Very Strange Reasoning by Globe Earth Believers

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Can’t Level Driveway

One argument that Kent Hovind said in one of his debunking videos is, he tried to level his driveway and try as he could, he couldn’t do it – or words to this effect. He was implying that since he couldn’t get his driveway exactly level, that supports the globe earth model. How stupid! The person he had on the video agreed with him, too.

Why doesn’t Kent try a carpenter’s level – it’s not rocket science! lol

Because you can’t make your driveway level does not prove a globe earth OR a flat earth.

Any construction worker or carpenter worth his salt will be able to get what they are working on level. If Kent told a master carpenter that his frame for a wall in the house is not level, he would show him that it is. If he persists, he would tell him to take a hike! When you don’t have something level it is because of the work that you did – NOT because the earth is a sphere!

If I lived in Kansas – which is a flat state – and I made my driveway on a slight incline, does that mean that the state is hilly? Of course not, but this is the silliness that some people go to, including science teachers, to “prove” that the earth is a globe.

By implication, does Kent Hovind think that because we live on a globe there there is no place on earth level?

If I live on a hill and I built my house on level ground and make a driveway on level ground, did I make the hill flat? Of course not, so why do people believe a statement like what Kent Hovind (and others like him) made?

Need I say more?

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So-Called Gravitational Stress

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Note: I have a new video posted in Video 3 Page. The title is: “Missile expert talks about flat earth”

In one of the videos by Kent Hovind on the flat earth, which I think is video 3, he talked about comets and said words to the effect, “Sometime comets break up as it comes to earth because of internal stress caused by gravity. The pull on the front end as it approaches the earth is greater than on the back end. This creates internal stress and the comet breaks up.” Now, when you think about this it’s really foolish! It makes me laugh.

If there was such as thing as “gravitational stress” then why doesn’t it happen to astro-nots when they return to earth? If this really happens, then you’d have the astro-nots pulled to the front of the space capsule as they return to the earth, while the “lessor gravity” is pulling his legs; then there would be internal stress and pull him apart – as it’s suppose to do with the rest of the capsule. You didn’t hear NASA saying that the Apollo capsules (when we were going to the moon) pulled apart upon entry.

When ‘we are told’ that satellites go to other planets, fly by them and continue on, we are not told that they are pulled apart. We are told that we have space probes on Mars and that they are taking pictures, taking soil samples, etc. Thus, they have not been pulled apart. Of course none of this exists but since we are told that they do exist, somehow these satellites are not broken up like comets. In short, what we are told about space by NASA and other space agencies is not consistent. And for a scientist like Kent Hovind believing this – it makes me wonder about him.

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Flat Earth Bible Study: Heaven Above The Earth

Flat Earth Bible Study: Heaven Above The Earth

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I thought I would bring a Bible study in the discussion of the flat earth. This topic would be the words “heaven and earth”. If we examine some of the verses that have the words “heaven” and “earth” we will see how this relates to the flat earth.

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

(Deu 4:39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

(Jos 2:11) And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Here, we are plainly told that earth is beneath heaven. This has great importance in knowing the shape of the earth that we are living on.

If earth is a globe, as we are told, picture this: a globe earth and a section above it with heaven. You can draw this as an area either as big as earth or larger somewhere above. Now, what is wrong with this. Well, to some people heaven is above, but to the other half of the people, heaven is below – IF we live on a sphere.

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If you live in Canada, for example, and you see heaven above somewhere; you point up. Now, the people in New Zealand, if they point up, it would be in the opposite direction. So, that could not be heaven. To point to the section of the sky that the Canadians do, they would have to point BELOW, indicating through the earth to to the sky in their direction. This would not be above – as the Bible says.

If Heaven was only above one section of the earth, then even that section would not be under Heaven all the time; since ‘we are told’ that the earth spins, that means that half the day Heaven would be beneath you.

Here are some more verses:

(1Ki 8:23) And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

(Jer 31:37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

(Joh 3:31) He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

Now, a person like Kent Hovind would say, and did say in his flat earth video discussions that, “This is metaphor.” This is his blanket statement to any Bible verse that us flat eathers woud use. Read these verses carefully – do they sound like a metaphor?

