“Science” Asserts vs Christian Asserts

“Science” Asserts vs Christian Asserts

The unthinking public believes whatever “science” propounds, and to spurn today what yesterday they worshipped, because the great god “Science” commands it. However, modern so-called science is directly opposed to fact and common sense.

Science Asserts:

1 The earth is a globe, the product of evolution.

2 Man is the highest species of evolution, from lower forms through incalculable periods of time.

3 The Sun and planets are superior to this Earth, which is as mere speck compared to the myriad (possibly inhabited) worlds around us.

4 The Moon is a reflector, and not a giver of light.

5 The stars are millions of times larger than the Earth.

6 All life having started by spontaneous generation, there is no room for God in Nature to create or direct its forces.

Christians Asserts:

1 The world is stretched out structure built on foundations, and the result of Special Divine Creation.

2 Man is the result of Special Creation and was made perfect at one time.

3 The Sun and stars are inferior to this (the only) world, which they were created to serve.

4 The Moon is self-luminous – a giver of light.

5 The stars are small objects. Some of them will at a future time fall upon this Earth, and it is manifestly impossible for bodies millions of times larger than the Earth to fall upon it.

6 All life was created by Divine Power and made perfect at the start, and that God creates and controls all the “forces of nature,” which without His sustaining hand would cease to be.

A slavish obedience to the popular thing is unworthy of any man; and if men are to free themselves of popular prejudice, it can only be by following a true free-thought method of learning.

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The Flat Earth: Above and Below

The Flat Earth: Above and Below

When we are told something with the word “above” or “below” we know the meaning of it. “The dishes are above the counter,” or “I put the books on the shelve under the nick knacks,” for example. But most of us don’t realize the importance of these simple words. To us flat earthers, “above” and “below” should have more importance.

If people believe what the astronomers tell us about space and the infinite suns and planets – there can be no “above, below, up, down.” We all know this – even globe earth believers. The reason is, (assuming space exists as we are told) that is no above, below as there is no base line. For how can one galaxy be above another if there is nothing to compare it with?

Now, let’s look at the earth. Regardless of beliefs, we all use the words: above, below, up, down. And we all know the meaning of these words. But when heliocentric believers use these words they use the words in how they perceive things; they can’t use it in the same sense as geocentric believers. They may think they do but they are wrong.

Here is an example of heliocentric believer’s use. If he was in Australia he would say, “Look at that blue bird above us.” But what would be above for the Aussies, would it be above for someone in Denmark, for example? No, as it would be in opposite directions. So, the word, “above” has no absolute meaning. This, includes the words: below, up, down.

Heliocentric believers would say, “This is how we use the words; it’s based on our perception. That’s the only way we can describe it.” Well, this may be true but what if there’s an absolute – where is there a base line in which we can use as a reference? Well, there is with a geocentric world. IF the world were really round, we would still use these words, as it’s the only way to communicate to others. But what I hope to show later is that with a flat earth, these words take on more of a meaning.

With the earth being flat – that means there is a line (though imaginary) where anything above it is “up” or “above,” or “down” and “below.” Thus, what is “above” for the Aussie, is “above” for the Dane, as well. In a geocentric world these words have truly become universal. In a heliocentric world, it’s a different direction for everyone.

It’s impossible to have a universal direction on a round planet. Look at the drawing as an example:

As you can see, the base line that can be used for a reference point does not exist on a planet. If you were standing in Australia, you “can imagine” a straight line or surface you are standing on but if you draw that out, it would not be the same for everyone in the world. In fact, it won’t be the same for someone in your own country. A person 100 miles away, his angel will be slightly different. Compare this to someone in Denmark, for example, the degrees out of alignment from the guy in Australia is really off.

Heaven Above

For Christians, we have read verses of with the words “heaven” and “above” in them. Here is an example:

(Gen 49:25) Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

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The Great Falling Away

The Great Falling Away

by Rob Skiba

How Christians are being deceived, which includes: evolution, aliens and multi-universe.

 

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Flat Earth Image Wrong

Flat Earth Image Wrong

In the above is this image of the flat earth. This is wrong, of course, and it’s typical that the news media deliberately makes it wrong. Let’s look at the computer generated image carefully.

Firstly, we see the earth floating in space with the stars all around it. This is not how flat earthers see it. There is a firmament (dome) surrounding earth and the stars are going in a circuit right above it. This is what makes idiots like Elon Musk say, “Why isn’t there a flat Mars Society?”

Secondly, we do not see the Antarctic surrounding the Earth. This leaves the impression (done on purpose) that the water will fall off – thus, giving globe earthers something to laugh at flat earthers about. In order for them to laugh at us, they have to lie first, as in this case.

Thirdly, we can see North America but only the very north of South America. There, obviously not enough room for the whole of South America. What is more glaring is that there is no room for the rest of the continents of the world. Where did they go? Very sloppy work by whoever did it. But it was probably done on purpose to make us look foolish. This is just proof of fake news!

Fourthly, America is positioned in the centre of the disk, that would mean that the North Pole is in America!

I recently heard someone named Dave Hodges say that the End Game is that the Elite has a plan already in effect, that for those who are not taken in by all the other methods of control, they will make the news so confusing that people, will not be able to chose between right and wrong by having fake news.

Fake news is one way of controlling the people.

