Flat Earth Critic From A Fellow Christian

Flat Earth Critic From A Fellow Christian

I just came across a sermon by a Christian Identity pastor by the name of Jeromy John Visser who attacks flat earth believers. His attack is pretty poor and much like those who are not Christian. The flat earth topic is mixed in with several other topics that are not even related, which I don”t understand.

Below is the link to the video if you want to hear it. However, I would like to make some comments on this malicious attack of Christians who also believe in the flat earth.

Visser paraphrases the Bible and says that: ‘that God sits on the sphere or circle of the earth.’ His first mistake is that the Bible does not use the word ‘sphere’, unless he is using one of those modern-day Bibles created by non-Christians in order to prove their interpretation, and not the KJV.

He also paraphrases the Bible and says that the world hangs on nothing. Now, this is true but he can’t get in his mind that you can have a flat earth and it hangs on nothing. This is what Yahweh, God said and I believe it; all flat earthers believe it. Otherwise you’d have to believe that it sits on some other land. But if that is the case, where does that sit on? – the back of a huge turtle? Lol.

The next claim is that some Rabbi Sodie invented the flat earth. Now, the flat earth might be mentioned in the Talmud but does that make it false? It might be mentioned in other health religions but because it has, does this alone make it false? The fact is, that these other people got the flat earth from Christians and if they put it in their writings is simply that they are copying what they heard. In regardless to the flat earth, they at least got that right.

Visser says ‘the truth movement is being inundated by idiots and deceivers’ – implying flat earthers. There is a lot of implications to flat earthers here and he gets quite mean. If he read other articles on this website – if he had been here – he would not use those words.

He also said ‘we must use sound doctrine’ and he quotes a verse – again implying that flat earthers doesn’t use sound doctrine. He should look to himself!

Another quote, ‘Anything that the Bible says trumps what man said and if the Bible says the earth is round it would trump what others say that is contrary.’ This is a typical critic’s argument – they imply what they say is the truth, so anything that is contrary is wrong. Sure, this is what the Bible says BUT when it’s used to support something that is not true, he hopes that the listener follows along.

All of the above is the first four minutes of the video. Now, it gets ludicrous – it’s funny. Jeromy Visser said, ‘I’ve been on planes flying to the Vatican and you can look out the window and see the earth is round.’ If this isn’t absurd, I don’t know what is! Lol. It’s also revealing and I’ll talk about that in a minute.

When you look out a window when you are flying, do you see a round earth? Do you see any curvature? I don’t. I see a flat horizon that goes up the the level of my eyes – which is one proof (of many) that the earth is flat. If we are on a globe that would not happen. Or, are they making windows with fish-eye lens! We know that they aren’t, at least at the writing.

I thought about what he said, and I’m glad that he said it as it reveals a previously unknown condition that the world is being subject to. I never read or heard anyone talking on this subject before, so I’ll do so.

If pastor Vissor is honest in what he said, and I’ve heard others say the same thing by critics of the flat earth, it reveals something very interesting. I had to create a new phrase for this and that is digital overlay If you fly once a year, for example, but during that year you see 1,000 images or CGI of a globe earth. Then when you fly, you look out the window. Then later, when you recall your trip and asked how it looked out the window, you would say the earth has a curve to it. Now, this is just a theory but it explains how some people can honestly think they saw something that they really didn’t. Because, back in their recollection is also the 1,000 images they had seen something that was created digitally and is overlaid on the real memory they had. Because, what they had seen on the evening news, for example, is much more often than their flight that happened a year ago. So, I call this, for a lack of any other word, digital overlay; I’ll trade mark that, too: digital overlay TM

I dare say that this digital overlay TM can and does happen with anything else that we are constantly shown on the computer or TV and changes our real memory experience, but I’ll leave that for now.

The other interesting thing I want to point out that Visser said, and I think he slipped up, was that when he fly to the Vatican many times. So, what is a person who knows the falsehoods about the Catholic Church and knows about the dark deeds theJesuits do, visiting the Vatican? He knows about the Pope and how he deceives the people. So, when Visser said that deceivers have came into the church, who is he talking about?

About half way through this video Visser said the year was 2015. Now, this is when the flat earth information really took off and it was when I first learned about it and started to write about it. I’m wondering if he had seen some of my posts. If so, he didn’t mention it.