Again, Kent has done good work in debunking evolutionists, but when he talks on the flat earth he is wrong. Picture this, someone who is not a Christian but is open to what they say, comes to someone who is a Christian but does not believe in the flat earth. Now, if he went to hear a sermon for the first time and it happened to be on debunking the flat earth, they would hear something like Hovind said in his video.

When this person hears: “Well this is a metaphor,” or “That is a metaphor.” and it doesn’t sound a like a metaphor to this person who is seeking the truth, what will he think? He’ll think, “Maybe the whole Bible is a metaphor or talking in symbolic language. If I need someone to “interpret” the Bible for me, I’ll leave it here in the pew and go my own way!”

What I’m saying is, that by wrong preaching, it turns people away from Christ and from becoming a Christian.

No matter what the intentions is of Kent and Company, they turn people away from the Gospel. But, thanks be Yahweh, God, that he knows the heart of man and will lead them to the truth – if they are really seeking it.

Back to heaven above the earth. For the sake of argument, say heaven is the size of the earth. You have the solar system we are told we live in. So, where would you place heaven that it would be above the earth? Would it be above the plane of the solar system? Would it be off the sheet of paper? If it was off the sheet of paper, would be be 100 miles from you? Would it be in the next country, north-east of your in the town of Branson, Missouri? So, how would this be above the people on the earth? After all if the universe is billions of light years in diameter, you could easily have Heaven 1,000 miles away from you. But even this would be small in comparison to where Heaven could be in relation to the earth.

You have millions of Christians who believe in the Universe but not in evolution and that it got started 6,000 years ago, like Hovind and Company. Then you have Christians who believe it took 13 billions years for us to get here but we were created by God somewhere along the way. What I’m saying is, no matter what these Christians believe in, they all have a problem of where to put Heaven. Of course, you have those who say that all these verse are NOT to be believed literally, so they create an easy cop out to escape dealing with the Bible verses.

In a Universe that is billions of light years in diameter (or whatever shape), no matter where you put Heaven, it will not be above all the people on earth – simply because you can’t do that on a globe. You can get Heaven above a part of the population but not the rest. Now, if you put Heaven somewhere so far away, let me ask you this, what is above? Yes, what is above? What is below? There is no up down, north or south in a Copernican Universe that is like the model we are given – even heliocentric believers will tell you this. And if you are a heliocentric believer, you run into a problem with your Bible. So, when you are in a fix and you can’t get out of it, you just say these Bible verses are not to be believed literally. Then, people who are not firm in their beliefs will view the Bible as something you cannot really read, understand and rely on. Thus, those who hate Christ will have achieved their goal – driving people away from the God of the Bible.

If you are a Christian and believe in the Copernican Universe, and you put heaven ALL around earth, in all directions so as to completely cover it, you run into problems. Heaven would not be just above but below, too. It would also be on all sides. The word “above and below” would lose all meaning. And, where would heaven be in relation to the the earth? Can you really say it was below, when, if you travel a bit further you would be in Heaven again? No, a believe in the Copernican model of the Universe would make the Bible have no sense – at least in these verse.

As a side note, if there was a Universe as we are told and man went into space, he would COMPLETELY lose all sense of direction. We wouldn’t know where to go. I would compare this to being in a “white out”. If you don’t know what a white out is or never experienced it, let me explain. A “white out” is in a blinding snow storm where there is snow on the ground, and snow falling so think that you can’t see other object or colors except white. When you try to walk you have no idea where you are; your sense of direction is completely gone. Skiers on mountains during a snow storm will tell you this. You can even be in your town and experience this. Imagine being out in space, this is how it would be. So, all this nonsense of space exploration and visitation from Aliens from other planets is just a lie.

Yahweh, God gave us a plane where there is an “up” and “down”. And everything is in relation to that. He showed us, by these verses, that Heaven is higher than earth, His ways are higher than our ways, His throne is ABOVE THE EARTH. And, you can’t have God’s throne in a Copernican Universe and have it make any sense.

