A little about earth science. Specifically, this is about the Exodus that our Forefathers went through as recorded in the Bible.
You may have had this experience and that is when talking to some Christians they are so thick, so brainwashed that you just can’t get through. Well, I met one the other day who was like that. A woman stopped me who as on the shopping square with literature and there was a sign next to her that said “10 Commandments Quiz.” She came on with, “Do you know Jesus.” I told her yes and that I was saved.
The following is the highlights of what was talked about. They are not in exact order or with the exact words used, as you know how these conversations go – they are all over the place. So, here goes…
Me: We need to follow all the laws. Many Christians are hypocrites in that they say “the Law was done away with,” yet they are the first ones that would vote for a politician or judge or they would run for office themselves. What they did was, in the Bible they changed one word and that was “ritual” and wrote “law.” When, in fact, it was only the ritual that was done away with.
Her: We talk about the Gospel.
Me: The Gospel is: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but there are many other books in the Bible. We need to study the whole Bible. Bible scholars tell us that 71% of the Bible is CIVIL.
Jesus said, “If you love me you’d obey My Commandments.”
Her: Jesus said many “ifs.”
This was a cavalier attitude on her part! In conversations many times you don’t have time or you are not given the time to answer. They also are quick to change to another topic. But here is my response to this and to any Reader who might think like this and that is: What this woman is implying is, that this is of no concern. EVERYTHING that Jesus said is of importance! So, let’s talk about this IF. People like to side-step the issue when they know that they are guilty; when it would destroy their “interpretation” of the Bible.
Me: Do you know where Heaven it; the physical Heaven?
This got her to think and she admitted “No.”
Me: We are told right in the Bible. Heaven is right above us. “As high as the heavens are above the earth, so are my ways higher than yours.” Therefore, the earth cannot be a globe as what is above for us, is not above for those in Australia.
This got her to think but in a couple of seconds she was off on her own course. But I went back to the same topic.
Me: God said that the earth is His footstool. Now, picture a footstool: Would it be round going at 1,000mph? Would it be traveling around the sun at 67,000mph? He would say, “Where is my footstool?”
(I then added.) Would you agree that most Evolutionists are either atheist or agnostic?
Me: It would be easier to reach them with the Bible by first talking about what their interest is.
Then, when they are told that the earth is flat and that we are the only ones out there, they have to re-think everything.
During this conversation I gave her my web address. But I doubt she will look at or do her own research on the flat earth.
At this point, I said I had to go, as I saw that she had become a little hostel. She did not give me any of her literature, so I don’t know what church or cult she was from. But was this all a waste of time? No.
Any time that you see some religious person or group on the street, it’s an opportunity to talk to them. Unfortunately, there are many of them that are so brainwashed that they will not understand what you are saying – that’s fine. But think of those who do – though they are few and far in-between. I know that there are people who once were either in an outright cult of from the mainline church (which are mostly brainwashed) that are glad that they came across the truth.
It’s sad to say that what are taught in churches today is not much different than what Jehovah’s Witness or the Mormons say. Their lies may be different but the mainline churches certainly have enough other lies to classify them as a cult, too.
When you do have a conversation with anyone like this, it’s good to record this shortly thereafter, which is what I did. I just had a note pad to do so. You might not get verbatim of what was said but you’d be more accurate than if you were to retell it to a friend a week later. The best thing to have is, an actual recording – either video or audio – but a lot of people would not like to be recorded. Then, after you met someone and go over your notes, you can refine what you said for the next time.
Technically speaking, you can record anything that is in public. So, if you want to buy one of those little video cameras that clips on your shirt, by all means do so!
The point is, that biblically, everyone has a chance to learn about God and His Word and God may be using you to do your part.
My questions to you, dear Reader is: What have you done in the past week to spread God’s Word? What could you have done? What opportunity did you miss in spreading the truth? How can you make your talk better the next time? What can you do this week? Sit down now and right our your answers and thoughts. Then ACT on them. It’s no accident that the first book after the Gospel is the book of ACTS. That means that the Apostles and Disciples put their knowledge into ACTion and told others about the Bible truths.
From Scientific America
Date early 20th Century
The changing aspect of the heavens in different latitudes, some stars appearing and other disappearing, proves the earth is round. Or does it? “The stars are set in a hemispherical dome so close to the earth that all cannot be seen at the same time,” is Voliva’s explanation of this point.
In order to get the public to continue to believe in the lie of a heliocentric universe, all sorts of techniques are used. The Elite have this down to a science.
This has been quite a feat, given the rugged individualism that was the hallmark of early America. But it is obviously working. Americans are largely sheeple, cooperatively allowing the mass media, government propaganda and corporate marketing machines to determine what is right, true and fashionable.
The only defense is education. If you are not aware of the covert processes used to infiltrate your subconscious mind, then you are much more likely to fall prey to them.