 

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Exposing Editorial Lie About Flat Earthers

Exposing Editorial Lies About Flat Earthers

Exposing editorial lies about flat earthers is not hhard to do. This one came from The Globe and Mail. And they are talking about the flat earth – what a joke! Of course, they would be biased! If they should ever believe in the flat earth, they would have to change their name, get it registered, change their logo, and let their customers know – which all leads to a pain in the neck for them.

Their comments are in italics.

A funny thing happened on the way to the 21st century: Even as old conspiracy theories were growing more implausible, they also became more popular.

Right off the bat, it sounds like Cory Doctorow is talking is circles. If something is ‘growing more implausible’ how can it become ‘more popular’? It’s a contradiction!

Take the Flat Earth: Never before in human history have more people seen the Earth’s curvature with their own eyes.

This is an outright lie! If he is referring to people were passengers in planes – they do NOT see the curvature. I never saw the curvature of the earth flying in a plane, have you? Now, if Doctorow is talking about pictures – yes, there are many fake pictures of the round earth or seeing a curvature of it. I guess this guy hopes that virtual reality will take over reality when people form their beliefs. Unfortunately, for many people, it does. But if you are not a flat earther yet, just think of the times you looked out a plane window and saw a flat surface. Now, compare that with pictures you see on the web. Which one do you believe?

From climate denial to anti-vax to a resurgent eugenics movement, we are in a golden age of terrible conspiratorial thinking, with real consequences for our species’ continued survival on our (decidedly round) planet.

This is what we are, or should be. There are the so-called ‘Elites’ that want to destroy our race and if you are against it, you must be a conspiracy nut or a hater of some kind.

I think that this is the ‘golden age of conspiracies’ but why is it? Did we wish it upon ourselves? Or could it be that corporations and governments (read: capitalism and democracy) is trying to control us and kill us? They do this while making as much monkey as they can in the process, and in order to do that, they have to keep secrets among themselves – that means, by definition A CONSPIRACY. They have to create conspiracies least the people wake up?

Think of the vaccines that is being pushed on us, do you think that the pharmaceutical companies will tell us that it causes autism and neurological problems? Of course not. So in order to continue, they have to keep this from the public. This is known as a conspiracy – which has to be exposed.

When the public has to be won over to be against guns, a mass shooting has to occur. If this is not possible, a fake shooting has to happen, i.e., Sandy Hook. Crises actors are used, certain people in the police, the FBI and Homeland Security is used and told to keep their mouths shut. When just a group of people know something and it’s deliberately keep from the public, it’s call a conspiracy. With thousands of things going today, the government and certain rich people have to have a conspiracy for each one. There are more conspiracies than ever before because it’s the result of evil people and NOT those who are uncovering them.

Ideas spread because of some mix of ideology and material circumstances. Either ideas are convincingly argued and/or they are delivered to people whose circumstances make them susceptible to those ideas.

Why are there mixed ideologies? Because not everyone believes what they are told. For Truth Seekers like us, we naturally have a different ideology than the Edomites. When one group worships the devil, or whomever, and you have others that worship the God of the Bible, you’ll going to have mixed ideologies. Big corporations would like us all to have one ideology and don’t dare think of another. This sounds more like Communism to me!

Conspiracies aren’t on the rise because the arguments for them got better.

Another lie – our arguments are better. How? Simple because they will not debate us; they use the excuse that ‘they don’t want to lower themselves.’ This is a lie. After all, if we have bad arguments it’ll be easy for them to tell the world that we are wrong. But they often turn down offers on debates because other that went before them looked foolish. So, the best thing that they can do is ignore us.

The arguments for “alternative medicine” or against accepted climate science are no better than those that have lurked in the fringes for generations.

We have very good arguments for alternative medicine. All they have to do is look at their own medical journal where it was admitted back in 1999, I think it was, that about 200,000 died each year in the US by taking prescribe medication. Whereas, for example, in 2017 NOT ONE person died by taking vitamins!

Look up the 19th-century skeptics who decried the smallpox vaccine and you’ll find that anti-vax arguments have progressed very little in more than a century.

Yes, there were smart people back then. In fact, you can find old books that exposed vaccinations. The fact is, that those who get smallpox are those who get vaccination. When a certain disease, such as polio, could not be contained with all kids getting vaccinations back in the 1950s and 60s, they changed the name of the disease – to make it look like they eradicated the disease. ( Click Here for alternative health information which includes vaccinations.)

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Flat Earth In The News, 28 September, 2019

Flat Earth In The News, 28 September, 2019

Retired Champion Boxer Carl Froch Claims The Earth Is Flat

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Limerick Astronomy Column: More on the flat earth conspiracy

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They Really Hate Us

One sick Google write up from a website has the caption, “And if your response to that is “climate change is a hoax” then you can f*** off to the flat Earth with your un-vaccinated kids and wait for the aliens to…

This came from a site called KnowTechie. One thing that they are right in is that they are putting us on the right side with people who know climate change is a hoax and vaccines are dangerous for people. But they hate us so much that they have to curse when using the words “flat Earth.” All I can say to them is, get vaccinated and pay the extra taxes that’ll come with climate change and take a bicycle to work – they deserve what they get.

Another site had this in their news caption as it appears in Google, “The only thing worse than raisinng a climate-change denier is raising a flat-earther.” This shows that some people are really scared of us. This is good as we are changing the world. This is from honey.nine.com.au – a real Leftist publication.