When we look at these verses as literal – which is what they are – the earth has to be flat. The earth can’t be anything else in light of these scriptures. This also means that Heaven is flat, too. Picture a floor that is called Heaven, and below that is another floor that is earth. The floors of both places have to be level and they have to be parallel to each other.

Christians who believe in a Universe that is taught us in school, would have to believe in a Heaven that it speeding and turning through space just as fast as the earth is suppose to be; Heaven would have to mirror all the gyrations that earth goes through. When you think of it, it’s all nonsense. No, the earth is flat and stationary and Heaven above is flat and stationary.

In short you cannot mix Scripture with lies. If you combined the two, you’ll get either bad science or you’d have to distort the meaning of various verses of the Bible to suit the lie. Unfortunately, this is what heliocentric Christians do; they are left with a belief in junk-science and distorted Scripture.

Some Bible References:

Gen_1:20; Gen_27:39; Exo_20:4; Deu_4:39; Deu_5:8; Jos_2:11; 1Ki_8:23; 1Ch_29:11; Psa_103:11; Psa_148:13; Jer_31:37; Joh_3:31; Act_2:19; Jas_5:12;

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The Impossibility to Communicate in Space

Comparing Satellite Signals to Local Reception

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We are told that signals are sent to satellites millions of miles way to do activate some electronic device. And signals from satellites communicate back pictures and other tests that are carried out. Two way conversations are made to astro-nots on the International Space Station with no problem. Yet, many times you can’t receive a radio station 100 miles away – how strange!

satellite-communication-3So, how is it that signals can be sent millions of miles away and be received with no problem? How can signals be sent from Pluto – over a billion miles away – and be received with clear pictures of the planet’s surface?

People with mobile phones get poor signals in certain areas of their town or when they are in the hills somewhere. The signals we do receive, whether it be for mobile phones, the internet, TV or radio are sent via: micro wave towers, wires or cables, etc. We have relay towers all over the earth and if we didn’t we wouldn’t receive signals. Thus, how can radio waves be sent with color pictures no less – which takes up a lot of memory – and be sent hundreds of millions of miles to earth? How can all of this be done WITHOUT any type of relay station at all?

Then you have space agencies which claims to picks up signals across the galaxies – trillions of miles away. I guess those little Aliens have powerful transmitters on their flying saucers! To think that radio signals can be sent or received from even further distances is ludicrous. Yet everyone has experienced poor reception with their phone or radio when the distance is much, much closer than satellites in space.

The fact is, that space agencies and astronomers creates all this bull.

First, there is no thing as the vastness of space. IF there were trillions of miles of space, regardless of what makes it up, you cannot transmit signals without some form of relay. Sure, we have wireless transmission but that only goes so far. If all you needed was a tower to generate and send a signal and a satellite dish to receive it, why all the microwave towers in between? Why cables under the sea and on the land? The reason why we have them is because we need them. Wireless communication can only go so far.

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Questions from a Heliocentric Believer May 5

Here are some questions that I got from one reader. I’m sure that many other heliocentric believers have the same questions. So, here goes…

eclipse-lunar1Moon’s power source?

We don’t know and geocentric believers are humble and truthful enough to say so. We don’t hide our unknown in a bunch of weird math, present it to the people, tell them it’s gravity and can do all sorts of weird things and hope that the people believe it.

The moon has a power, that we don’t know about. But the fact that it does have some kind of power, it prevents it from falling to the earth. The same thing can be said for the sun.

Some flat earthers believe that the sun and moon are in the firmament and there are tracks that the sun and moon follow, verses the sun and moon under the firmament.

If sun is only 32 miles, what is its power source?

We think in terms of “our” power sources, and if it’s not one of them, we throw it out. Well, it’s well know that there has been other forms of energy that are not in common use today that have been discovered over the past 100 years or so. Nikola Tesla, was able to create massive amount of energy from what they called back then, the aether. Over the past 100 years this and other “free energy” sources have been covered up as money can’t be made from something that is free, practically free or universally available.

How much does the sun weight?

