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With this day being the 25th anniversary of 9-11, here’s a documentary what the media will not tell you. This is another lie that they use to control us.

Yes, there is enriched radioactive material but it doesn’t not create a nuke. The radiation that takes thousands of years to disintegrate is actually the safest. Check out the fake videos taken in the 1950s and decide for yourself.
OK guys, try to keep your eyes off the boobs and listen to the video. 🙂
After watching this video, you can understand how people believe in NASA lies. NASA can produce the most ludicrous CGI videos and they will believe it. Here are people who are not taught basic geography in school. Teachers should be fired. Maybe they don’t know about geography themselves. You probably could fly these people to Mexico and tell them it’s Alaska and they’ll believe it.
The host also asks very basic math questions, which they all got wrong. So, would they understand 8 inches to the mile squared? Hell no! I think that many people are too far gone to reach them with the truth, and that is exactly how the real rulers of the world want it.
This guy should ask what kind of jobs they have. Keep this in mind the kind of people working in various jobs, then you’ll understand how you can’t get anything done. My wife is dealing with the most think-headed lawyers that it’s no wonder. Even their job, which has nothing to do with geography, their intelligence is so low they can’t even function in their job. And to think that they are paid large sums of money is beyond belief.
I’m not just picking on Americans, I bet much of Europe is the same way.

This is a revealing article, which you can read at the link below:
This is not simply about domestic flights within Russia. Zelensky is talking about international flights.
Think about it. Why would Zelensky be concerned about domestic flights operating entirely within Russia? He has no control over them. Yet a letter was sent to the secretary general of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which strongly suggests that the real issue is foreign and international flights passing through Russian airspace.
The article states that Ukrainian newspaper Zerkalo Nedeli reported that Infrastructure Minister Nikolay Kalashnik sent a letter to Juan Carlos Salazar, secretary general of the ICAO, calling for action against flights through Russian airspace.
The head of the ICAO, or any other international organization, has no direct control over Russia. So why appeal to the ICAO? Why pressure European leaders to stop flights?
The obvious implication is that international flights are still passing through Russian airspace despite the war in Ukraine.
This raises a larger question.
Flight controllers, pilots, co-pilots, and navigators understand the routes aircraft actually fly. From my perspective, these routes do not make sense according to the conventional globe model. Instead, they appear to follow routes that make much more sense on a flat-earth model.
That would also suggest that, even during wartime, there are international understandings that allow certain civilian aircraft to continue using airspace that might otherwise be considered politically or militarily restricted.
Consider an example from the war in Ukraine. There was reportedly an emergency involving a flight travelling from Hong Kong toward California that resulted in the aircraft landing in eastern Russia. I do not recall all the details, but I previously discussed the incident elsewhere. A medical emergency forced the aircraft to land in a Russian city.
Most passengers probably had no reason to think about whether their flight would pass over Russia. However, once an emergency landing became necessary, the aircraft’s location could no longer be ignored.
In my view, passengers are generally not encouraged to think too deeply about these routes because doing so might raise questions about the conventional model of the earth.
On a globe, a passenger looking at a map may assume that a flight from Southeast Asia to California should simply travel directly across the Pacific. Yet many actual routes travel far to the north before turning south again toward their destinations.
Why?
From my perspective, the explanation is simple: aircraft are following the shortest practical route across the earth, travelling through or near Russia, Alaska, and then onward toward California.
The governments of the world, including Russia and China, continue to support the conventional idea of a spinning globe. Their space programmes are part of that public presentation.
To me, this suggests an extraordinary level of international agreement. Even nations that are political or military rivals continue supporting the same basic story.
Another example is Antarctica.
Russia and China have not withdrawn from the Antarctic Treaty system or openly challenged the restrictions governing activities there. If either country truly wanted to break with the international order, it could attempt much more extensive exploration of Antarctica’s interior.
Yet they do not.
This again suggests that there are certain international agreements that nations continue to honour even when they are hostile toward one another in other areas.
Russia could also prevent foreign aircraft from crossing its territory if it wanted to. It could restrict access to aircraft from friendly countries such as China, India, or Turkey while denying access to nations supporting Ukraine.