When you look at what groups the media connects us with, I hope that you really know the issues involved. In other words, if you believe that vaccinations are good for you, then do some research. Once you do, you’ll be against vaccinations, too. If you believe in global warming, I understand, but do your research from an unbiased source, think about it, and you’ll come to the conclusion that global warming is another lie that is being pushed on us. Then you’ll see that all the things that are “politically incorrect” is something that we should be for. That is one thing that the lying media has right, or mostly right, is that they do tie us up with the right conspiracies, as that is what it is – a conspiracy against God’s people.

The reason why I have other conspiracy topics and why some other flat earth sites have this, too, is that we are group together with others. If you are new to the flat earth, you may not know the other conspiracies that are tied to flat earthers.

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Who Was Ptolemy?

Who Was Ptolemy?

Patrick Moore, 1972

As I write these words, I am sitting in my quiet study in Sussex, England, looking out over the rose-garden towards the belt of trees which shields us from the sea. There is the gentle breeze so familiar in Selsey, but nothing more. Yet it has been claimed that if the Earth were spinning round, as conventional scientists claim, there would be a howling gale all the time.

To see just how this theory works, we must go back almost two thousand years – in fact to the second century A.D., when the most famous scientist in the world was Claudius Ptolemaus, better known as Ptolemy. We know very little about his life, except that he flourished from around A.D. 120 to 180; that he lived in Alexandria, and that he belonged to the Greek school of thought. I-le was an expert astronomer and mathematician, and also a geographer; his map of the known world was remarkably good, even though he did join Scotland on to England in a sort of back-to-front position. Also, he wrote books. Much of our knowledge of ancient science is due to him, because, by a miracle, his books have come down to us – even though only by way of their Arab translations
(Ironically, it seems that the great Alexandrian Library, which contained priceless books dating from the very early days, was destroyed during the time of Arab supremacy. There is a legend that they were deliberately burned by order of the Caliph – because if they contradicted the Koran they were heretical, while if they agreed with it they were superfluous. The story is decidedly dubious, and it may well be that the Library was gradually dissipated by neglect. However, the end result was the same: all the books were lost.)

A few earlier Greeks, such as Aristarchus of Samos, had taught that the Earth is a planet moving round the Sun, and that it rotates on its axis. Ptolemy could not bring himself to accept this secondary role for the Earth, even though he was quite prepared to believe that the world is a globe. His reason was quite straightforward. If the Earth is whirling round, and the atmosphere is not whirling with it, the result will be constant, violent wind – just as you can experience today if you stand up in an open car which is traveling along the motorway at 60 m.p.h..

For many years I was naive enough to believe that this idea had died a natural death, and it was with some surprise that in 1957 I read some words in a book called Looking at the Stars, written by a professional astronomer – Dr Michael W. Ovenden, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society. Dr Ovenden Was discussing the craters of the Moon, and pointed out that no craters of the same kind are likely on our own world, because ‘any large lunar-type crams en Earth would in a few million years be rubbed away by friction with the atmosphere as the Earth rotates underneath it. It is an intriguing idea. Somehow, however, the murmuring breeze now passing through my rose garden leads me to believe that both Ptolemy and Dr Ovenden were wrong.

The moving Earth has also come under fire from other researchers. Again I quote Miss Missen – without apology, because her views are so striking. In The Sun Goes Round The Earth, she wrote:
‘If the Earth did move at a tremendous speed, how could we keep a grip on it with our feet? We could walk only very, very slowly; and should find it slipping rapidly under our footsteps. Then, which way is it turning? If we walked in the direction of its tremendous speed, it would push us on terribly rapidly. But if we tried to walk against its revolving-? Either way we should be terribly giddy, and our digestive processes impossible.’

Equally forthright was Mme. Gabrielle Henriet, whose book Heaven and Earth, published in 1957, is a masterpiece of Independent Thought. I shall return to some of her theories later – notably her revelation that the sky is solid – but for the moment it will be enough to give her disproof of the rotation of the world. She begins by pointing out that the rate of spin given by astronomers is1000 kilometres per hour. Modern aircraft can attain this speed: but ‘an aircraft flying at this rate in the same direction as that of the rotation could not cover any ground at all. It would remain suspended in mid-air over the spot from which it took off, since both speeds are equal. There would, in addition, be no need to fly from one place to another situated on the same latitude. The aircraft could just rise and wait for the desired country to arrive in the ordinary course of the rotation, and then land; although it is difficult to see how any plane could manage to touch ground at all on an airfield which is slipping away at the rate of 1,000 kilometres per hour. It might certainly be useful to know what people who fly think of the rotation of the Earth.’

Speaking as an ex-Bomber Command flyer – 1940-45, practically in the Stone Age of aviation – I can only admit that I am speechless; but even if I cannot agree with Mme. Henriet, I have tremendous admiration for her ingenuity. In a British television programme called ‘One Pair of Eyes’, I was very anxious for her to join me; and she declined only on the grounds that if she faced a TV camera, her false teeth would fall out. I would be the last to deny this possibility (in fact, nothing appeared to be more probable), but I was very sorry about it.

Mr John Bradbury also believes in the non-rotation of the Earth, and has put forward his theories on the radio, on television and in lectures to Universities. However, his view of the universe as a whole is so remarkable, and so interesting, that it deserves a separate chapter, and 1 propose to defer discussion of it for the moment.

Before passing on, I must pause to give another way of proving that the Earth is motionless. It was outlined at a meeting of the Flat Earth Society some years ago, and it is pleasingly direct. Go out at night-time, point your camera at the stars, and make a time-exposure for, say, a quarter of an hour. When you develop the plate or film, you will see numerous star trails. These trails mill be hard, sharp lines. But if the Earth were moving, the trails would be blurred. Just you try taking a time-exposure out of the window of a moving railway-carriage!