Let me ask you, heliocentric believer, how much does your model of the sun weight? You don’t have a real answer, you have one but it’s a lie. It’s a case of “B.S. baffles brains”. If you throw in math based on created figures such as, “The sun is 856,000 in diameter, it’s made of x, x weights 500 pounds per square ton. Now the formula is bla, bla, bla. Therefore the weight is 250 billion tons, for example. Now, believe it or not, the math would be right, and this is where the ‘bs baffles brains’ comes in, but the answer is wrong! Why? Simple, the sun is not that large, the energy source is not what they think it is. So, when the foundations of anything is off, anything built on it would be wrong, too.

Then, you have idiots that say, “I don’t believe because you don’t have the answer to how much the sun weights; you don’t know the energy source that makes the sun and moon move.” Well, these people can go their own way. They will never learn the truth because they are really not seeking the truth.

You don’t have to know all the answers to believe in something. Regarding the flat earth, knowing that water always seeks its own level is enough. And if that is not enough for some people, they can go their own way, as their questions will not be answered.

Geocentric believers admit they don’t know. Even not knowing something does not negate the fundamental facts that the earth is flat and stationary.

Is it subject to the law of mass?

Good question. Yes, everything is subject to the law of mass (things that are heavier than air falls). HOWEVER, if it has its own power source it can defy falling to the ground. How do you think a rocket flies? It has its own energy source. Even a human being can defy it by jumping. We exert energy and go up in the air, but since that energy is very little, we come down in a second.

What keeps it from crashing to the ground?

Another unknown that we admit we don’t have the answer to – unlike heliocentric people who create a convoluted thing that’s called ‘gravity’. I wonder if globe earth believers would be happy if I made something up and add a lot of math to it (that they don’t understand) – would they be happy than?

Some people are in ‘damage control’ always reverting to this so-called “gravity”. People will never believe in planets going around suns at fantastic speeds, tilting and spinning at the same time. People will never believe huge masses of planets going fantastic speeds without detecting any power source at all – either by instruments or by their own sense – UNLESS something called ‘relativity’ was created by someone who was promoted as a genius. Add a lot of math to it – to create the “smoke and mirrors” – and WALA, THEN you can get people to believe in this thing called “gravity.”

Has it been peered reviewed?

The short answer is, NO. Does it need to be?

Who control the ‘peer review review people – globe earth or flat earth believers? And there, you’ll have your answer.

There is “peer review” in just about every area of science, and if they are “the be all end all” of everything; if they are the citadel of truth, then why is the world in such a mess?!

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Kent Hovind and the Flat Earth, part 3

Kent Hovind Critises Flat Earth Believers

Continuing and concluding Kent Hovind’s remarks on the flat earth.

Click here to see the video.

Kent starts off by saying that he thinks that the resurgence of the flat earth theory is to criticize what Christians think or to justify what the Catholic church did years 500 years ago. This, of course, is wrong conclusion on his part. The flat earth has emerged because people are waking up and realising that what we have been told is not logical, it’s not what we see in reality, and it’s not biblical.

With the internet, people are exposed to more, they can do better research even than if they lived in the Library of Congress; and communication is much faster and wide spread. The same thing applies to other subjects that are not related at all to the flat earth, such as people waking up to the conspiracies and lies the government has been doing. So, Kent, the flat earth information is the not the result of a certain group of people who want to discredit Christians but true Christians finding out the truth of God’s Creation.

Kent says he appreciates the zeal of the flat earthers and he says, “They think they are defending the Bible but they aren’t.” Well, Kent, it is you and your friend who made this video who are not defending the Bible – when it comes to the flat earth; when it comes to your talk on Creation and Evolution, yes, but not here!

Many times Hovind said that the earth is a globe and that’s it. But it’s OK for Edrique to say (about 1:25 into part 3 video) to say, “If you are going to write and say, ‘The earth is flat, get over it,’ I will not respond.” So, it shows a double standard that these two people have!

