Flat Earth Debate 27 September 2021

Flat Earth Debate

Sept 27 converstion

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Tis Better To Be Ignorant Than To Learn So Much That Isn’t True

Tis Better To Be Ignorant Than To Learn So Much That Isn’t True

Ignorant Child

So, is the story with this little boy shown here. What would happen to him IF he realizes that all that he was told was a lie? He could lose all faith in knowledge.

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Daylight Debunks The Globe

Daylight Debunks The Globe

Daylight debunks the globe

Click here for the video. The text of the video is below.

One simple and definitive proof that you are not living on a spinning ball orbiting around the Sun is the fact that daytime and nighttime never switch places as they must for the heliocentric model to be true. According to the globe doctrine, Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis every 24 hours, while simultaneously orbiting around the Sun and completing one full revolution every 365 days. If this was truly happening however, as you can see from the following image, the daytime and nighttime sides of the globe would have to flip every 6 months.

For a more detailed illustration of this, imagine the Sun rising at 6am in New York on the Summer solstice. After 3 months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 90 degrees from its previous position and a quarter turn away from the Sun, meaning that sunrise in New York during the Autumnal equinox should now be happening at midnight. After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be on the complete opposite side of the Sun, 180 degrees from its starting position, so that sunrise in New York during the Winter solstice should be happening at 6pm, or in other words, daytime and nighttime would have completely flipped from 6 months earlier. After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 270 degrees from its original position, and sunrise in New York during the Spring equinox should be happening at noon.

In reality, as you can test and observe for yourself, this simply does not happen and remains yet another nail in the globe’s coffin. Globe apologist naysayers make either one of two ridiculous claims in an attempt to excuse away this clear problem in their model. Their first defense is to claim that days are not actually 24 hours long, but instead only 23:56 long, and this 4 minute difference per day fixes the math allowing day and night to flip. Now it is true that there are two kinds of days known as solar days and sidereal days, and sidereal days are in fact 23:56 minutes long, but solar days, which everyone on Earth sets their clocks by, are exactly 24 hours in duration. Sidereal days, which nobody sets their clocks by, are actually how long the fixed stars take to make one revolution over and around our Earth plane. As you can observe and measure for yourself, the constellations rotate just slightly faster than the Sun, so that they take exactly 23:56 minutes to come back to their starting point, while the Sun takes exactly 24 hours to come back to its starting point.

Firstly, the fact that sidereal and solar days both exist and are not exactly the same duration, is yet another proof that the stars and Sun are moving and not the Earth. If the apparent movement of the stars and Sun was actually the result of us living on a spinning globe, as we’re told, then there would and could only be one duration of day, namely, the amount of time it takes to complete one full rotation. The fact that there are two different durations of rotation time for the Sun and stars just further proves that they are moving at their own unique speeds over and around a motionless, fixed Earth. Secondly, if globe apologists want to claim solar days are now suddenly only 23:56 minutes, then why hasn’t anyone in history ever noticed that our 24 hour clocks, which billions of people have used for thousands of years, actually fall behind reality 4 minutes every single day!? The reason is because it doesn’t happen, and trying to claim solar days are the same duration as sidereal days just shows the disingenuous lengths these zealots will go to cling onto their false cosmology.

Their next defense, even more ridiculous than the first, is to claim that the Earth actually must complete 361 degrees of rotation per day, and that that somehow makes up for it. They completely redefine what a “day” means and claim, instead of a day being one full 24 hour rotation of the globe as we have always been taught, a “day” now suddenly means “the amount of rotation until the Sun reaches the same point in the sky,” which they say is approximately 361 degrees. With this excuse, however, new problems arise because the globe’s supposed orbit around the Sun is actually elliptical, so depending where/when during its revolution around the Sun, the Earth’s rotation on its axis would have to be both speeding up and slowing down at different times of the year just to maintain their new definition of what a “day” means. But of course in their own model, the Earth’s alleged rotation never speeds up or slows down and remains constant always. They cannot have it both ways, but like the kid who wants to have his cake and eat it too, these leaps of logic pose no problem for the willfully ignorant.

For the fearlessly inquisitive critical thinkers out there, if you still believe you live on a big blue marble spinning faster than the speed of sound, please find some time to watch our new feature documentary, LEVEL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wffli…

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One simple and definitive proof that you are not living on a spinning ball orbiting around the Sun is the fact that daytime and nighttime never switch places as they must for the heliocentric model to be true. According to the globe doctrine, Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis every 24 hours, while simultaneously orbiting around the Sun and completing one full revolution every 365 days. If this was truly happening however, as you can see from the following image, the daytime and nighttime sides of the globe would have to flip every 6 months.