Finally, at the 37 minute mark that he said if you look out your window you can see that the Moon is round. Well, I could hold up a dinner plate and it’s round, too, but that does not make it a globe, nor does it tell me (by looking at the Moon) that it’s 242,000 miles away (or whatever the distance is now).

About this other sermon that he said he would make just on the globe earth, I haven’t seen it. If you have seen it, kindly let me know and send me the link. I would be interested in listening to it. Maybe Visser found our more about what we actually say but was too embarrassed to say he was wrong, I don’t know.

I highly recommend that he, and other critics, actually read what is on this website before making a conclusion; before looking foolish and shooting off your mouth.

Side note: Visser talks about we are not to use four letter words and said that the Bible uses the word ‘profanity.’ yet, at the very end of the video, he talked about meeting someone (which includes flat earthers, though it’s implied) that, and I quote, ‘I would hit him ____ in the mouth!’ You actually heard a bleep but you know he would have said the ‘F word.’ So, he just did what he condemned!


To sum up this, Jeromy Visser has not taken the time to read and watch what us flat earthers really believe and talk on that – to either prove we are wrong or to agree. He does not mention another 50 verses where God talks about the earth, Sun and Moon. He does not talk about the other word of God, and that is nature, specifically the laws of physics. God created that, too, but Visser never once commented on that.

The attack on flat earthers seem to follow the same pattern – whether they come from other Christians or from non-Christians. Hopefully, you are aware of what to expect and how to answer them.

Just like a jury that listens to a criminal case, they have to listen to both sides before they make a decision; the same goes for a judge. King Solomon said, he who judges a matter before he hears it is a fool.

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Politically Incorrect Music As Never Heard Before

Politically Incorrect Music As Never Heard Before

Written and sung by Carl Klang

Truth as never heard before set to Country Music. Sit back, and listen to an hour of songs that tells it like it is. You might want to take notes and do a little research on what is contained herein. Enjoy.


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Flat Earth Experiment


Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe

The following sketch, fig. 34, represents a contracted section of the London and North-Western Railway, from London to

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 34.

Liverpool, through Birmingham. The line A, B, is the surface, with its various inclines and altitudes, and C, D, is the datum line from which all the elevations are measured; H, is the station at Birmingham, the elevation of which is 240 feet above the datum line C, D, which line is a continuation of the level of the River Thames at D, to the level of the River Mersey, at C. The direct length of this line is 180 miles; and it is a right or absolutely straight line, in a vertical sense, from London to Liverpool. Therefore, the station at Birmingham is 240 feet above the level of the Thames, continued as a right line throughout the whole length of the railway. But if the earth is a globe, the datum line will be the chord of the arc D, D, D, fig. 35, and the summit of the arc at D, will be 5400 feet above

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 35

the chord at C; added to the altitude of the station H, 240 feet, the Birmingham station, H, would be, if the earth is a globe, 5640 feet above the horizontal datum D, D, or vertically above the Trinity high water mark, at London Bridge. It is found, practically, and in fact, not to be more than 240 feet; hence the theory of rotundity must be a fallacy. Sections of all other railways will give similar proofs that the earth is in. reality a plane.

The tunnel just completed under Mont Fréjus, affords a very striking illustration of the truth. that the earth is a plane, and not globular. The elevation above the sea-level of the entrance at Fourneaux, on the French side of the Alps, is 3946 feet, and of the entrance on the Italian side, 4381 feet. The length of the tunnel is 40,000 feet, or nearly eight English statute miles. The gradient or rise, from the entrance on the French side to the summit of the tunnel, is 445 feet; and on the opposite side, 10 feet. It will be seen from the following account, given by M. Kossuth, 1 that the geodetic operations were carried on in connection with a right line, as the axis of the tunnel, and therefore with a horizontal datum which is quite incompatible with the doctrine of rotundity. That the earth is a plane is involved in all the details of the survey, as the following quotation will show:–

“The observatories placed at the two entrances to the tunnel were used for the necessary observations, and each observatory contained an instrument constructed for the purpose. This instrument was placed on a pedestal of masonry, the top of which was covered with a horizontal slab of marble, having