If Russia did that, the consequences for international aviation could be significant.
Flights between Europe and China, Southeast Asia, and other parts of Asia could become considerably longer. Some aircraft might require additional fuel stops. Airlines would face greater fuel expenses, longer flight times, crew scheduling difficulties, and increased operating costs.
Those additional costs would eventually be passed on to passengers.
People would naturally begin asking questions:
Why is my flight taking so much longer?
Why is there now an additional stop?
Why has the ticket price increased so dramatically?
Why has the route suddenly changed?
Once people begin studying airline routes for themselves, some may begin questioning whether the geographical explanations they have always been given make sense.
That, I believe, is something governments would rather avoid.
The situation becomes even more complicated because of the conflict involving Iran and the wider Middle East.
If commercial airlines must avoid large areas of Middle Eastern airspace because of drones, missiles, military aircraft, or other dangers, airlines could be forced to make even greater detours.
Depending upon the circumstances, commercial aircraft might need to avoid areas involving Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, and some of the Gulf states.
That creates another problem: where would the alternative routes go?
Could aircraft travel farther west toward Egypt before turning toward India and Asia? Would that route be practical?
Could some flights be forced much farther north or even across the Atlantic toward the United Kingdom and Canada before eventually continuing toward Asia?
Such routes could involve additional stops, far longer journeys, and dramatically higher operating costs.
Some journeys that are already long could become extremely difficult and expensive.
This is why Russia’s airspace is so important.
Closing Russian airspace entirely to airlines connected with countries supporting Ukraine would create a major problem for international aviation. It would also draw enormous public attention to the routes aircraft actually use.
I suspect that many presidents, prime ministers, and chancellors in Europe do not personally know the technical details of how international flight routes are planned. They rely upon aviation authorities, advisers, pilots, navigators, and organizations such as the ICAO.
If major changes to Russian airspace suddenly forced airlines to explain radically different routes to the public, those officials might themselves begin asking questions.
That is one reason I do not believe Zelensky’s demand will succeed.
If Vladimir Putin truly wanted to retaliate against the European Union in a way that would immediately affect international travel and commerce, he could severely restrict flights over Russian territory. He could allow aircraft from friendly nations such as Turkey, India, and China while denying access to others.
Would such a move hurt European airlines and passengers?
Absolutely.
Would it disrupt international business?
Certainly.
Would it force people to pay much closer attention to the geography of international air travel?
I believe it would.
But will Putin actually do it?
I doubt it.
Despite the hostile speeches, sanctions, threats, and military conflict, there are still international systems that continue operating behind the scenes. Aviation is one of the clearest examples.
Governments may fight wars, impose sanctions, and condemn one another publicly while still cooperating in areas necessary to keep international commerce functioning.
That is why I believe Zelensky’s demand for a broad international flight ban involving Russian airspace will ultimately go nowhere.
The International Civil Aviation Organization and the governments involved may listen to the request. There may be political statements and diplomatic pressure.
But a genuine worldwide shutdown of flights through Russian airspace would create enormous complications for airlines, passengers, businesses, and governments.
For that reason, I do not believe it will happen.
Zelensky can demand it.
The political leaders can discuss it.
The ICAO can receive the letters.
But when the economic and practical consequences are considered, I believe the answer will effectively be:
No.
Mark my words. This flight ban will not happen.
We know that having the people believe in a spinning globe earth with billions of planets and stars is a way to control the people. To explore this deeper, let’s go back many centuries to find out what other methods are used to control people.
If you want to take over a country, you can go to war with it. But this causes some problems – namely, that you always have to use military force and risk the lives of your own people. The people of the conquered nations will always see enemy as a distinct people.
Now, the enemy, which we’ll leave unnamed, knows this. So, starting back many centuries ago, they used religion of the host nation. By changing the religion of the people, one doctrine at a time, they were successful in doing this.
I don’t know about other religions, but I do know about Christianity, and this is where I will focus this article on.