When this idea was explained, I did tentatively suggest that the trails might be due to the actual rotation of the Earth and not to the individual movements of the stars. Naturally, this objection was brushed aside with the contempt that it deserved. And to return to Mme. Henriet, it is maintained in her book that the changing seasons cannot be due to the tilt of the Earth’s axis, as astronomers say. If the axis pointed me way in summer and the opposite way in winter (see diagram), then very tall buildings, such as the Eiffel Tower, would sway drunkenly from side to side . . .

P-11 the Independent Thinkers so bar mentioned are sober researchers, concerned only with prescience. When we come on to the flat Earth theory as a whole, it is true that we do tend to touch upon the realm of religion, and some Flat Earthers are also Biblical Fundamentalists. However, speaking as an aspiring scientist, I do not propose to discuss the religious aspect here. I must gloss over the comment that it would be impossible for four angels to stand at the corners of the Earth, as stated in the Bible, unless the world were square or at least rectangular.

In fact, the ancient Egyptians did believe in a universe which took the form of a rectangular box, with the longer sides running north-south, and with a flat ceiling, supported by pillars at the cardinal points. The pillars were joined by a chain of mountains, and below the crests of the peaks lay a ledge containing the celestial river Ur-nes. The boats carrying the Sun and other gods sailed along this river. When a boat came to a corner, it described a graceful right-angle and continued blithely on its way. Combined with these strictly scientific ideas were various religious ones; in some parts of the Nile Delta it was thought that the heavens were formed by the body of a goddess whose name was, appropriately, Nut, and who was suspended permanently in what must have been an uncomfortable as well as an inelegant position. Egypt lay in the centre of the flat Earth, and is surrounded on all sides by a boundless ocean.

It is tempting to dwell upon these old theories. I also like that of Vedic lore, in which the centre of the Earth was marked by a tall mountain, around which moved the celestial bodies in horizontal paths at different heights; the sky was, of course, solid (shades of Mme Henriet). Other Indian thinkers believed the Earth to be carried on the shoulders of elephants, which were in their turn supported on the shell of a huge turtle swimming in the sea. I would feel rather sorry for the turtle, and it is hard to avoid the conclusion that it would end up by being turned into some kind of turtle soup; but it is time to come back to the present century, and to consider one of the most interesting and long-established societies of Independent Thought – the International Flat Earth Society.
It has been in existence for a long time, with its headquarters in Britain; but a few decades ago the kernel of fiat-Earth belief was Zion, Illinois, where Wilbur Glenn Voliva ruled his community with an iron hand. He believed the world to be shaped like a pancake, with the North Pole in the middle and a wall of ice all round. There is no South Pole, but fortunately the icy barrier prevents shins from sailing over the edge and tumbling into Hades – below which, incidentally, is a bargain basement area inhabited by the spirits of a race of men who used to live on Earth before the arrival of Adam and Eve.

I never met Wilbur, who died in 1942; but I did know Samuel Shenton, who may be described as the Isaac Newton of Flatearthologv. He joined me m the British television programme ‘One Pair of Eyes’, and his death, early in 1971, was a sad moment. By profession, he was a sign-writer; but his theories made him world-famous, and he was even referred to in a broadcast made by Colonel Frank Borman from the Apollo space-craft during the lunar flight of Christmas 1968. He was utterly sincere and completely dedicated. Developments such as artificial satellites and journeys to the moon caused him no more than a few moments’ misgiving before he was himself again. His great regret was that he had so few followers. As the organizer of I.F.E.S., he did not spare himself – and he continued his crusade in spite of indifferent health; he was by no means an old man at the time of his death. From his home in Dover he continued to write, to lecture, and to make occasional appearances on television. Before going any further, let me give the official I.F.E.S. answers to just a few of the questions which spring automatically to the mind. First, just how can one prove, by everyday observation, that the Earth is a globe? Let us try.

Questioner. How do you explain the fact that if you watch a ship sailing over the horizon, you will see the hull vanish first, followed by the funnels and finally the smoke (if any)?
Flat Earther. Have you ever actually seen this happen?

(Collapse of questioner, who, in 99 cases out of a hundred, hasn’t. But let us assume that he is the hundredth case.)

Questioner. Well, yes, I have, actually. How do you explain it?

Flat Earther. By the refraction of light. If you watch the phenomenon several times, sooner or later you will see the entire ship apparently suspended in the air above the horizon – and I imagine you don’t believe in anti-gravity?

(This is a completely irrefutable argument, and the questioner has no choice but to start bowling on an entirely different wicket.)

Questioner. Aircraft can circumnavigate the Earth. Fly east – – or west – and eventually you will come back to your starting point. This couldn’t happen with a flat world.

Flat Earther. Of course it could. The Earth is shaped like a gramophone record, and all you have done is to complete a circuit round the central North Pole.

Questioner. Well, then, try going due south. On your theory, you would go over the edge.
Flat Earther. But no. One cannot go over the edge, because there is a wall of ice in the way.

Questioner. The compass direction-
Flat Earther. You’re falling into the elementary trap of supposing that a compass needle always points north. This is not me. Near the periphery of the biscuit-shaped Earth, all compass directions are distorted, and this is why some explorers have deluded themselves into believing in a South Pole.

Questioner. (after a baffled pause). Look, men have been in space, and have seen the Earth as a globe. They have even produced photographs.