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engraved upon its surface two intersecting lines, marking a point which was exactly in the vertical plane containing the axis of the tunnel. The instrument was formed of two supports fixed on a tripod, having a delicate screw adjustment. The telescope was similar to that of a theodolite provided with cross-webs, and strongly illuminated by the light from a lantern, concentrated by a lens and projected upon the cross-webs. In using this instrument in checking the axis of the gallery at the northern entrance, for example; after having proved precisely that the vertical plane, corresponding with the point of intersection of the lines upon the slab, also passed through the centre of the instrument, a visual line was then conveyed to the station at Lochalle (on the mountain), and on the instrument being lowered, the required number of points could be fixed in the axis of the tunnel. In executing such an operation, it was necessary that the tunnel should be free from smoke or vapour. The point of collimation was a plummet, suspended from the roof of the tunnel by means of an iron rectangular frame, in one side of which a number of notches were cut, and the plummet shifted from notch to notch, in accordance with the signals of the operator at the observatory. These signals were given to the man whose business it was to adjust the plummet, by means of a telegraph or a horn. The former was found invaluable throughout all these operations.

“At the Bardonnecchia (Italian) entrance, the instrument employed in setting out the axis of the tunnel was similar to the one already described, with the exception that it was mounted on a little carriage, resting on vertical columns that were erected at distances 500 metres apart in the axis of the tunnel. By the help of the carriage, the theodolite was first placed on the centre line approximately. It was then brought exactly into line by a fine adjustment screw, which moved the eye-piece without shifting the carriage. In order to understand more clearly the method of operating the instrument, the mode of proceeding may be described. In setting out a prolongation of the centre line of the tunnel, the instrument was placed upon the last column but one; a light was stationed upon the last column, and exactly in its centre; and 500 metres ahead a trestle frame was placed across the tunnel. Upon the horizontal bar of this trestle several notches were cut, against which a light was placed, and fixed with proper adjusting screws. The observer standing at the instrument, caused the light to move upon the trestle frame, until it was brought into an exact line with the instrument and the first line; and then the centre of the light was projected with a plummet. In this way the exact centre was found. By a repetition of similar operations the vertical plane containing the axis of the tunnel was laid out by a series of plummet lines. During the intervals that elapsed between consecutive operations with the instrument, the plummets were found to be sufficient for maintaining the direction in making the excavation. To maintain the proper gradients in the tunnel, it was necessary, at intervals, to establish fixed levels, deducing them by direct levelling from standard bench marks, placed at short distances from the entrance. The fixed level marks, in the inside of the tunnel, are made upon stone pillars, placed at intervals of 25 metres, and to these were referred the various points in setting out the gradients.”

The theodolite “was placed on a pedestal of masonry, the top of which was covered with a horizontal slab of marble, having engraved upon its surface two intersecting lines, marking a point which was exactly in the vertical plane containing the axis of the tunnel.” This slab was the starting point–the datum which determined the gradients. Its horizontal surface, prolonged through the mountain, passed 445 feet below the summit of the tunnel, and 435 feet below the entrance on the Italian side. This entrance was 4381 feet above the sea, and 435 feet above the horizontal marble slab on the French side. But, if the earth is a globe, the datum line from this horizontal slab would be a tangent, from which the sea-level would curvate downwards to the extent of 42 feet; and the summit of the tunnel, instead of being 10 feet above the Italian entrance, would, of necessity, be 52 feet above it. It is not so, and therefore the datum line is not a tangent, but runs parallel to the sea; the sea-level not convex, and the earth not a globe. This will be rendered plain by the following diagram, fig. 36.

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 36.

Let A represent the summit of the tunnel, and A, T, the axis or centre determined by the theodolite T; S, the marble slab; and D, S, the datum line, running parallel with the sea-level H, H. B, the Italian entrance, at an elevation of 435 feet above D, S, and 4381 feet above the surface of the sea, H, H; A, the summit of the tunnel, 445 feet above the French entrance at T, the same above the datum line D, S; and 4391 feet above the sea-line, H, H. If the earth is a globe, the line, D, S, would be a tangent to the sea at H, S, from which point the sea surface would curvate 52 feet downwards, as shown in diagram, fig. 37. Hence, the elevation of the tunnel at B,

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 37.

would be 52 feet higher above the sea at H, than it is known to be; because taking D, S, as a tangent, and the length of the tunnel being 8 miles–82 miles x 8 inches = 52 feet.