For a more detailed illustration of this, imagine the Sun rising at 6am in New York on the Summer solstice. After 3 months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 90 degrees from its previous position and a quarter turn away from the Sun, meaning that sunrise in New York during the Autumnal equinox should now be happening at midnight. After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be on the complete opposite side of the Sun, 180 degrees from its starting position, so that sunrise in New York during the Winter solstice should be happening at 6pm, or in other words, daytime and nighttime would have completely flipped from 6 months earlier. After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 270 degrees from its original position, and sunrise in New York during the Spring equinox should be happening at noon.

In reality, as you can test and observe for yourself, this simply does not happen and remains yet another nail in the globe’s coffin. Globe apologist naysayers make either one of two ridiculous claims in an attempt to excuse away this clear problem in their model. Their first defense is to claim that days are not actually 24 hours long, but instead only 23:56 long, and this 4 minute difference per day fixes the math allowing day and night to flip. Now it is true that there are two kinds of days known as solar days and sidereal days, and sidereal days are in fact 23:56 minutes long, but solar days, which everyone on Earth sets their clocks by, are exactly 24 hours in duration. Sidereal days, which nobody sets their clocks by, are actually how long the fixed stars take to make one revolution over and around our Earth plane. As you can observe and measure for yourself, the constellations rotate just slightly faster than the Sun, so that they take exactly 23:56 minutes to come back to their starting point, while the Sun takes exactly 24 hours (4 minutes longer) to come back to its starting point.

Firstly, the fact that sidereal and solar days both exist and are not exactly the same duration, is yet another proof that the stars and Sun are moving and not the Earth. If the apparent movement of the stars and Sun was actually the result of us living on a spinning globe, as we’re told, then there would and could only be one duration of day, namely, the amount of time it takes to complete one full rotation. The fact that there are two different durations of rotation time for the Sun and stars just further proves that they are moving at their own unique speeds over and around a motionless, fixed Earth. Secondly, if globe apologists want to claim solar days are now suddenly only 23:56 minutes, then why hasn’t anyone in history ever noticed that our 24 hour clocks, which billions of people have used for thousands of years, actually fall behind reality 4 minutes every single day!? The reason is because it doesn’t happen, and trying to claim solar days are the same duration as sidereal days just shows the disingenuous lengths these zealots will go to cling onto their false cosmology.

Their next defense, even more ridiculous than the first, is to claim that the Earth actually must complete 361 degrees of rotation per day, and that that somehow makes up for it. They completely redefine what a “day” means and claim, instead of a day being one full 24 hour rotation of the globe as we have always been taught, a “day” now suddenly means “the amount of rotation until the Sun reaches the same point in the sky,” which they say is approximately 361 degrees. With this excuse, however, new problems arise because the globe’s supposed orbit around the Sun is actually elliptical, so depending where/when during its revolution around the Sun, the Earth’s rotation on its axis would have to be both speeding up and slowing down at different times of the year just to maintain their new definition of what a “day” means. But of course in their own model, the Earth’s alleged rotation never speeds up or slows down and remains constant always. They cannot have it both ways, but like the kid who wants to have his cake and eat it too, these leaps of logic pose no problem for the willfully ignorant.

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Thank You

I would like to thank Nicolas S. for his kind donation. It is much appreciated!

The reason why I’m making this as a post and not a personal message to him is because I can’t get into my PayPal account and I don’t want to keep him waiting for a response. I just lost my mobile phone which means that I can’t get into my PayPal account as they always ask for second verification by sending a text that has a 6 digit number. If I don’t find my phone today, I’ll buy a new one. By the way this phone is not a iPhone so there is no tracking capabilities on it and the monetary loss is little as it was bought in 2009. IF I have to buy another phone, I’ll get another old one (so Big Brother knows less about my whereabouts 😉

Take care and God bless.

Richard

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Quotes of Lies

Quotes of Lies

Quotes of Lies

Presented are some great information to defend a stationary Earth. Make sure to take notes.

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NASA Faking Space & Postponing

NASA Faking Space & Postponing

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Faking space

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Foundations of Many Generations

Foundations of Many Generations

A short excerpt from this old flat earth booklet.