4:00 Edrique goes into the example of traveling in a semi-truck going at 70mph and throwing a ball to the back of the truck. Now, we know, as flat earth believers that the speed of the ball is different relative to those who are on the ground watching the truck go by. WE have no problem with that, but the globe earth believers think we do and they think that this example explains the fact that we don’t feel anything on a spinning AND shooting forward earth. But this is not a correct analogy with us supposedly being on earth spinning at 1,000mph AND going around the sun at 67,000mph. All of this was explained in a previous Post here; it’s too long to going into it again.

6:10 “The atmosphere is traveling with it (earth),” so Hovind said. How can the atmosphere travel with any solid thing no matter what the speed? It can’t! If the earth were moving under our feet at 1,000mph, it would cause a tremendous amount of wind. Since humans are not attached to the earth but can move, walk, jump around, it would be impossible to be in one place. We would immediately be knocked to our feet, fall and ram into the next object still standing – IF there was anything standing. All of this is crazy talk when you stop and think of the physics of the whole thing. Yet, these two people talk as if everything was normal and their eyes are blind to the whole thing. It’s not just Kent and Edrique, as they represent the average person who believes in the heliocentric model of the universe.

With the above in mind, it shows that with propaganda given from all sources and hearing this from birth to the grave, it shows that humans can be fooled into believing the most outlandish thing. Remember when we believed in the globe earth, too? But I think that for us, when we think of the mechanics of the whole thing, we were able to wake up and realise our foolish belief; with others, they just can’t escape the impossibility of a spinning and traveling earth.

6:30 – 6:54 Kent was explaining about shooting a missile out of the atmosphere and you would miss your target by 200 miles. With this statement, what he is saying is, that there is something at this altitude that is not dragging the atmosphere along. Well, what is it Kent? After all, “we went to the moon,” and the Apollo space capsule did not go through anything. Of course, there is a Dome, or the Firmament, as the Bible calls it. But it’s purpose is something else: to keep the atmosphere contained in a stationary earth. For even a stationary earth will lose its atmosphere and gases if there is other space beyond it.

Again, how can gravity connect to some area outside the atmosphere and make even gases ‘stick’ to the earth and keep it in sync? It can’t. If you want to keep an object on the surface in the same place, it would have to be physically attached to it. Once this object, human or animal leaves contact with the spinning earth, it will fly away.

Note: This is not part of the video but it is a part of what Kent said in the past and what he is saying now. In the past, in one of his videos on evolution, he talked about the Law of Conservation of Angular Motion. He used this to demonstrable what the evolutionist believe in is wrong. Evolutionists believe – whom ALL are believers in the the heliocentric universe – that there are some galaxies along with planets that rotate in the opposite direction then the majority of planets and galaxies. Kent said that if the Big Bang is real, when the explosion occurred everything would have the same spin but it doesn’t. He said it violates the Law of Conservation of Angular Motion – which is true.

If you were to go to a school playground, and go on one of those small merry-go-rounds, where kids sit on it. If it was going in a clockwise direction, for example, and it was going faster and faster until the children couldn’t hold on any longer, they would fly off. They will also be spinning in the same direction as the merry-go-round – until the energy imputed stopped or until they hit a tree! So, why don’t all the people fly off the earth? They would as this law is an observable and repeatable one, but Kent forgot all about what he said years ago. Anyhow, he would say that ‘gravity’ keeps us all in place. But how can it be gravity, IF it exists, keep enormous amount of pressure on everything – which it would have to – but yet, a person can walk, play and jump around and not feel this pressure at all. How can a delicate butterfly fly in any direction and not get crushed? All of this is strange thinking. As for me, when I believed in the globe earth, as soon as a flat earther pointed out to me, I saw how illogical my long held false belief was. So, I dropped in for the flat earth model.

Kent said that gravity keeps us on a spinning ball. If that is so, why doesn’t it keep the children on a merry-go-round going 1,000mph? After all, if a lager mass attracts smaller ones, why doesn’t the earth keep the small merry-go-round and children from falling off? After all, the mass of a merry-go-round is much less compared to a smaller planet.