Thus, in a length of 8 statute miles of the most skilful engineering operations, carried on by the most accomplished scientific men, there is a difference between theory and practice of 52 feet! Rather than such a reproach should attach to some of the most eminent practical engineers of the day–those especially who have, with such consummate skill and perseverance, completed one of the most gigantic undertakings of modern times–let the false idea of rotundity in the earth be entirely discarded, and the simple truth acknowledged, that the earth is a plane. It is adopted in practice, why should it be denied in the abstract? Why should the education given in our schools and universities include a forced recognition of a theory which, when practically applied, must ever be ignored and contradicted?

The completion of the great ship canal, which connects the Mediterranean Sea with the Gulf of Suez, on the Red Sea, furnishes another instance of entire discrepancy between the theory of the earth’s rotundity and the results of practical engineering. The canal is 100 English statute miles in length, and is entirely without locks; so that the water within it is really a continuation of the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea. “The average level of the Mediterranean is 6 inches above the Red Sea; but the flood tides in the Red Sea rise 4 feet above the highest, and its ebbs fall nearly 3 feet below the lowest in the Mediterranean.” The datum line is 26 feet below the level of the Mediterranean, and is continued horizontally from one sea to the other; and throughout the whole length of the work, the surface of the water runs parallel with this datum, as shown in the following section, fig. 38, published by the authorities. A, A, A, A, is the

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 38.

surface of the canal, passing through several lakes, from one sea to the other; D, D, the bed of the canal, or horizontal datum line to which the various elevations of land, &c., are referred, but parallel to which stands the surface of the water throughout the entire length of the canal; thus proving that the half-tide level of the Red Sea, the 100 miles of water in the canal, and the surface of the Mediterranean Sea, are a continuation of one and the same horizontal line. If the earth is globular, the water in the centre of the canal, being 50 miles from each end, would be the summit of an arc of a circle, and would stand at more than 1600 feet above the Mediterranean and Red Seas (502 x 8 inches = 1666 feet 8 inches), as shown in diagram, fig. 39. A, the Mediterranean Sea; B, the Red

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 39.

Sea; and A, C, B, the arc of water connecting them; D, D, the horizontal datum, which, if the earth is globular, would really be the chord of the arc, A, C, B.

The bed of the Atlantic Ocean, from Valencia (western coast of Ireland) to Trinity Bay, Newfoundland, as surveyed for the laying of the cable, is another illustration or proof that the surface of the great waters of the earth is horizontal, and not convex, as will be seen by the following diagram, contracted from the section, published October 8,

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 40.

[paragraph continues] 1869, by the Admiralty. C, D, is the horizontal datum line, and A, B, the surface of the water, for a distance of 1665 nautical, or 1942 statute miles. At about one-third the distance from A, Newfoundland, the greatest depth is found–2424 fathoms; the next deepest part is 2400 fathoms; at about two-thirds the distance from A, towards B, Ireland, while in the centre, the depth is less than 1600 fathoms; whereas, if the water of the Atlantic is convex, the centre would stand 628,560 feet, or nearly 120 miles, higher than the two stations, Trinity Bay and Valencia; and the greatest depth would be in the centre of the Atlantic Ocean, where it would be 106,310 fathoms, instead of 1550 fathoms, which it is proved to be by actual soundings. Fig. 41 shows the arc of water which would exist,

Flat earth experiment

FIG. 41.

in relation to the horizontal datum line, between Ireland and Newfoundland, if the earth is a globe. Again, if the water in the Atlantic Ocean is convex–a part of a great sphere of 25,000 miles circumference–the horizontal datum line would be a chord to the great arc of water above it; and the distance across the bed of the Atlantic would therefore be considerably less than the distance over the surface. The length of the cable which was laid in 1866, notwithstanding the known irregularities of the bed of the Ocean, would be less than the distance sailed by the paying-out vessel, the “Great Eastern;” whereas, according to the published report, the distance run by the steamer was 1665 miles, while the length of cable payed out was 1852 miles.

It is important to bear in mind that all the foregoing remarks and calculations are made in connection with the fact that the datum line, to which all elevations and depressions are referred, is horizontal, and not an arc of a circle. For many years past, all the great surveys have been made on this principle; but that no doubt may exist in the mind of the reader, the following extract is given from the Standing Orders of the Houses of Lords and Commons on Railway Operations, for the Session of 1862: 1–

“The section shall be drawn to the same horizontal scale as the plan, and to a vertical scale of not less than one inch to every one hundred feet; and shall show the surface of the ground marked on the plan, the intended level of the proposed work, the height of every embankment, and the depth of every cutting, and a datum horizontal line, which shall be the same throughout the whole length of the work; or any branch thereof respectively; and shall be referred to some fixed point . . . . near either of the termini. (See line D, D; fig. 2.)”