The following are the changes made. I will not list them in order, as I don’t know if anyone can accurately say when such-and-such was doctrine in the Bible was changed, but this is not important for our research. What is, are doctrinal changes have been made.
And more, that I won’t get into now.
The enemy of Yahweh, God, wants to destroy His creation but first they had to take over His people first. They know that using war is a dangerous and costly way to do so. Being conniving people that they are, they had devised another method that they did this centuries ago. Back over 1,000 years ago, most people in Europe were Christian and they went to church every week. So, these children of the devil knew that if their religion was changed, they could control the people; that the people do whatever they were told to do.
So, the enemies of Christ, by whatever name they go by, had sneaked into the church, became the clergy, scholars and priests to make this change. They also bribed those who were already in such positions of power in the Catholic church and later, in the many Protestant denominations, to implement these changes.
One way to have influence of these people is to find their weaknesses. Such as a sex scandal, lewd behaviour or outright giving them money. Once something could be pinned on them, that was against Christian law, they had these scholars and priest in their pocket to do their bidding.
If you look over the above list, these are the areas you want to change in order to have willing people to follow their dictates. Let’s go over each one in a little more detail.
The Catholics did not allow their congregation to read the Bible
By not allowing people to own their own Bible and not even allowing them to read it, the priest could read only what they want them to know and give his meaning of such verses. This worked until Martin Luther came along with the Protestant Reformation which brought the Bible into Christian homes.
That we must obey the government
This is a major goal of the Anti-Christs, that we must obey the government. What the Catholic and Protestants were telling their people was a distortion of Romans 13, where we must obey Ceaser. But reading it in context, it talks about a godly government, not one of Rome or like we have today. Also, they have taught, and quite heavily in the past 100 years is, “The law was done away with. It was nailed to the cross. We are under grace.” etc. It’s too much to go into detail here but just let me say that when we read that Christ fulfilled the law, fulfilled does not mean replace. After all, in the Old Testament we are told not to murder and not to steal, yet today this is recognized. So, why hasn’t this been “done away with”? Christians don’t have an answer for this. They think that we should not obey God’s laws, but we should obey man’s laws. In effect, they are elevating man higher than God.
Books have been written on this subject and many sermons, too. For more information go to ChristianIdentityChruch.wordpress.com or ScripturesForAmerica.org, for example, to read and hear more.
We should not judge others
This is another big lie – that we should not judge others. this is something you hear in churches often, yet this is another sign of hypocrisy. These same misguided Christians turn around and elect judges; they sit on juries and this is OK. If we should not judge others, what kind of society will we have? If they read the Bible, they’ll see a book called, Judges. Before ancient Israel had a monarchy, they had a government of judges. God gave us instructions on how to judge – judge righteously, that is.
Christians should be pacifists
Christians should be pacifists. You hear this from those who should know better. They are great at quoting scripture but it’s only certain verses, and some of what they do quote, is taken out of context. To get people to be pacifists is exactly what the Anti-Christs want you to do. Even those who are not in on this conspiracy – the common criminal – loves this, as it allows them free reign. If a person is a pacifist but lives in a country that allows guns, he/she would not buy a gun to protect themselves. An invading army would love, this, too.
To illustrate more cognitive dissonant, on the one hand they would not lift a finger to defend their home but if they are told to go off to war and are given a weapon and told how to fight, they’ll do it. Go figure!
Changes in the Bible
If all this was not enough, the Satanists were busy in the 20th century in changing our Bibles. One Bible known as The Scofield Reference Bible, by jewish Cyrus I. Scofield is filled with lies. Then, there were many other versions made. The publishers claim that this was to bring it up to modern English. Which it did, but it did much more than that. They changed some words while other words were taken out. Such is the case with The Living Bible, which Billy Graham promoted. Don’t forget the Bibles used by Jehovah’s Witness and the Mormons. With The Church of Latter-day Saints (Mormon’s), that is not enough, they have another religious books, too, that they hold alongside of the Bible.
God used the Big Bang and Evolution to start creation
With the pushing of the evolution starting in the 19th century, churches who were influenced by those who have an agenda of creating a non-Christian society, started pushing evolution in their churches, saying this is how God started His creation. When the Big Bang nonsense started, this was added to the evolution fairy tail and became part of the belief of misguided Christians.