Flat Earther. Nobody has ever seen the Earth as a sphere; all that the spacemen have been able to do is to see wider areas of the world at any one time, which is quite understandable. I believe you also consider the Moon to be a globe – but if you care to look at it this evening, you will see that it appears as a flat disk.

Questioner. That doesn’t explain the photographs.

Flat Earther. Fakes, produced by reactionary scientists in order to conceal the truth about the shape of the Earth.

At this point the questioner usually gives up and suggests adjourning to the nearest hostelry, where he will restore his shattered morale by drinking several stiff whiskies. There are, in fact, only two points upon which the Flat Earther cannot sound convincing. One is his inevitably evasive reply to questions about what the underside of the Earth is like, and what lies below that. The other is his contention that orthodox authorities are indulging in a campaign of suppression. Let me add that not all Fiat Earthers think this; but one has to admit that even some of the most charming and patient Independent

Thinkers have inner feelings that they are being ‘got at’.

Following a period of comparative inactivity, the British branch of the I.F.E.S. was revived in 1956, with a good deal of publicity. I reproduce here its official leaflet. (‘Secretary’, on the penultimate line, is presumably a misprint; the 1 should be a full-stop.) One November 23rd a meeting held in Finsbury Park at the home of the President, Mr W. Mills, put the Society back on a really firm footing. Various abstruse papers were given; one, by Mr Shenton himself, dealt with aerodynamical problems, and was greeted with great respect. Mr Shenton pointed out that if gravity ended at a height of nine miles, as some scientists had maintained, then a parachutist coming down from a great height would miss the Earth altogether. Where he would go then remained something of a mystery.

I left the meeting in a mood of deep thought. Less than a year later – to be precise, on October 4th, 1957 – the Space Age started, not with a whimper, bt with a very decided bang.

THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY
President : Organizing Secretary :
W. MILLS, S. SHENTON,
7 Vale Grove, 22 London Road,
Finsbury Park, N.4. Dover.

The International Flat Earth Society has been established to prove by sound reasoning and factual evidence that the present accepted theory, that the Earth is a globe spinning an its axis every 24 hours and at the same time describing an orbit round the Sun at a speed of 66,000 m.p.h., is contrary to all experience and to sound common sense.

In ancient times the Earth was regarded as plane, and this is expressed in all literature up to a few hundreds of years ago. The theory has fallen into disfavour, owing mainly to the dogma of modem science and popular education in schools, which leads to prejudice in favour of the globular theory from the start.

It is always a pity to allow false theories to pass unchallenged, and it is hoped that the Flat Earth Society will do much to undo the ham that has been caused. Remember that the truth of the plane figure of the Earth can be shown by irrefutable evidence, and anyone who is interested in becoming a member is asked to contact the President or the Organising Secretary1 In future, it is hoped to hold regular meetings of the Society.

December 20th, 1956

Sputnik I soared aloft from its launching base in the Soviet Union, and sped round the Earth, sending back its famous ‘Bleep! Bleep!’ signals, and decisively putting paid to a suggestion made not long before that the whole concept of space travel was utter bilge. This is not the place to discuss the wider implications of the Russian satellite. But what of its effect upon the Flat Earthers?
For a few brief days they were disconcerted – but, fortunately, not for long. A calm statement from the Society pointed out that the mere fact of a satellite moving above us did not show the world to be round. It could equally well be the more plausible flat disk, and the satellite would move in much the same way as the Moon, though at a lower level. This satisfied the dedicated enthusiasts. On the other hand, it does seem that the advent of the satellites was probably the main factor in preventing the Society from mushrooming as its organizers had hoped it would do. It is very greatly to their credit that they did not give up. They continued writing lecturing and arguing persuasively. They convinced a few people, but as the years went by, and the first tiny satellites were superseded by
massive rocket probes to the Moon and beyond, even Mr Shenton had to admit that the wicket had become very sticky indeed.

This was the situation in late 1968, when Apollo 8, carrying Astronauts Borman, Lovell and Anders, departed on the first voyage round the Moon. It is a tribute to the esteem in which Mr Shenton was held that Colonel Borman actually referred to him in a broadcast made from the space-ship while it was between the Earth and the Moon. Not, of course, that Colonel Borman believed the world to be flat; it would have been rather difficult for him to do so, particularly at that moment!

A few months later Mr Shenton joined me for a television discussion. It was, in fact, the last time I met him; and the views he expressed then must be regarded as his final word on the subject, because he did very little further lecturing or writing (mainly because of ill-health). So let us summarize what he laid down, eloquently and with total sincerity.

Originally the Earth was heaved up out of the waters. The North Pole marks the central point; the 60,000-mile periphery, coated with a vast barrier of ice, is what we conventionally call the South Pole. It is this barrier which confines us to the Earth and stops us from being in any danger of falling off. What lies on the underneath of the flat Earth remains mysterious, but there is no reason to doubt that it is highly complicated; it is impossible for us to compute the full extent of the Earth, because we can examine only that part of it which is surrounded by the wall of ice. The Earth may even be infinite, stretching out indefinitely. The Moon is a very small body, moving in an east to west direction; each night it sets later by 28 minutes or thereabouts, so that it shows us different aspects, and produces what astronomers call the phases, from new to full. The Sun is larger, with a diameter of about 32 miles. The Sun’s distance is less than 3,000 miles, as is shown by experiments carried out in South America. In parts of this continent, the true latitude lines show that there is a point at which latitude 45 degrees crosses the equator. (I admit to finding this argument a little hard to follow, but all I can do is to explain what Mr Shenton explained to me.) From here you can get a triangulation to the conventional equator, 3,000 miles away. If the Sun is overhead at this moment, then the optical distance must be equal to the distance of the baseline upwards: that is to say, 3,000 miles.