On the page opposite that of the above Standing Order, a section is given to illustrate the meaning of the words of the order–special reference being made to the line D, D, as showing what is intended by the words “datum horizontal line.” The drawing of the section there given, and which is insisted upon by Government, is precisely the same as the sections recently published of all the great railways, of the Suez Canal, of the bed of the Atlantic Ocean, taken for the purposes of laying the Electric Cable, and of many other works connected with railways deep-sea ordnance, and other surveying operations. In all these extensive surveys the doctrine of rotundity is, of necessity, entirely ignored; and the principle that the earth is a plane is practically adopted, and found to be the only one consistent with the results, and agreeing with the plans of the great surveyors and engineers of the day.


48:1 Daily News, September 18, 1871.

56:1 Publishers, Vacher & Sons, 29, Parliament Street, Westminster.



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Flat Earth Experiment: Line of Sight

Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe

On the eastern pier at Brighton (Sussex) a large wooden quadrant was fixed on a stand, the upper surface placed square to a plumb line, and directed towards the east, then to the south, and afterwards to the west., On looking over this upper surface the line of sight in each case seemed to meet the horizon, H, H, as shown in fig. 27. The altitude of the quadrant was

Earth not a globe

FIG. 27.

[paragraph continues] 34 feet; hence, if the earth is a globe, the water would have curvated downwards from the pier, the horizon would have been more than seven miles away, and 34 feet below the surface immediately beneath the observer; which depression, added to the elevation of the quadrant on the pier, would give 68 feet as the amount the horizon H, H, would have been below the line of sight A, B, as shown in the following diagram, fig. 28.

Earth not a globe

FIG. 28.

To touch the horizon on a convex surface the line of sight,  A C, C B, would have to “dip” in the direction C, H; as no such “dip” of the eye line is required, convexity cannot exist.

In the case of the balloon at an altitude of two miles, the horizon would have been 127 miles away, and more than 10,000. feet below the summit of the arc of water underneath the balloon, and over 20,000 feet below the line of sight A, B, as shown in fig. 29; and the “dip” C, H, from C, B, to the horizon

Earth not a globe

FIG. 29.

H, would be so great that the aëronaut could not fail to observe it; instead of which he always sees it “on a level with his eye,” “rising as he rises,” and “at the highest elevation, seeming to close with the sky.”

The author has seen and tested this apparent rising of the water and the sea horizon to the level of the eye, and to an eye-line at right angles to a plumb-line, from many different places–the high ground near the race-course, at Brighton, in Sussex, from several hills in the Isle of Wight; various places near Plymouth, looking towards the Eddystone Lighthouse; the “Steep Holm,” in the Bristol Channel; the Hill of Howth, and “Ireland’s Eye,” near Dublin; various parts of the Isle of Man, “Arthur’s Seat,” near Edinburgh; the cliffs at Tynemouth; the rocks at Cromer, in Norfolk; from the top of Nelson’s Monument, at Great Yarmouth; and from many other elevated positions. But in Ireland, in Scotland, and in several parts of England, he has been challenged by surveyors to make use of the theodolite, or ordinary “spirit level,” to test this appearance of the horizon. It was affirmed that, through this instrument, when “levelled,” the horizon always appeared below the cross-hair, as shown in fig. 30–C, C, the cross-hair, and H, H, the horizon.

Earth not a globe

FIG. 30.

Earth not a globe

FIG. 31.