It’s human nature that a person doesn’t want to be anti-science; to be known as ignorant, so, they just incorporated this into their Christian belief.
That God created the universe with billions of stars and planets
Finally, we get to the heliocentric, spinning ball earth, with billions of stars and planets.
There are two basic camps of Christians. One who believe in all the lies that are listed at the beginning of this article; that God’s laws were done away with; that those who hate God the most are God’s chosen people, that we should pacifists, etc. Then, there is every growing number of Christians know many of the conspiracies and lies that their government tells them. They are really good Christians; people who are awake as to who really runs the world, but they haven’t yet learned about the flat stationary earth. It is these people we have to reach. It is these people who are most likely listen to God’s word.
Those who hate Christ, those who want to destroy God’s people and His creation, is pushing this globe spinning earth in a vast Universe. You can see the increase in the intensity of propaganda in the past 100 years, with putting the spinning globe on every news broadcast, with putting this in school classrooms from the kindergarten up to high school; with the TV shows and moves of the past such as, Star Trek, 2001: A Space Odyssey, etc.
The purpose is to hide God
The whole purpose is, to hide God and to get people controlled by government. Many years, the laws that we have now would be illegal. Getting us to believe that we are just a speck in the Universe; that the Universe was made without God, leaves people to believe that all the answers are found in man-made laws, statues and judgements.
The governments of the world really push this. They push it to such a degree that it becomes a state religion. If you don’t believe in one or more from the list above, you will lose friends, family members, maybe even your job. However, there is in one part of the state religion, that if you don’t believe in it, you can go to prison and or get a fine.
You may ask which one is that?
In 26 countries in Europe, if you don’t believe that 6 million jews were killed in concentration camps during WWII, you can go to prison. Sound crazy? Check it out yourself. If you believe in 4 million, “Do not pass go, do not collect $200.” You can’t have our own opinion; you can’t come to another conclusion based on your research. You’ll go to jail. Do your own research to find out for yourself.
Now, if that isn’t the core of this whole state religion, I don’t know what is. True, if you don’t go along with what the government is pushing you get socially ostracized but that is about all.
In Summery
When the government and educational system keep pushing a topic, whether it be a war that it’s in, a certain part of history, and you can’t find an alternative information, that means that they are hiding the truth from you. When you do a search on Google for the flat earth, for example, all you get is sites that are critical to it. Then you can assume that they are lying to you. If you do find real alternative information, then you can be sure that the government is lying to you.
If you do a search on all the alternative things that are called “politically correct,” and you search for a site that gives reasons for an opposite belief and you can’t find it, that should be a red flag for you; that they are hiding something. For example, we are told that we should have diversity in our society; the media, educational system and government push it. This should tell you this is like a religion to them. So, find a site that talks about the dangers of diversity. Read it, does it make sense. Then make your decision. Start connecting the dots. When you do, you’ll see why this is pushed on society.
Do your research. Don’t believe me. But don’t act like you know if all if you don’t want to take time to find out what is the truth or not.
What’s underneath the earth is a question that is often asked by heliocentric believers. As a flat earth, we can honestly say we don’t know. That doesn’t prove that the earth is a globe – we have a ton of evidence that proves earth is flat.
As you might have heard in other videos, the deepest hole drilled was in Russia and this was nearly 8 miles deep. Then, they came to something so hard that they could not drill through it – not even the finest made cutting tool could go through it.
As a flat earth believer, we don’t know how deep the earth is as no one has ever been down there. No one has been beyond the edge either.
What globe earthers have to get out of their mind is the phony picture that suppose to represent the flat earth that is floating in space, from a profile view, with globs of earth hanging down.
What it could be, if you were to make a guess would be the dirt, tectonic plates, metal and whatever else there is, is all contained – something like a flower pot is. Again, this is a guess. One thing we can know for sure is, that God said He hanged the earth on nothing. So, you can be sure that it is not resting on anything either. I know that it’s hard to imagine, but don’t forget we have a finite mind.