As for the astronauts . . . well, they simply went out in an egg-shaped orbit, and the photographs they brought back were distorted due to the angle from which they mere taken. The remaining photographs were subsequently faked by unscrupulous propagandists to disprove the true theory that the Earth is a flat plane.

And finally: the entire universe consists of the Earth. Certainly we lie on a great water base; the water seeps right through the Earth’s disk, producing our present oceans and springs. With regard to greater distances, it is hard to speculate. There may well be a series or a stream of ‘heavens’, made up of enclosed spaces and perhaps even inhabited.

What can one say? Mr Shenton’s ideas were not the same as those of the Flat Earthers of the early twentieth century – headed by Lady Blount, wife of Sir Walter de Sodrington

Blount, who described herself as a mathematician, astronomer and lecturer as well as an explorer, and who believed the world to be flat and of strictly limited extent. However, both treated the conventional globe theory with contempt; both built up organizations to spread their theories; and it may be that in each case the empire was dependent upon its leader. I asked Mr Shenton about the future of the Flat Earth Society, and he was decidedly pessimistic. ‘It will die,’ he said, ‘just as at the turn of the century the great organization set up by Lady Blount died. This is deliberate suppression on the part of orthodox scientists.’

And yet – I wonder!

At the moment it would be idle to deny that the International Flat Earth Society is going through one of its leanest periods. It has very few members, no organization, and no leader to match Lady Blount, Wilbur Glenn Voliva, or Samuel Shenton. But somehow I have the feeling that it may survive, just as astrology has done; and frankly I hope it does. Those who believe the world to be shaped like a pancake are among the most attractive of the really Independent Thinkers.

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Truth Is “Hate Crime”

Truth Is “Hate Crime”

Will the belief in the flat earth one day be classified as a ‘hate crime’? We already have other labels that we are called such as ‘conspiracy nuts, idiots,’ etc.

“Hate Crime” is a new name for an old game.

The first thing that comes to our mind is the suppression of the flat earth – which is suppression of the truth. The object of the game is to stop all investigation and reporting of real hate crimes, and to prevent the exposure of the criminals behind them.

The “Hate Crime” game as actually played is a “Hate Truth” game. It’s the Orwellian “doublespeak” in practice. It’s Nietzsche’s “transvaluation of values”. It’s Einstein’s “relativity”. It’s Dewey’s “new logic”. And, behind all this, it is Satan’s “angel of light deception” (II Cor. 11:13-15)

“Truth”, in this game, is the thing that is really hated. The enemy in the game–“The Truth seeker”–must be thwarted, slandered, libelled, and eradicated. All values and Truths must be perverted and made “relative” and everyone must become “tolerant” of the perversions. “Absolute Truths” are the most hateful of all to the lovers of lies who devote themselves to this game. They declare in every university classroom: There is no such thing as “Absolute Truth”! (And that’s the absolute truth….)

So, at bottom, the suppression and elimination of certain powerful Truths is what “Hate Crime” laws are all about. If these few loaded Truths were to get out of the bag worldwide, the whole game of defeating Truth would be over and the real criminals would be exposed. Thus, suppression and elimination–and spreading endless lies and confusion about what Truth is–are priorities for the real criminals. They must never relax their vigil, and they must be ever active with “democratic” sounding strategies that will protect “the evil they call `good’” (Is. 5:20).

Thus, oozing “tolerance” and “altruism” at first, of course, the scope of “Hate Crime Laws” steadily broadens. Increasingly stiff fines and prison sentences are pronounced on those known to be “politically incorrect” or even guilty of “thought crimes”. Lenin and Stalin instituted Hate Crime laws early on in the officially atheistic Soviet Union…one of the first being to outlaw any anti-Jewish speech or writings. Many countries are moving steadily toward following the Soviet Communist pattern by enacting similar laws today. In the USA there is an unmistakable crescendo from the Jewish controlled ADL, WJC, ACLU, etc., for the passage of ever more broad and harsh Hate Crime laws with the same goals.

World Court under One World Government

The mechanism for implementing Hate Crime laws is, of course, the courts. With a One World Government about to become reality, there will need to be a World Court. This Court–without jury, bail, or appeal–will see to it that Draconian Hate Crime laws are instituted which mandate slavery and death to all who dare challenge them. The law then will be: If you hate lies (i.e., what the Government’s Court [and rubber-stamp legislature] says is true), you are guilty. Period.

That the Bible speaks specifically about the coming of just such a Satan- worshiping One World Order, any who will look can readily confirm (Rev. 13:4; 17:12-14-18; etc.).

The fact that this utter Babylonian Confusion about Truth & Lies which surrounds us today was foretold in the Bible over 1900 years ago is surpassingly interesting, most would admit. And the Biblical assertion that this prophesied One World Government will only be allowed by God to operate “one hour” (Rev. 17:12) before the confusion is ended and Babylon Falls is also quite interesting. Both developments are there to read (Rev. 17:14-17; 18:2, 7, 8, 10, 17, 19; 14:6, 7, 8, etc.).