In every instance when the experiment was tried, this appearance was found to exist; but it was noticed that different instruments gave different degrees of horizontal depression below the cross-hair. The author saw at once that this peculiarity depended upon the construction of the instruments. He ascertained that in those of the very best construction, and of the most perfect adjustment, there existed a certain degree of refraction, or, as it is called technically, “collimation,” or a slight divergence of the rays of light from the axis of the eye, on passing through the several glasses of the theodolite. He therefore obtained an iron tube, about 18 inches in length; one end was closed, except a very small aperture in the centre; and at the other end cross-hairs were fixed. A spirit level was then attached, and the whole carefully adjusted. On directing it, from a considerable elevation, towards the sea, and looking through the small aperture at one end, the cross-hair at the opposite end was seen to cut or to fall close to the horizon, as shown at fig. 31. This has been tried in various places, and at different altitudes, and always with the same result; showing clearly that the horizon visible below the cross-hair of an ordinary levelling instrument is the result of refraction, from looking through the various glasses of the telescope; for on looking through an instrument in every respect the same in construction, except being free from lenses, a different result is observed, and one precisely the same as that seen from a balloon, from any promontory, and in the experiment at Brighton, shown in fig. 27, p. 39.

These comparative experiments cannot fail to satisfy any unbiassed observer that in every levelling instrument where lenses are employed, there is, of necessity, more or less divergence of the line of sight from the true or normal axis; and that however small the amount–perhaps inappreciable in short lengths of observation–it is considerable in distances of several miles. Every scientific surveyor of experience is fully aware of this and other peculiarities in all such instruments, and is always ready to make allowances for them in important surveys. As a, still further proof of this behaviour of the telescopic levelling instruments, the following simple experiment may be tried. Select a piece of ground–a terrace, promenade, line of railway, or embankment, which shall be perfectly horizontal for, say, five hundred yards. Let a signal staff, 5 feet high, be erected at one end, and a theodolite or spirit level fixed and carefully adjusted to exactly the same altitude at the other end. The top of the signal will then be seen a little below the cross-hair, although it has the same actual altitude, and stands upon the same horizontal foundation. If the positions of the signal staff and the spirit level be then reversed, the same result will follow.

Another proof will be found in the following experiment. Select any promontory, pier, lighthouse gallery, or small island, and, at a considerable altitude, place a smooth block of wood or stone of any magnitude; let this be “levelled.” If, then, the observer will place his eye close to the block, and look along its surface towards the sea, he will find that the line of sight will touch the distant horizon. Now let any number of spirit levels or theodolites be properly placed, and accurately adjusted; and it will be found that, in every one of them, the same sea horizon will appear in the field of view considerably below the cross-hair; thus, proving that telescopic instrumental readings are not the same as those of the naked eye.

In a work entitled “A Treatise on Mathematical Instruments,” by J. F. Heather, M.A., of the Royal Military College, Woolwich, published by Weale, High Holborn, London, elaborate directions are given for examining, correcting, and adjusting the collimation, &c.; and at page 103, these directions are concluded by the following words: “The instrument will now be in complete practical adjustment for any distance not exceeding ten chains (220 yards), the maximum error being only 1/1000 of a foot.

At this stage of the enquiry two distinct questions naturally arise: First, if the earth is a plane, why does the sea at all times appear to rise to the axis of the eye? and secondly, would not the same appearance exist if the earth were a globe? It is a simple fact, that two lines running parallel for a considerable distance will, to an observer placed between them at one end, appear to converge or come together at the other end. The top and bottom and sides of a long room, or an equally bored tunnel, will afford a good example of this appearance; but perhaps a still better illustration is given by the two metallic lines of a long portion of any railway. In fig. 32, let

Earth not a globe

FIG. 32.

[paragraph continues] A, B, and C, D, represent the two lines of a straight portion of horizontal railway. If an observer be placed at G, he will see the two lines apparently meeting each other towards H, from the following cause:–Let G represent the eye looking, first, as far only as figs. 1 and 2, the space between 1 and 2 will then be seen by the eye at G, under the angle 1, G, 2. On looking as far as figs. 3 and 4, the space between 3 and 4 will be seen under the diminished angle 3, G, 4. Again on looking forward to the points 5 and 6, the space between the rails would be represented by the angle 5, G, 6; and, as will at once be seen, the greater the distance observed, the more acute the angle at the eye, and therefore the nearer together will the rails appear. Now if one of these rails should be an arc of a circle and diverge from the other, as in the diagram fig. 33, it is evident that the

Earth not a globe

FIG. 33.

effect upon the eye at G, would be different to that shown by the diagram fig. 32. The line G, 4, would become a tangent to the arc C, D, and could never approach the line G, H, nearer than the point T. The same may be said of lines drawn to 6, opposite 5, and to all greater distances–none could rise higher than the tangent point T. Hence allowing A, B, to represent the sky, and C, D, the surface of the water of a globe, it is evident that A, B, could appear to decline or come down to the point H, practically to a level with the eye at G; but that C, D, could never, by the operation of any known law of optics, rise to the line G, H, and therefore any observation made upon a globular surface, could not possibly produce the effect observed from a balloon, or in any experiment like that represented in .