Claudius Ptolemy, the great astronomer, had the advantage over
Copernicus in that he was a geographer as well as an astronomer,
whereas the latter held some dignities in the cathedral of Thorn in
Prussia. As a geographer Ptolemy knew the absolute importance of
the stability of the four cardinal points, outside of which topography
and accurate orientation are an impossibility. Now the four cardinal
points are fixed points in the sky, as acknowledged from time
immemorial, hence we are able, by them, to plot correctly any given
point on the Earth.

Logically it would be impossible, if the Earth revolved, to make
use of the cardinal points as fixed points in the sky, for the relation of
any given place in the rotating Earth toward them must continually
change. It would be like attempting to plot a point within a fast
running wheel of a motor car in relation to a fixed spot outside.
The force of this argument is sometimes evaded by saying that
the cardinal points of the compass are imaginary points, but that
will never do. The most exacting sciences are based upon the four
points of the compass, such as the science of survey, cartography,
and, of course, navigation. Millions have trusted their lives upon
this reality of the four cardinal points. When the skies are covered
the captain at sea has only his compass and his chart to guide him, and
the life of one and all on board depends upon the points of the compass
being a verity.

“ The North and the South Thou hast created them.”
Psalm, 89; 12.

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NASA Comedy Hour

NASA Comedy Hour

If you really know science as flat earthers do, then you can laugh at the nonsense that NASA comes out with. Here is a video about this.

As a side note, I just read that NASA is requiring all employees to be vaccinated. So, some employees are forming a group of vaccinated and unvaccinated to ban together against this policy; to all get fired if that is what it takes. They know that NASA will not be able to replace them all.

My thoughts on this is, IF NASA does this, all they will have to do is outsource the work to upworks.com or fiverr.com and just have CGI’s made and the people will not know the difference. At the same time, NASA will still be able to collect billions of dollars per year from the government and work without employees. Time will tell what will happen. But otherwise, it would be great if all employees get together and do this. Perhaps this will bring people to their senses.

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NASA comedy hour

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Does The Earth Rotate?

Does The Earth Rotate?

From an old flat earth booklet.

ECLIPSE IN THE MOON.

I t is said the diameter of the moon is about 2,160 miles,
and that of the earth about 8,000. It is also stated that
the moon’s motion round the earth works out 3.t about thirty seven
miles per minute, while in its journey round the sun
the earth travels along at about 1,080 miles per minute. Now
supposing the shadow cast by the earth on the moon is equal
to half its (the earth’s) diameter—4,000 miles is an outside
estimate, as the shadow would tend to converge. And if
these figures, given by astronomers of the earth’s and moon’s
motion are correct, readers will see it is impossible for an
eclipse to last in the moon’ for more than seven minutes,
although ellipses have been known to last for over four hours,
so that this shows the eclipse.- cannot possibly be caused by
the shadow of the earth’s rotation.

It is known that there are dark bodies in the heavens,
and eclipses may be caused by the periodical motion of one
of these. In any case, eclipses are no proof of the earth’s
rotundity.

It is argued that the shadow cast on the moon is generally
circular. A circular shadow is not necessarily cast by a
moving globe. It can be demonstrated in a room with one
light. Take a ball or orange and place a flat ruler, so that
its shadow is cast upon the ball, arid it will be seen that its
shadow is curved or circular, it could not be otherwise.
Again, where there is a gaslight with an ordinary mantel
over the kitchen table and with an ordinary plate or plates
underneath, although flat it throws a circular shade on the
table-cloth.

Just a word as to the shape of the earth which I consider
flat but possibly round like an ordinary plate,.—as the seven
seas run into each other this is surely agreeable to a fixed, fiat
earth.

The earth can be circumnavigated, but it is no proof
whatever that it is a globe or rotating.

HOW WE GET OUR SEASONS

Astronomers tell us that we get our seasons by a daily
rotating earth to a fixed sun, but I maintain that this is
absolutely impossible.

Earth rotate

E on the sketch is England, L, Labrador, North America

On a 12-in. globe I possess, I find Labrador is on the same
circle as England, and assuming that the earth rotates daily
to a fixed sun, both countries should receive exactly the same
heat as each other daily, but do they? No!