Blame for Triumph of Lies Falls on Churches

The same Bible telling of a OWG also tells everybody that God’s Judgment upon the apparent triumph of evil in end time events will begin at the Christian Churches (I Pet. 4:17,18)! That’s right; the churches! God holds the churches responsible for letting the plain Truths of His Word be corrupted and maligned and discarded. HE says in those verses that the churches are full of “disobedient, ungodly sinners” and that even “the righteous at the house of God will SCARCELY be saved”!

That’s strong stuff!

Why so strong??

Simple: It is the churches–both Catholic and Protestant et al–that have permitted and embraced and spread wholesale corruption of Bible teachings, including that of the flat earth. It is the churches that have allowed and furthered the decline of Bible credibility to the point that “Post Christian Era” is a common label given by modern historians to these days in which we live.

None of this decline affects the in-errancy of the Bible, however, nor the precise fulfillment of what is written about the end of this earth’s history. As God has said: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matt.24:35). Believe it. And again: “…my word shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it” (Is.55:11). You can believe that too….

It ain’t over until that corpulent diva sings, someone said. But listen closely…you can hear her gargling Listerine just offstage right now….

So, those of you who count yourself among the “scarcely saved” in the churches, take note that you are on thin ice, that indeed you are in Babylon, too (Rev. 18:4), and you must come out if you plan to be on God’s side when the lies hit the fan! Get ready to accept the fact that much of what you have been taught is not what the Bible says. No matter how locked into this church doctrine or that one you may be; if it demonstrably contradicts Scripture, it is a work of the Devil and God has said that all those works will be revealed and overcome by Jesus, the Lamb of God. (I Jn. 3:8; Rev.17:14)

There are several Bible-bashing teachings that the churches could have challenged and defeated over the centuries. Rather, whether unwittingly or intentionally, God knows (I Tim.1:13; II Cor.11:13-15), many false teachers have been allowed to embrace and spread false doctrines until the Word has lost virtually all credibility as the one and only source of Absolute Truth. This pattern is just as evident even in supposedly Bible honouring churches.

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Christians Who Pick and Choose From The Bible

Christians Who Pick and Choose From The Bible

Continuing from the previous article where it centred on a flat earther radio guest, there are many other Christians who pick and choose from the Bible. As we discovered the flat earth for ourselves, we had learned that there are many verses in the Bible where God talks about the Sun moving, the Moon having its own light and the stationary Earth. They were there all along but we had missed them – at least I did and I’m sure many others did to.

Now, how many other biblical topics have we missed that are staring us right in the face?

We all know that there are people who want to control what we think and how we act. We know how evil these people are so it should not come as a surprise that there are many other important topics that are covered up that the Bible talks about.

If your first discovery of conspiracies and the New World Order came as a result of learning about the flat earth, there is a lot more to learn. If you already knew about the lies the government and media has told us before you discovered the flat earth – there could me much more to learn.

The people who control us not only controls the media, the government and the educational system – they also control the churches. This did not start in the past 20 years but has been going on for hundreds of years. Just look at the different versions of the Bible they have. Why do you think they have it? To make it easier to read? Hardly, looking at the King James version we know most of the words it contains – anything new we learn, just like you’d learn words as you grow up. The reason for other versions is to ‘control the narrative.’

Why do you think that the Catholic church hundreds of years ago didn’t want the people to have their own Bible? It took people like Martin Luther to get the Bible in the hands of the people. Now that the churches could stop this, they had to think of something else.

What do churches do today (including Protestant churches)? They do the following:

  • quote very little Scripture
  • quote verses out of context
  • ignore other verses
  • ignore the original Hebrew and Greek meaning of the word

…and if all this fails, they would call you a “hater, racist, xenophobic,” etc. if you believe otherwise. If you persist, the pastor would follow up by excommunicating you from the church. Remember what the Apostle Paul said, “to prove all things.”

Going to any church you’d like, whether it be Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc., what you hear week after week, month after month is the same narrow topic – “God is love, love is God, Christ loves everyone,” etc.

Christianity today does not offend anyone. The reason why is that it’s water downed and changed to do so. You can go out on the street and talk to anyone of another religion or to an atheist and not offend them.

Think of the time that Christ preached, think of the times of the Prophets of old preached – there were many people that they offended. These heathens were so offended that they killed the Prophets of old and, later, Christ and the Apostles; it has continued up to today. This should tell you that there is something wrong with the sermons you hear today.

Now, this short article will not go into the other cover-ups in the Bible as it would require many books to do so. You have to take this one step at a time and a good place to start is, to watch the videos posted in our Bible section that you see at the top of this blog page.

Take your time and listen to one video then pray on what you heard and ask for guidance from God if what you heard is true. Then watch other videos as time allows. What you’ll hear is not taught in churches and it’s definitely not what the NWO wants you to know. I’m sure that within a short time you’ll learn why the government doesn’t want you to know about these other Bible truths.

Each week there is another Bible sermon posted in the ‘Bible’ section of the blog. I encourage you to check them out.

While Rob Skiba, a good flat earther and Christian, talks about the giants in the Bible, there is much more that is cover up than that. Giants are the least of our worries today; this is not the most important subject that should be covered. What is more important is to know who are enemies are and the laws that we should live by. When Christians know and PRACTICE this, our lives on this flat earth will be much, much better.

Learning about the flat earth and why it has been covered up is just the beginning. You have a long journey ahead of other Truths – both biblical and non-biblical – to learn about.

God Bless you on your journey to knowing the truth.