Were you aware that US government operatives know how to use hypnosis to induce trance, provoke an average person to commit murder, then forget that it happened? This process has been documented as part of the government’s effort to create a real Jason Bourne-like operative. Of course, experiments were secretly forced upon healthy yet vulnerable citizens and mental hospital patients, but that is another story.
Find out more at CLICK HERE.
It was this article that led me to the discovery of the flat earth (as it was on a flat earth site). This happened one year ago. The site that I was on was mainly focused on medical fraud but they had a link to another site with a statement about the 7 astroNOTS who were supposedly killed back in 1986. This news was a revelation to me, then the flat earth was even more.
As former CIA Director William Casey boasted (paraphrasing), “We will know when our control of the people is complete when everything that the the American people believe in is a lie.” Well, that day has come and it came a long time ago. There are many other lies that we have been told. Lies about: wars, government leaders (calling the good bad and the bad good), medical profession, economy, and on and on. Of course, the worst lie is about what they say about God and the Bible. Anyhow, let’s continue…
The remains of the crew that were identifiable were returned to their families on April 29, 1986. Three of the crew members, Judith Resnik, Dick Scobee, and Capt. Michael J. Smith, were buried by their families at Arlington National Cemetery at individual grave sites. Mission Specialist Lt Col Ellison Onizuka was buried at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii. Unidentified crew remains were buried communally at the Space Shuttle Challenger Memorial in Arlington on May 20, 1986.
Once a Flat Plane Truth is realized, one realizes it is All a Great Lie. All of it.
At cluesforum.info, they have been uncovering more “inconvenient truths” for NASA as to the living Astro-nots, who alleged we’re killed in the alleged space shuttle Challenger disaster but are now found to be happily gainfully employed in colleges and jobs related to NASA.
Pick your favorite photoshop..err shot, provided by NASA Image of what the Challenger explosion in space looked like. They cannot both be a picture of the exact same event. (also, was it not a clear blue sky day?)
The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster occurred on January 28, 1986, when the NASA Space Shuttle orbiter Challenger (OV-099) (mission STS-51-L) broke apart 73 seconds into its flight, leading to the deaths of its seven crew members, which included five NASA astronauts and two payload specialists. The spacecraft disintegrated over the Atlantic Ocean, off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida at 11:38 EST (16:38 UTC).
Approximately 17 percent of Americans witnessed the launch live because of the presence of Payload Specialist Christa McAuliffe, who would have been the first teacher in space. Media coverage of the accident was extensive: one study reported that 85 percent of Americans surveyed had heard the news within an hour of the accident.
“IT’S EASIER TO FOOL PEOPLE THAN TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FOOLED.” Mark Twain
Judith Resnik was one of the astroNOTS that was “aboard” the Challenger rocket.
“RESNIK” name meaning:
Variant spelling of Jewish Reznik ‘ritual slaughterer’.
Judith Arlene Resnik
They are just pulling a fast one over the goyim.
“When the Shuttle Columbia disintegrated over a 800 mile stretch of Texas and Louisiana during its re-entry to Earth, it was traveling at over 8,000 MPH. From California to Florida in less than 15 minutes.
All bodies were recovered. ALL. They found enough of the space shuttle to rebuild most of it during their investigation. Compare this to when Flight 93 crashed, there should have been almost 300 tons of debris along with 10 tons of human remains. But they recovered no debris or body parts, whatsoever.”) hmm.
Seems strange, doesn’t it?
Dear Brother Aldridge,
I have to thank you for you letter, received on Sunday last, August 30th.
I do not deny that you have in the south a centre around which the southern stars revolve. If some Zetetic deny this is is because they have not yet seen the evidence for it. But as you know that the southern constellations revolve around a so-called “pole,” so we know that water everywhere is level, and the earth (or land, see Gen. I. 10) therefore a plane. If the earth were a globe, according to popular belief, the surface of all canals, rivers, and seas, would be convex.
It is as inconsistent of the globularist to deny that water is level as it would be of me to deny your evidence about the southern stars. Both are evidently facts, and no fact should be contradicted. The fact that water is level is utterly inconsistent with globular theory, but the motions of the heavenly bodies have, speaking generally, nothing to do with the shape of the surface of the earth. But you and I are both Christians, and we ought alike to respect the Word of the Creator. No part of the Bible can be more undoubtedly the Word of God than the Ten Commandments which God spake on Mount Sinai. In the Second Commandment “God said” that:
Can you reconcile this with the whirling globe theory? Where is heaven on such a hypothesis? Shall we as Christians accept the teaching of God’s Word respecting his own Creation, or shall we accept the “hypothesis” of “science” falsely so-called?