It should be precisely the same as a joint of meat turning
before the fire ; that is, where it turns to the fire in the same
circle, such as the position of E and L in the illustration. The
joint of meat would of course receive the same heat at each
revolution to the fire, and certainly L could not freeze for
weeks at a stretch, while E was quite warm for the same period.
Readers, you can readily see that my theory is the correct
one, and that we get winter and summer by the sun travelling
over our fixed earth, and certainly not by the earth rotating
to a fixed sun.

Astronomers inform us that the sun is at a greater distance
from us in summer than it is in winter, as may be seen in
orbit illustration in school book. Can anyone imagine a
more unreasonable proposition? There might have been some
reason in the theory, if the earth had made one revolution
in twelve months, for then if the sun had been a fixture and
it took the earth six months to rotate half the way, and this
half of the earth turning before the sun would have given
some reason for concluding that the other half of the earth,
that had not come into position, or faced the sun for six
months, would be having its winter months; and the other
half that had kept turning before the sun for six months
would be having its summer months.

If, however, our earth makes one revolution each day,
then Labrador, which is in North America, and in the same
circle as England, or same latitude north, which readers will
see by consulting the rotating globe, that represent the earth
as used at school, should have the same climate and each day
of same length. This should be the same for each place
of the same latitude. We are, however, aware that the
weather is very severe at Labrador, when it is midsummer
in England, and also that the day is of short duration, and
these facts alone should convince readers, without a shadow
of doubt, that I am correct in saying that it is utterly
impossible, for all of us in this world, to get our seasons as
we now get them, except by the sun passing nearer to us in
summer over our fixed earth and then farther away during
the winter months.

This is undoubtedly the cause of winter and summer and
our seasons. I might mention that a great part of Russia
in addition to Labrador, referred to, comes in the same circle
as England.

If readers will only carefully examine a 12in. globe
(the size will enable you to see the various places in the world
printed on it) and if they will rotate the globe, in front of a
lamp to represent the sun shown in illustration, it will be
found that it would have been impossible to get these places
in position when rotating the globe, to work correctly with
the astronomers’ theory’, and to me the whole rotation thereof
is undoubtedly a false one and will be found upon examination
to be ridiculous.

I might mention that it cannot be said that the water
is the cause of the climate being much more severe in Russia
than that of England, for it will be seen, that the region I
refer to in Russia is on the same circle on the globe as England
and is hundreds of miles distant from any sea or canal. It
is entirely all land, and ought to be warmer.

I therefore maintain that as the climate and seasons at
Labrador in North America, Warsaw and Moscow in Russia,
Kamchalka in Siberia, and numerous other -places in Russia,
are quite different to the climate in England each day, although
it should be precisely the same, please refer to globe, this fact
alone must be a positive proof that the earth does not rotate
daily before the sun as illustration.

Readers must remember too, that from December 21st
the sun begins to travel nearer to us each day till June 21st.
The heat from the sim accumulates and gradually warms
the atmosphere until the end of March, when then we begin
to feel it quite dry. Then as you are aware, each day from
March, the sun gets nearer and nearer, until at mid-day on
June 21st the sun has arrived overhead, and seeing that the
air in March was dry and the heat still accumulating till June,
with the sun getting nearer and more overhead, this causes
the earth and atmosphere to be very warm and hence summer
is upon us to grow our crops.

Now as readers are aware, it is then midwinter in New
Zealand. Why is it midwinter in New Zealand when midsummer
in England ? Why ? Because the sun has kept
away from that country ; it has taken a direction over England.
Why is it midwinter with us six months hence? Why?

It is because the sun from June 21st begins to travel nearer
and nearer to New Zealand every day and night for six months
till it finally arrives at a position overhead, and then it is of
course summer at that place. Often the weather is very
warm in England at the end of August and September, and
often as warm as it is in summer, although the sun has been
travelling farther away from us then for several weeks. The
reason for this is, that the heat had accumulated so fast,
that we found the weather very warm, even after the sun
had left the position of being overhead as is the case in June.
Take the 21st of September till the 21st of December and note
how gradually day after day, we begin to find winter weather
coming upon us, as day by day the sun gradually moves
further from us through the heavens. There can be nothing
more simple for one to understand how we get our seasons
with a fixed earth and a travelling sun.

The astronomers inform us that in June my garden and
also your garden slope different to what they do in December,
and this is the cause of summer.