To a heliocentric believer, 8 miles down is a fraction of what they say is the diameter of the earth. So, how in the heck do they know that there is a molten core of earth? They don’t! Eight miles down is probably closer to the real depth of earth. It could be one-half; it could be the bottom container.
The other side of the earth is not the important thing. We have a ton of facts that proves that earth is flat, stationary and that there are no other suns or planets in space.

Most people, when asked whether Donald Trump is a smart businessman, would probably answer yes. They would point to the skyscrapers carrying his name, the hotels, golf courses, branded products, television fame, and the casino empire he once operated. Even some of his political critics are willing to separate the businessman from the politician and say, “I may not like him politically, but he certainly knows how to make money.”
But is that reputation deserved?
A successful businessman should not be judged merely by the size of the buildings he owns, the publicity he receives, or the number of times his name appears on a sign. The more important questions are these: How was the business financed? How much debt was involved? How much control had to be surrendered to lenders? How often did creditors have to restructure the business? And how much of the apparent success depended upon borrowing enormous sums of money?
The Bible gives us a principle that applies directly to this subject: “The borrower is servant to the lender.” That principle is as relevant to a billionaire as it is to an ordinary working family.
Debt can certainly be a legitimate business tool. Nearly every major corporation borrows money at one time or another. But there is a tremendous difference between using debt carefully and becoming dependent upon it. When a business is heavily leveraged, the lender gains power. If revenues fall, interest rates rise, or economic conditions change, the borrower may suddenly find that the lender has far more influence over the future of the business than the owner does.
That is one reason Donald Trump’s business record deserves more scrutiny than it normally receives.
Trump himself did not file personal bankruptcy, but a number of businesses associated with him entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, but losing control is losing control. Chapter 11 allows a company to continue operating while negotiating with creditors and restructuring its debts. That distinction is important, but so is the pattern.
The Trump Taj Mahal entered bankruptcy protection in 1991 after being burdened by enormous debt, including high-interest junk bonds. As part of the restructuring, Trump surrendered a significant portion of his ownership interest in exchange for more favorable repayment terms.
The following year brought additional trouble. Trump Castle Hotel & Casino and Trump Plaza Casino went through restructuring, while the Plaza Hotel in New York also struggled beneath a massive debt load. In the Plaza Hotel restructuring, lenders received a substantial ownership interest while Trump retained a title but lost much of his actual operating authority.
Years later, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts entered bankruptcy protection in 2004 with billions of dollars in debt. Trump’s ownership position was reduced as bondholders agreed to restructure obligations.
Trump Entertainment Resorts entered bankruptcy again in 2009 after the financial crisis and declining casino revenues. Trump resigned as chairman, and his ownership position was reduced substantially.
Every business can encounter difficult times. Economic recessions happen. Markets change. Competitors emerge. A bankruptcy does not automatically prove that a businessman is incompetent.
But repeated financial restructuring raises legitimate questions about the underlying business philosophy.
A recurring problem in several of these ventures was heavy leverage. When a company borrows aggressively during good economic conditions, everything may appear successful. But when revenues begin to decline, the interest payments remain. Eventually, the company discovers that yesterday’s expansion has become today’s burden.
That is not merely a business lesson. It is a biblical one.
The borrower becomes servant to the lender.
Trump has always understood the value of branding. His greatest business asset may not have been any individual hotel or casino, but the Trump name itself.
That name came to represent luxury, wealth, success, and power. Even when particular businesses struggled, the brand remained valuable.
But branding can also create an illusion. A man can appear enormously successful because his name is everywhere while the underlying businesses may be carrying extraordinary debt.
There is a lesson here for ordinary people as well.
We live in a culture that frequently confuses appearance with prosperity. A man driving the newest luxury automobile may be buried in payments. A family living in an impressive house may be only a few missed paychecks away from serious trouble. A corporation may appear powerful while being dependent upon creditors.
Real financial strength is not measured merely by what a person controls. It must also be measured by what he owes.
Trump’s movement from business into politics created another problem: the Trump brand became inseparable from Donald Trump’s political identity.