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A Flat Earther Picks And Choose What He Wants From The Bible

A Flat Earther Picks And Choose What He Wants From The Bible

I heard Jaranism talk about that he believes in Christ and that He resurrected but he doesn’t believe in everything in the Bible. He especially has problems with the Old Testament. For example, he believes that Christ died on the cross but not in the the dividing up of His robe. Jaranism believes the Hebrews were in Egypt but he believes that it was wrong of God to kill the children who did not have the blood of the lamb on the doors. This, he thought, was cruel and for this reason he would not worship a God that does that.

He goes on to say, in an interview with Rob Skiba, that when the Israelites were told to kill everyone of a certain tribe, that would not worship someone like this. But also said, “Why didn’t God just make them disappear instead of killing them; that would not be cruel.”

Well, here we have a person who is a flat earther but also considers himself a Christian. Well, you can’t be a Christian with beliefs like that! He might produce good videos on the flat earth but don’t take his word for anything that comes from the Bible. You’d be better off doing your own research!

So, what Jaranism does is, he picks and chooses what he personally like in the Bible. He thinks that his morality is better than God’s. He’s not alone, unfortunately, as there are millions of others that are like that and that is why millions are not Christian.

Side Note: Jaranism has good flat earth videos, so I will use them from time-to-time in future posts, so kindly keep that in mind.

As a flat earther, he believes in the Bible where it talks about the Sun moving, the Moon having its own light and the Earth stationary but that is because it fits in with his own personal construct. So, why he doesn’t believe in the other parts of the Bible?

Jaranism said in the radio interview that God is not worthy of his worship. This is blasphemy if there ever was one! He should start seeing the videos posted in the “Bible” tab of this blog and start learning.

When you see that “your morality” is different than God’s don’t make yourself as god or think that you are smarter than your Creator. Accept what He said on belief – there is a reason even if you think that it’s cruel. Could it just be that Yahweh know a lot more than you do!

Let’s take the Commandments of what we should eat and what we shouldn’t. Now, you may think that, “Eating pork taste so good, I don’t care what God says.” Well, the debate is not if it tastes good or not. The fact is that we should believe AND follow His Commandment and not eat pig products (“pork products” is just a euphemism for swine or pig). If you lived 3,500 years ago and you believed on faith that you should not eat pig products, you would be healthier than those who did not do what they were told. You see, if God said to the ancient Israelites not to eat pig because of trichinosis, parasites and some other high-sounding words, the people would say, “Huh?” It was beyond the people’s understanding at that time and it remained so for thousands of years later.

Now, if you believe on faith and you lived during the time that it was first discovered scientifically that eating pig products is dangerous, your faith would have turned into knowledge.

With other things that Yahweh, God, told the Israelites of killing all the Canaanite, men, women and children, there was a reason for this. God does not care what 21st century man thinks, He does not care if He is “politically incorrect”, or a “racist” or other cheap labels. God stands for the truth. And by the Israelites not doing this, it cause the death of their own people and has continued down to this day.

To make them “disappear” as Jaranism in his “wise wisdom” (being sarcastic here) wants, is not the way of Creation. When Christians say, “It’s cruel for God to do this.” Where did they get this “morality”? They learned it from the antichrists who owns the media and runs the government – that is who! This was not learned from the the Bible, where all our morality should come from.

God said as high as the heaven are above the Earth, so are His ways over man’s. That means that there are things that we just don’t understand but knowing the “science” behind something is not the point – just doing what we are told is the important point! If mankind had followed God’s Laws, Statues and Judgments in the past 100 years, for example, we would not have such “bleeding heart” mentality that we see today; people would not think that they are smarter than God!

Jaranism and millions of other people can’t see the love that God really has – all because of the so-called “morality” that has been programmed into them. Jaranism believes the propaganda that has been pumped into us to believe in the spinning globe earth and other lies, so the same thing is true of getting us to believe “we must not hurt anyone regardless of what they do to us.”

Say you’ve seen some invaders coming into your country, it’s really a war, and you shot them; killed some wounded others and the others fled. You would be called all kinds of names and sent to prison. But the invades stop coming for whatever reason. Well, God knows what these invaders would have done – killed, robbed and raped. And that what you had done saved many more lives, INNOCENT LIVES, than what was killed.

Now, this even didn’t happen, however at the same time, God does not put you in a “time machine” let you live through this killing by the invaders; sees your children being murdered and puts you back in the “time machine” with your still remembering the future, all so you can say, “Thank God that someone stopped those bloody invaders.” That is not how God works – He doesn’t put you through a “time machine” and brings you back again. You have to believe that God knows the beginning from the end and when He tells us to do something it’s for our own good.

Life is not like this, it’s not science fiction – where we zoom into the future and back again. But believing, trusting and obeying God is the way to go.

Jaranism and others like him say, “they don’t see the love in this.” Well, they are very short sighted and it’s because they are not really Christian. The love in the above example is, that when we follow God’s laws means He wants us to live; we are His children – not those who make a religion of hating Christ. If someone was to attack your little boy and you had the means to stop him but you didn’t because you might kill him or in the very least hurt him – that is NOT love, it’s HATRED. Love is when you protect your little boy against the attacker. So, this is another problem with people today – they really don’t know what love is and what hatred is. Our enemies have deliberately done this so we will think and act in the way that Jaranism does; to think and act contrary to what God wants us to.

The main aim of the antichrists is to destroy God’s children so as there will be no one for Christ to return to.

Follow God’s Laws and not man’s laws!

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