We Zetetics hold to the plane-earth doctrine because it throws so much light on Scripture statements, and strengthens our faith generally in God’s Word: but I have publicly debated the question here on the basis of “science” along, and I have never yet met a man who could give me one irrefutable proof of the earth’s globularity, or its supposed awful motions. We know that all infidels stand on the side of the astronomers, because modern theoretical astronomy subverts Bible teaching. Where, then, should all Christians be found? Let us stand together on the side of God’s Word. You in the south could help us in the north; and we in the north may be able to help you in the south.
You say, “the sun moves apparently from east to west.” Why not believe the evidence of your senses, that is, that the sun does move? The Bible says the sun moves; and the same good book says that the earth is established so that “it cannot be moved.” Can you give me a proof that the earth moves as astronomers affirm? I would like to see such a proof.
There maybe, and I think there are, some difficulties still remaining on the Zetetic side; but one thing is certain, our teaching does not tend to subvert faith in the divine inspiration of the Bible.
I shall be glad to see your further photos. Please mark which way the stars revolve – your camera being of course pointed to the south.
With kindest regards, believe me, yours faithfully,
My experience is contrary to what I was taught to believe, viz; that the earth is a globe. As a boy, in Jamaica, I used to ask my parents many questions about the earth; and my mother told me there were several points in Jamaica from which Cuba could be seen. Later I proved this to be true. In March, 1881, I went from Montego Bay to St. Ann’s Bay; some companions went with me up the hills, and the morning being bright and very clear, I saw two small sails standing out from the shore quite distinctly, about five miles off. Another sail was also visible, about 80 miles away, which I and my friends made out to be a barque leaving Cuba. This we saw with the naked eye.
One of my companions, a pilot boy, had a small telescope with a range of 40 miles, but on looking through the glass we cold not see these ships; so the owner of the telescope, whose turn it was to watch for ships, stayed until he was able to ascertain that the vessels were going to Kingston, Jamaica.
I would suggest a few causes which prevent anyone seeing a ship a great distance away, although water is level:
1 The nature of the atmosphere. 2 The capacity of our visual organs.
E. V. MULGRAVE.
Note: The distance from Jamaica to Cuba, using Montego Bay as the point to the closest land mass in Cuba is approximately 119 miles or 191 kilometres. This would be much to far to see if the earth was a globe.
I find it interesting in that this author gave the range in miles of how far the telescope could see. Today all you hear is how much power the telescope has.
Note: This is from a booklet that was written around the turn of the 20th Century. The grammar, spelling and style is kept the same. To a few readers out there: if you think a word doesn’t exist, look it up in an old dictionary.
Trickery has long been involved in covering up the flat earth – it didn’t start with modern space agencies like NASA, it’s that they have just refined how to fool the people.
The Three Poles Trick: A Canal Experiment
As the very foundation of modern astronomy rests on the assumption that we are living on a whirling globe, all sorts of devices are resorted to to support the idea of the earth’s sphericity.
After having demolished some of the best “proofs” it is surely not necessary to examine and review every statement offered in support of this modern and absurd fallacy. But we will briefly refer to one or two others before going on to examine the question of the Earth’s supposed motions.
We are informed that the Earth’s curvature could be “proved” by three poles placed in a straight line; and such an experiment was tried in a noted instance upon the Bedford Canal, Cambridgeshire. Our examination of this “proof” may thrown some light upon the “trick” which was then supposed to win a wager.
We shall, however, quote again from Mr. Gregory’s book, published in 1892, p. 110.
“If three poles of exactly the same height be placed in a line the middle one always appears higher than the other two outer ones. Let three poles be fixed in line with their tops cut off at exactly the same height above some level surface (level mind you!), such as the surface of a canal, then, if a telescope is sighted along the first to the third pole the top of the middle pole will appear above the line joining the tops of the two outer ones. The cause of this is the curvature of the earth’s surface, and if the experiment can be repeated (why cannot it?) in various parts of the Earth, and (“if”) it was found that the curvature was everywhere the same, this would prove that the Earth’s form is globular, and an approximate determination of its size could be obtained. It is found that the middle pole rises 8 inches above the line joining the two out when the distance between each pole is a mile.”
This is a very specious paragraph. It reads well, and an unsuspecting reader might easily be misled by it. But let us examine it a little, and it will be “found to be wholly hypothetical.”
The writer of the paragraph quoted does not say that such an experiment had been tried and that the result was found to be what he said it “would” be if so tried. But in the style of most modern astronomers he jumps from the subjunctive, or hypothetical, mood to the positive, or indicative mood, and says; “If” three equal poles “be placed in a line,” meaning I suppose in a straight line, “the middle one always appears higher than the other two outer ones.” Of course, “if the middle pole is higher, and if it be left in its position, it “always” will appear so; but this is not what Mr. G. meant to say. We may guess his meaning though his words do not express it. But were he to condescend to give particulars as to time and place others might try the same experiment, and the trick might be found out. But we think we can expose it as it is.