That may be good politics among supporters, but it can create serious complications for a business.
A hotel wants customers from every political party. A golf course wants members regardless of how they vote. A business normally wants the broadest possible customer base.
Once a businessman becomes one of the most politically polarizing figures in America, however, every property bearing his name becomes political whether he intends it or not.
Some customers may patronize a Trump property specifically because they support him. Others may refuse to do business with any company associated with him because they oppose him.
That creates an unusual situation. The brand may become stronger among one group of people while becoming toxic to another.
For a politician, dividing people into political camps may sometimes be an effective strategy. For a businessman trying to sell hotel rooms, golf memberships, or consumer products, deliberately narrowing the potential customer base can be far more questionable.
Politics and business do not always mix comfortably.
There is another area where Trump’s business reputation deserves examination: tariffs.
Trump has repeatedly presented tariffs as a way to protect American manufacturing and encourage companies to produce goods in the United States. There can be legitimate arguments over when tariffs should be used and whether particular industries require protection.
But tariffs still create costs.
A tariff is generally collected from the company importing the product into the United States. The foreign manufacturer does not simply write a check to the U.S. government for the entire economic burden.
The importer pays the tariff.
The importing company then has several choices. It can absorb the additional expense and accept lower profits, attempt to negotiate a lower price from its supplier, find a different supplier, or pass some or all of the increased cost on to its customers.
In many cases, the consumer eventually pays at least part of the difference.
That creates uncertainty for businesses. If tariff rates change frequently, a company may struggle to calculate future costs. Should it place a large order today? Should it wait? Should it change suppliers? Should it raise prices? Can its customers afford those higher prices?
Businesses depend upon predictability.
The irony is that Trump, as a businessman himself, should understand that principle better than almost anyone.
Hotels, resorts, construction companies, and golf courses depend upon enormous supply chains. Furniture, electronics, building materials, machinery, appliances, fixtures, food products, textiles, and countless other items may come from foreign suppliers or contain imported components.
America is a powerful industrial nation, but it does not manufacture every product it consumes.
Therefore, sweeping or unpredictable tariffs can create difficulties even for companies owned by the people advocating them.
A businessman should understand that raising the cost of doing business usually has consequences somewhere down the line.
Government economic policy always creates winners and losers.
Policies that increase defense spending may benefit defense contractors and the companies that supply them. Technology companies may benefit from government contracts or favorable regulatory decisions. Manufacturers protected from foreign competition may benefit from tariffs, while companies dependent upon imported components may face higher costs.
That is why the relationship between political power and private business deserves constant scrutiny, regardless of who occupies the White House.
Public officials possess information and authority that ordinary investors do not have. They participate in negotiations, receive briefings, influence policy, and sometimes know about major government decisions before the general public does.
That creates an enormous ethical responsibility.
It is reasonable for citizens to demand transparency concerning the financial interests of presidents, members of Congress, senior officials, and their immediate families. But accusations of insider trading, secret enrichment, or improper financial dealings should not be treated as established fact merely because they sound plausible. Such claims require evidence.
The principle, however, remains important: no public official should use governmental authority or nonpublic information for personal financial gain.
Political office should be a public trust, not a private investment strategy.
This brings us back to the original question: Is Donald Trump a smart businessman?
Perhaps the answer depends upon what we mean by “smart.”
He clearly understands publicity. He understands branding. He understands negotiation. He has repeatedly survived circumstances that would have destroyed many other businessmen. He has built a name recognized throughout the world and successfully transformed that name from a business brand into a political movement.
Those accomplishments cannot simply be dismissed.
But there is another side to the record: enormous borrowing, repeated corporate bankruptcies, surrendered equity, creditor negotiations, failed casinos, and a business brand that has become inseparably tied to one of the most divisive political figures in modern American life.
That record deserves examination rather than blind admiration.
More importantly, Christians should ask a deeper question.
Even if a man gains billions of dollars, owns buildings around the world, commands political power, and becomes known by virtually everyone on earth, what has he actually gained if he loses what is eternal?
Jesus asked:
“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” — Mark 8:36–37
Matthew records the same warning:
“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
That question applies to Donald Trump, but it also applies to every one of us.