7:10 Kent talks about sun spots and shows a picture in an earth book put out by Bob Jones University, he said, “a Christian university,” to emphasize the point. In all do respect, just because it comes from a Christian source doesn’t mean that it contains the truth. We have all seen these clowns on TV, known as televangelists, preaching un-Godly things and calling themselves Christians.

Earlier, Kent said that sometimes a planet like Mercury that gets between the earth and the sun, and this can only be in a revolving solar system (can’t think of the exact words, but that was his meaning). When heliocentric believers use this, it’s nothing but a lie. People who would like you to believe in the Big Bang, evolution and the rest of it would think nothing about lying about sun spots and where they come from. Kent knows about the deliberate lying by evolutions so, why does he take as gospel what they say about the universe now?

What could these sun spots be? Whatever it is, it’s NOT planets flying through space; it’s something on the surface of the sun, as it (sun) goes along its circuit above the flat earth.

11:50 Here they are talking about a comet that was going to Jupiter and how it broke up. Kent interjected and said, “It’s more complicated than that. You have greater exertion on the front of the comet than you have on the back half. What was happening was causing internal stresses in the comet which made it break apart.” (Not his exact words but pretty close to it.) IF this was true, Kent, then why hasn’t the earth broken apart? (Because of the greater gravity on the sun side verse the far side of earth.) Why hasn’t it happened to the moon? Look how close that is the the earth, and it has not broken up. What about Mercury (the closest planet to the sun)? What about the mass of a NASA space capsule as it approaches the moon? What about a satellite as it flies by these huge planets? After all, a satellite would be the size of many comets and flying past Jupiter or Saturn would break it apart. We know the answer: that there are neither satellites in space nor gravity anywhere in space or on earth.

Heliocentric believes don’t realise the contradictions they carry in their mind!

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13:50 Edrique was showing the sun light going through spaces in the clouds and shinning down on the sea; known as the ‘crepuscular rays’. He said that the reason why these rays (as he pointed to them) are on an angle and the reason why this ray is pointing straight down, is because it’s noon over there (where the sun rays were going straight down).

Ha, ha, ha. What a joke! I can’t believe what a stupid statement he made! The fact that Kent Hovind didn’t call him out on it, means he must believe it, too. Let’s examine this more closely.

Here, we are present with a photo of, what looks like late afternoon sun. we have all seen similar rays of the sun going out on different angles. Perhaps you have seen this on the seashore. Now, I don’t know where this photo was taken (and, probably Edrique doesn’t either) but it doesn’t really matter. First and foremost, you can’t see across a couple of time zones – period! When you look out at sea, the horizon is about 12 miles out. If you are up higher you can see further out. The only time you can see across a time zone is if you are near the dividing line – that’s it. You can’t see across a whole time zone as they are a couple of hundreds miles apart to nearly 1,000 miles away – depending on latitude.

With the photo that Edrique used, it looks like where the observer is it’s 4pm. In any case, noon would be several times zones away – a distance too far to see. What a ludicrous statements he made!

If the photo was taken on the shores of Georgia, for example, and you are in the late afternoon, further eastward can’t be12 noon – as noon time already passed! You are looking towards Europe, which is later in the day. If it was the morning hours, you still can’t see the length of one time zone.

If you happened to be right near another time zone, the time will be an hour difference BUT the sun in the sky would be the same. Example, if you are five miles away from crossing a time zone, the sun and the angle would be identical. The sun would be no different than if you drove to a town 5 miles away and there was no time zone crossing.

When I was in Cyprus I lived within view of the sea. It was common during certain times of the year to see the rays come through different areas of the sky – just like this. Where the sun was over the Mediterranean Sea, it was in the late afternoon and the view was south-west. I saw rays coming down on an angle and ones coming down straight. No way was this looking across several time zones! No way was it even looking across one time zone. Noon had come and gone, so that was not it. Finally, looking south from Cyprus, you are not even looking across time zones even if you could see that far. Too ‘see across’ time zones you would basically be looking East or West; you have to look across latitude lines not longitude lines. Looking towards the South or the North, you would not be looking across time zones, as they don’t run in that direction.