From the foregoing details the following arguments may be constructed:–

Right lines, running parallel with each other, appear to approach in the distance.

The eye-line, and the surface of the earth and sky, run parallel with each other;

Ergo, the earth and sky appear to approach in the distance.

Lines which appear to approach in the distance are parallel lines.

The surface of the earth appears to approach the eye-line;

Ergo, the surface of the earth is parallel with the eye-line.

The eye-line is a right line.

The surface of the earth is parallel or equi-distant;

Ergo, the surface of the earth is a right line–a plane.



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A Very Flexible Earth


Answer: None of the above.

In this montage of pictures, you see earth at various altitudes. Now, look at the curves. If this is true and the earth is curved like this – earth is stranger than just being a globe. Look at the degree of arch on the 100’ altitude; IF the earth looked like that, do you realize how small the earth would be?! It would be, say, a mile or two in diameter. (There are some mathematicians out there that can compute this exactly.) Other pictures show that the earth is, 100 miles or 1,000 miles in diameter (I’m just guessing here but you get the point). In short, when you are at a low altitude, the curve should be very little – not the degree of arch you see here!

IF these pictures are true, why haven’t pictures taken since day one – with the very first cameras – show a curved earth? Why hasn’t this shown up? You DO NOT need a fisheye lens to show this IF the earth was truly a globe. In fact, the naked eye would see this – so why hasn’t something like this been shown with the first view by the first human high on a mountain? Why hasn’t that been detected during the time of Genesis? Why hasn’t the first cameras taken from an altitude of 100 feet or more show this curve before?

We know the educational system lies; we know that the media lies; now, we have technology lying for us. (More accurately, what the media is telling us that the camera is telling us.)

Finally, if the curve is real, then why, when you take a picture – using the same camera lens that these people used – don’t you see the same curve as the camera? Why don’t you see the curve WITHOUT the aide of the fisheye lens? The answer is simple – that we live on a flat earth!


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How Reporters Manipulate People They Interview

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) and Mind Control

You probably all know how the media distorts the news and make good people look bad – this is nothing new. Think how this can be done with someone who believes in the flat earth, or someone who is against vaccinations.

Many years ago I learned about NLP and how you can persuade people. Tony Robbins was the main person pushing this. Now, there are many others. I had thought that this was a benign form of influencing people – to buy your product or to listen to your side of the story. But like most technology today, there is a dark side to it.

If you should ever be interviewed by the media on the flat earth, you can expect this technique to be used against you. “To be forewarned is to be forearmed,” as the saying goes. You can be sure that these so-called reporters use these techniques on people who hold views different than the antichrist leaders in society.

In this video, you have (a couple minutes in) the dissecting of an interview done by Fox News reporter Sean Hannity with a professor who knows that the World Trade Towers was an inside job. Now, the strange this is, with this Sean Hannity, that he has interviewed Donald Trump on a regular bases and he is not hostile to him – even though Trump is conservative and Hannity represents the Establishment. In the above video, it looks like it was taken several years ago, as Hannity’s hair was not as grey as it is now.

The next time you talk about the flat earth with someone, check to see if you are being manipulated with NLP. If you are, here are some tips to keep in mind:

  • Point out the manipulation that he/she is using on you
  • Stay on topic
  • Keep talking if he interrupts you
  • Better yet – just terminate the conversation, as they are not really interested in hearing what you have to say.
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An In-depth Look At What Bill Gates and Mike Bloomberg’s Plans Are For Controlling Your Life

An In-depth Look At What Bill Gates and Mike Bloomberg’s Plans Are For Controlling Your Life

Beware beginnings! As Cuomo said, they’re not setting the Covid-19 infrastructure up for a one-time use. We’re seeing the use of QR codes to restrict access and mobility in other countries. We’re witnessing the convergence of data profiling and social credit scoring, too.