Money is not the final measurement of success. Buildings are not. Political power is not. Public fame is not. A man may negotiate successfully with banks, creditors, corporations, foreign governments, and political opponents, but eventually he must answer to an authority with whom there is no negotiation.
The great danger is not bankruptcy in a casino, hotel, or corporation.
The far greater danger is spiritual bankruptcy.
A man may spend his entire life building an empire only to discover that he neglected the one investment that mattered eternally.
That is the final lesson. The question is not merely whether Donald Trump is a smart businessman. The more important question is whether worldly success has become our definition of wisdom.
Christ gave us a different standard.
A man can gain the whole world and still lose everything.
The Edge of the Earth
What the Bible, Antarctica, and the Four Corners May Reveal
Flat Earth: Edge or No Edge?
Among people who believe the earth is flat, there is an ongoing disagreement over one particular question: Does the earth have an edge?
Some flat earthers believe there is no edge at all. Others believe there is a definite boundary. Dave Weiss, perhaps one of the best-known people promoting the flat-earth position, has suggested that there may be no edge, or that the earth could extend for an enormous distance beyond what we presently know, perhaps containing many additional continents.
Dave is also known for asking an important question on his podcasts: “Do you believe, or do you know?”
The distinction is worth considering. To believe something means that you accept it as true, although you may not have personally confirmed it. To know something implies a greater degree of certainty.
But when it comes to the question of an edge, whichever position a flat earther takes is still, to some degree, a belief.
Personally, I believe the earth has a definite edge. I do not believe there are millions of miles of unknown territory beyond Antarctica containing an endless number of undiscovered continents.
However, I also recognize that none of us has personally travelled to the outermost limits of the earth and returned with unquestionable proof of what is there. Therefore, when discussing the edge, we should admit that there are things we simply do not know.
I have heard, for example, about an old Tibetan map that supposedly showed approximately ten large islands or continents beyond what we know as the South Pole. Whether that map accurately represents reality is another question.
This brings us back to the difference between belief and knowledge.
There is nothing wrong with belief. In fact, the Bible repeatedly calls upon us to believe. So I do not want to turn this into an argument over semantics. The important thing is to recognize where our certainty ends and speculation begins.
Does an Endless Earth Create the Same Problem as an Endless Universe?
One criticism flat earthers often make of the modern cosmological model is that mankind is portrayed as insignificant.
We are told that the universe is unimaginably large, constantly expanding, and filled with billions upon billions of stars, planets, and galaxies. In that picture, mankind becomes little more than a tiny speck floating through an incomprehensibly vast universe.
Many flat earthers rightly object to the philosophical implications of that worldview. It can make man appear insignificant in relation to God’s creation.
Yet I see a possible contradiction when some flat earthers then suggest that the earth itself might extend for millions of miles beyond Antarctica, containing an unknown number of continents and civilizations.
Would that not create a similar problem?
If there are millions of miles of unknown lands stretching far beyond anything we know, mankind once again becomes a tiny and insignificant part of an enormous creation.
For me, the Bible provides a much clearer picture.
The Four Corners of the Earth
Revelation 7:1 says:
“After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.”
Many pastors, theologians, and seminary-trained teachers interpret the expression “four corners of the earth” as an ancient figure of speech referring to the four cardinal directions—north, south, east, and west—or simply to the entire earth.
I do not believe that explanation is necessarily required.
To me, the verse may be describing something more literal.
It also demonstrates something else that should not be overlooked: the incredible power of God’s angels.
There are numerous passages throughout Scripture describing angelic power. That subject deserves an article of its own, but it becomes important when we consider what might exist at the outer limits of the earth.
Everything in creation has limits.
A tree has a beginning and an end. A building has boundaries. A field has borders. A table has edges.
If something is flat and finite, what do we call its outer limit?
An edge.
Flat earthers generally believe there is also an upper boundary to the earth—the firmament. Likewise, there must be limits below.
So why should it be unreasonable to believe there is also an outer boundary?
Again, I admit there are things man does not know. An honest person should be willing to say, “I don’t know.”