As my garden is a part of the earth, and my house is built
upon a part of the garden, which was levelled when built,
by the aid of a spirit level, and I find it is of the same level
to-day as it was twenty years ago, when built, and the same
level now while I am writing, which is in the month of June,
as it was last December, surely there can be nothing more
ridiculous than to imagine and say that each garden and
building throughout the world slopes towards the sun in June
of each year while it does not in December. What would
really happen with the very high buildings, high chimney
stacks, church towers, etc., if the earth where they are built
upon, altered its level every six months, would they be
perpendicularly upright.

May I ask is it worth while assuring pupils at school that
this kind of thing takes place in June and that this is the
cause of our summer?

In seriously thinking over the question one cannot but
come to the conclusion, that the Creator caused the sun to
travel over our fixed earth, in the various directions, to give
warmth to grow our crops in each country. If the Creator
had caused the sun to take one direction only all the year
round some countries would get no heat to grow their crops
and if the Creator had made the sun a fixture and caused the
earth to rotate daily, surely it is easy to see, that we should
not get the seasons as we now get them, it would be quite
impossible, utterly impossible.

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Flat Earth Answers Biblical Questions

Flat Earth Answers Biblical Questions

dome-under-1Knowing the Flat Earth Truth Answers a Christian’s Questions

I had been a Christian all my life and it was just recently that I learned about the flat earth. Before I learned about the geocentric model I had some questions in the back of my mind. These unanswered questions did not shake my faith in Christ but they were questions anyhow.

Some of the questions I had were as follows:

“God must be busy in some other part of the universe to know what is going on here.”

“I wonder if the other intelligent life on other planets are free from sin?”

“If there are other civilizations that have sin, how can their sins be washed away unless God has more than one son?”

“Since we are told that there was no death until there was sin by Adam, does that mean there was no death on other planets?”

“If there was death on other planets, then are they in some other time frame to explain that?”

“Are we part Alien, as claimed by people like David Icke? If so, where does that leave us and the promises in the Bible that we are God’s Children?”

“Would we still be Yahweh, God’s Children if we are DNA re-arrangement by some Alien race?”

“In John 3:16, it says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes on him shall not die but have ever-lasting life. Then, how would others be saved on other planets? It means that everyone else is without sin – if the Bible is true. Or, Yahwheh, God has more than one Son, so wouldn’t this be a conflict of statement?”

“We are told that Heaven is above us. So, is this meant figuratively or are we to believe this literally?”

Of course, there are other questions that could have been asked but I never thought of it as I didn’t take the other Bible verses literally (which we should have in light of the geocentric model of the earth). One such verse I didn’t think of is that “everyone would see Christ coming on the clouds.” Verses like that and without knowing about the flat earth facts, I had to make this verse fit my belief. This is what we all do, instead of thinking “outside of the box,” we do some mental gymnastics to make everything fit. Of course, there are those who simply lose faith, and this is sad.

With everyone seeing Christ, I, personally just accepted this at face value and not tried to figure out the mechanics of it. I believe that once you have this attitude, you are better off. Your getting to Heaven does not depend on you knowing all the answers in the Bible, you just have to know the most important one, which is, “No one comes to God except through Jesus Christ,” plain and simple.

As you can see, I had some answered questions. Though this did not weaken my faith in God’s holy word, I just had some unanswered qustions, which are now answered now that I have stuided the flat earth information. I hope you do, too.

Once you know about the flat earth, the true nature of what stars and planets are, and that there is a firmament or dome over the earth, then many of the above questions are answered. For example, that we on earth are the only people “out there,” (with the exception of Angels of the Heavenly Host), you’ll know that there are no other planets much less other planets with ETs on them. So, this answers questions about sin, Christ is the only Son of God, and that there are no other people to be saved.

When we are told in the Bible that “heaven is above” us, it has much more meaning than if this is a universe with a billions light years of space all around and that we live on a globe. For example, where would “above” be? Would it be above Germany 500 million light years, or would it be above Austrailia, which is “down under,” and 1 billion light years away? Where would heaven be? And if God is there, He certainly would not a personal God being so far away.

Where would “above” be, going from the top of the planet, from the equator, or from “down under”? And, how many light years “above” would that be, 1,000 or 1,565,000 light years? And, what galaxy would that be behind? And, what constellation would that be behind? And, what planet would it be on or be behind? This is not “above”!

Now, if Heaven is, say, 3,000 miles above and with us being on a flat earth, this “above” is literally the same for everyone; then the words of God has much more meaning. Of course, when the Bible was written the ancient world believed in the flat earth and that we were the only ones here and not aliens who could visit us and do us harm.

Flat earth facts fits in well with the Bible.

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