Three poles have to be “fixed in line with their tops cut off at exactly the same height above some level surface.” Now, mind their tops must be “cut off.” Good! It is, therefore, self-evident that if the equal poles are fixed on a “level surface” at “exactly the same height,” one pole cannot be higher than another; not even 8 inches. If they appear otherwise the poles could not have been fixed at “exactly the same height”! Yet the writer says: “If a telescope is sighted along the first to the third,” the middle pole “will” appear higher. The language is vague. The question is, does it appear higher, or does it no? Out scientist says it “will.” Well, we shall see soon whether it “will” or no; though 8 inches in a mile cannot appear much.
In the meantime we ask, what does he mean by placing the telescope “along the first” pole? This pole like the others, is upright and perpedicular to the horizon; how then can the telescope be sighted “along” the top of it? This is where the trick comes in! If you remove the first pole and put the tlescope in its place, so as to “sight” only the other two, or if you rest the telescope on the top of the first pole, the middle one may appear higher than the third; because the third being further away, looks perspectively less than the middle one which is a mile nearer. Without asking how there can be a middle pole of two, if you remove the telescope some distance away from the fist pole, and look over or along the tops of all the three poles then they will be “found” to be in the same straight line. And if the telescope be properly adjusted so as to prevent the “error of collimation” the middle pole will not be found 8 inches higher than the other two. This can be tested by experiment; but we shall proceed to prove it by the following diagram.
Let A, B, C, represent three equal poles placed at any convenient and equal distances apart, in a direct line upon the Earth’s supposed curved surface – A D. Then, according to the theory of our astronomical friend the top of the middle pole (B) will be “found” to be higher than either of the poles at A and C, as in the diagram.
Let us suppose for argument’s sake that the pole B has been “found” to be higher than the pole C. Now without removing any of the three poles A,B, C, let us add another pole – D – at exactly the same distance as the others. Ignoring pole A, let the telescope be removed to the pole B, and let it be placed in the same relative position to B as it was to A. Join the tops of B and D to represent their false line of sight. It will now be seen that C is the middle pole of the three, B, C, D; and by the same “line of reasoning” the top of the middle pole – C – will be “found to be higher than either of the poles D and B. but by this “line of reasoning” we have already “proved” that the pole B was higher than pole C, and now we “prove,” in the same way, that pole C is higher than pole B! That is, the pole B – the middle pole experimented upon, at the same time is both higher and lower than the other pole ( C ), which is absurd! Wherefore the pole B is NOT higher than the pole C, but exactly the same height above the same level surface”; and therefore this experiment does not “prove that the Earth’s form is globular.”
1) “The middle pole will (not) appear above the line joining the tops of the two ouoter ones,” if the experiment be properly conducted; and, 2) “the cause of this is (not) the curvature of the Earth’s surface,” for the mere assumption of the Earth’s curvature cannot be the “cause” of anything, that is of anything found in Nature.
But stop! It may be – yes, it is – the “cause” of otherwise intelligent men making mis-statements, false statements, and misrepresentations in support of an absurd theory, which its founder confessed was “feigned” for quite another purpose than for strict truth and integrity; for as we have now abundantly shown, the effort to support this superstitious system causes its advocated to depart alike from both.
This is further illustrated by their diagrams of ships at sea, and the way they make them climb over a supposed hill of water.
The foregoing diagrams are specimens of the false perspective given in astronomical works and school books. They are so flagrant as to need no refutation. The first ship is sledom placed on the “top” of the diagram, but a litle to one side, so that it will appear to rise first before it is made descending at once the awful decline. But then this would be to expose the “trick,” of which no doubt the better class of astronomers are fully aware; yet none of them hitherto have had the courage to denounce the deception practised by their supporters. This is left for others.
That it may be seen we are not alone in speaking thus plainly, we will quote, from Things to Come, part of an address by Mr. Thomas A. Edison, originally printed in Suggestive Therapeutics, he says:
“There are more frauds in modern science than anywhere else…Take a whole pile of them that I could name, and you will find uncertainty, if not imposition, in half of what they state as scientific truth. They have time and again set down experiments as done by them, curious out of the way experiments that they never did, and upon which they have founded so-called scientific truths. I have been thrown off my track often by them, and for months at a time. Try the experiment yourself and you will find the result altogether different.”
Such is the testimony of a practical scientist and experimenter, and we know his testimony is true as regards theoretical astronomy. We could quote other testimonies, but as we have already given proof that such “frauds” are practised, we think it unnecessary to do so here.
Here is a handy chart to print out and take on experiments or show others. This tells you various distances an object would be below the horizon. IF YOU STILL SEE some object at this distance then “We have a problem Huston.!” By the way, the mathematicians gave us this figure based on the earth being 25,000 miles in circumference, using spherical trigonometry.
Print this out and take it with you when you talk about the flat earth.