Will mankind ever know exactly what lies at the outermost limits of the earth?
Perhaps not.
But that does not mean we cannot consider what Scripture tells us.
What Lies Beyond the Edge?
If there is an edge, what lies beyond it?
I do not claim to know.
Perhaps there is simply nothing beyond the created world.
We should remember that even what people call “space” would itself have to be created. If God created a finite earth for mankind, why assume He also created endless physical territory beyond it?
That leads to another important subject: Antarctica.
The Antarctic Treaty
The Antarctic Treaty raises questions that deserve serious consideration.
Nations that disagree on almost everything have nevertheless continued cooperating under an international system governing Antarctica.
Governments go to war. They violate treaties. They compete for territory. They fight over oil, minerals, trade routes, and natural resources.
Yet Antarctica remains subject to unusual international restrictions and agreements.
Why?
History shows that powerful nations are constantly searching for resources and strategic advantages. Governments have fought wars, supported revolutions, overthrown foreign governments, and used military power to secure economic interests.
So if enormous unexplored territories and natural resources existed beyond Antarctica, what would prevent major powers from attempting to claim them?
Why would countries such as the United States, Britain, Russia, China, and others simply agree to leave such territory alone?
I believe there may be a reason far greater than international diplomacy.
Could God’s Angels Guard the Boundaries?
I believe there may be a force capable of stopping any military power from going farther.
That force would not be another nation.
It would be the power of God.
The Bible gives us remarkable examples of what even one angel can do.
The same event is recorded in 2 Kings 19:35 and Isaiah 37:36, with another account in 2 Chronicles 32:21.
Second Kings 19:35 says:
“And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.”
Think about that.
One angel destroyed 185,000 soldiers.
No modern army, no matter how technologically advanced or heavily armed, could stand against the power of God if He chose to stop it.
Men may boast about their aircraft, missiles, armies, weapons, and military technology, but none of it compares with the power described in Scripture.
And that was only one angel.
Revelation 7:1 speaks of four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.
Could such angels have some connection with the boundaries of the earth?
I cannot prove that. It is speculation.
But the possibility is worth considering.
If there really is something preventing nations from going beyond a certain point, it would have to be something powerful enough to stop even the strongest military forces on earth.
Why Would Governments Hide It?
Suppose a military expedition attempted to go farther and encountered something it could not overcome.
Would governments admit what happened?
If they admitted that supernatural power prevented them from advancing, they would also have to admit something far more important: that God is real.
Not simply some vague spiritual force, but the God who created heaven and earth—the God revealed in the Bible.
That admission would have enormous consequences.
If the Bible is true, then mankind is not the product of meaningless chance.
That is why this subject goes far beyond the physical shape of the earth.
It ultimately becomes a question of authority.
Who rules mankind?
God or man?
The Greater Issue
If people can be convinced that there is no Creator, then they are much more likely to accept man as the highest authority.
Government becomes supreme.
Human institutions determine morality.
Man decides right and wrong.
But if the God of the Bible created heaven and earth, then governments themselves are accountable to Him.
They are no longer the highest authority.
That is what makes the issue so important.
Deuteronomy 28, for example, describes blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. Scripture repeatedly teaches that nations as well as individuals live under the authority of God.
This is why I believe the debate over the edge of the earth is about much more than geography.
Perhaps we will never physically stand at the outer boundary and look beyond it.
Perhaps there are details God has chosen not to reveal to us.
That is all right.
We should be willing to distinguish between what we know, what we believe, and what we merely speculate about.
But I believe there is a definite limit to the earth.
I believe Scripture gives us reason to consider the language of its “four corners” seriously.
And I believe no human military power would be capable of overcoming a boundary established and guarded by God.
Ultimately, the greatest question is not simply whether the earth has an edge.
The greater question is whether mankind will acknowledge the Creator who established its boundaries.
If Mystery Babylon can convince mankind that there is no God, then man is left with no higher authority than human government and human law.
But if God created heaven and earth, then His authority stands above every president, parliament, king, army, and government on earth.
That is what is really at stake.