With smart cities there will come a day when one’s actions will be regulated through Ethereum smart contracts. If you cannot digitally demonstrate your rights, they will not exist. All of it automated, untouchable, and most certainly racialized. Imagine the amount of racist gatekeeping that can be embedded in smart cities coded to profit global finance? We will be expected to wander through their augmented reality gamified maze, demonstrating our good behavior in order to survive.

They want us to become independent actors, allied only with our digital doppelgangers – free market agents, data brands. I have to hope this is not the future most people want and we can mobilize around another vision grounded in reciprocity and communal care.

The map below shows what the early stages of this looks like in the United Kingdom. Bloomberg Philanthropies works with both NESTA and Behavioural Insights Team. They are pioneering IoT wearable tech associated with social impact finance health interventions. This goes along with Bloomberg’s push for government innovation, city dashboards, and digitized public services.

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Cities Without Inhabitants

Cities Without Inhabitants

The Bible talks about cities without inhabitants. Has this happened again? Yes, in American and many European cities. Here is part one by Sheldon Emry from a sermon given in 1977.

Today, with this covid virus, thousands are moving out of NYC, so many that there are 13,000 apartments that are empty now, at the time of this writing. More is yet to come.




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Some Objections To A Flat Earth

Here are some objections to a flat earth. This was actually sent by a reader. I’ll do my best to answer them. You’ll probably find more detailed objections in many of the flat earth videos that are posted on the internet and what are on Christian Flat Earth Ministry blog site right here. So, here goes…

Q: If the world is flat, why do objects appear over the horizon?

Objects ‘appear’ over the horizon because they come into view, not because they came over the curve. It’s the law of perspective – your eyes can only see so far.

Q: Do you really believe every space mission ever was just a conspiracy?

The quick answer is, ‘Yes.’ People, in general believe that someone lied when the lie is small. That’s because they make small lies themselves. But they believe a big lie because they don’t think that anyone would lie on such a grand scale only because they would never do it. Thus, it’s hard for people to believe that a whole space agency (NASA), that the educational system and that governments would lie. People typically think, ‘They wouldn’t lie to us.’ Thus, they fall for the big lie.

By the way, do a YouTube search on: fake moon landing

Q: What would space agencies and increasingly private space projects have to gain by faking the entire thing?

There are several reasons for this, they include: to make money from us, to have us believe that we evolved from apes and that man has ‘all the answers.’

NASA gets billions of dollars per year. Some of this is spent to ‘put on a show’ but the majority of it goes in their pockets. Most people can’t accept that. I understand people doubting this when the lie is so monstrous. Surely, the average person would think that they would be found out. When you have powerful people and you use some of that money to ‘grease the hands’ of others – people keep their mouths shut. In government, employees have to sign ‘non-disclosures’ in order for them to keep their mouths shut.

But one thing you should keep in mind is, that your flat earth research should be based on facts of physics. Don’t base the flat earth on ‘How can so many people be on the “take.”  Base this on facts, such as, ‘Water can not stay on a ball and that includes the globe earth.’ Once you examine that, then what the rest the government tells us MUST be a lie.

It would be a vast waste of money and human resources to fake building the International Space Station.

Not when the money comes from the taxpayers.

The Soviet Union was deeply humiliated after being beaten in the race to the Moon. It would have been easy to admit that there had been a conspiracy and spacecraft did not go around the Earth.

The Soviet Union knew about the true nature of the earth; they had their fake orbiting around the earth. So, they, too, kept their mouths shut. Remember, Russia was, at that time, was an Anti-Christ communist system and the central part of their philosophy is ‘that there is no God, that Christ did not exist and the Bible is not true.’ They were a big supporter of what Charles Darwin wrote – that we evolved from lower forms of life. If the facts of the flat earth were told; that there is a dome over us and that above this dome is Heaven itself, it will throw out the whole evolution lie in one fatal blow. This, they can’t have, so Soviets were more than willing to go along with it. To make all this heliocentric universe look real they have to make it look like there are space missions, International Space Station, trips to Mars, new planets found, ad nausea.

The ‘outer space’ we are presented with is nothing more than computer generated images (CGI). For example, to make a ‘space station’ could cost $50,000, but this is nothing with the billions dollars they receive for funding every year. A very nice profit indeed!

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The Bible, Bottomless Pit and Flat Earth

The Bible and Bottomless Pit

Does the ‘bottomless pit’ as talked about in the Bible fit with a globe earth or a flat earth?

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