Another thing that the two guys didn’t think of and that is, IF the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun would be too far away to to show at different angles; there would not be one section of the earth where the sun is directly over head and another one, say, 10% off, and other angle seen at another angle still. The sun would appear at the same degree in the sky for all people. But, with the angle of the rays being different and so close proves that the earth is flat and that the sun is near the surface.

Kent and Edrique science is really lacking; their common-sense is lacking, too. In a way I’m glad that they made such a stupid remark, as people can wake up and see through this as nothing but a LIE.

Just think back of the times and location that you had seen such sunrise or sunset. Where was it? What direction were you facing and where were you in relation to the time zones?

No, Kent and Edrique, the rays are not like that because of a sun 93 million miles away, but because it’s close – perhaps 3,000 miles at the most. The sun’s rays are on an angle because it’s close. His picture proves that it’s close, as something 93 million miles way cannot cast angles like that, and it cannot create a hotspot, either (as seen in some high altitude pictures).

15:30 Kent said, “If the earth is flat, I should be able to see Tokyo.” Another stupid statement. Edrique said that we are told that if we had a military grade telescope we should see Tokyo. Then Kent said, that if you are 6 feet tall, you times that by 1.3 and that number in miles should be how far you can see at sea.

OK, let’s analysis this. First, did they ever get a good telescope to look out at sea? Probably not. If they did, I will assure them that when a boat ‘disappears over the horizon,’ it did not go over the curve, as their telescope will bring it back in view. If they had a ‘military grade’ telescope it would not be strong enough to see Tokyo in the first place. A military grade telescope is not as strong as an observatory telescope. So, why didn’t they use that as an example? I don’t know.

As for seeing Tokyo, what these two guys didn’t take into consideration is: air density, pollution, fog and mist along the way. Each one of these cuts down the view. The strange things is, or maybe not so strange is, why hasn’t Edrique brought up these objections? He brought up other statements from the flat earthers but not these. I guess there would be no way to get around this and they would have to agree that flat earthers are right. Also, it might be clear on shore, but 500 miles out it could be foggy, which would block their view.

I notice the technique that globe believers do in order to justify their belief. They take some huge distance from one location on earth to another, and ask, “Why can’t see it?” I heard another man, a good Christian, but just wrong on this issue say, “Why can’t you go to the Florida beach and see South America?” again, a great distance. You don’t have to use distance like this to PROVE that the earth is flat. All you need to do is, watch a ship disappear from your eyes – which could be 10 miles away. It would be ‘over the curve’ we are told. Then take a telescope out and look at the ship again. This will prove a flat earth, and you can do it all without getting an expensive telescope. If you prove you CAN see beyond the so-called curvature at 10 miles, you proved your point. You don’t need to do it for 100 or 1,000 miles. Again, the problem with seeing something on earth at sea level at 1,000 miles is the air density, fog, mist, and pollution – all of which blocks vision. Telescopes will always work better and see further pointing up – not parallel at ground level!

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16:45 Edrique shows a picture of what was on Chicago TV of a view of Chicago skyline taken across Lake Michigan – distance I think of 60 miles. He said, take a look at the water, you can’t see the waves, it was taken high up. And the higher up you are the further you can see. Well, this part is true – the higher you are the further you can see – flat earthers will tell you that, you don’t have to go to globe earth believers. Anyhow, this is part of the reason why he says you can see Chicago.

Again, they ignore the facts. The guy who took this was on the ground not high up. Even if the distance was only 6 miles, in order to see the skyline ACCORDING to globe earth believers, he would have to be 24 feet up. Do the math to figure how far up in the air the photographer would have to be to see 60 miles away. That formula is: 8 inches times 60 squared, divide by 12 to get the feet. If you find that the distance is greater, then use that figure.

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No, the photographer was on the ground, maybe not exactly at sea level but he was not even on a high hill. He would have to be in an airplane at see that much further. Another thing that should make Edrique blush and that is, the Chicago weatherman, himself a heliocentric believer, said the photo was taken on the shores of Lake Michigan. But if Edrique said that, he would not be able to use the story that it was taken very high up.

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Edrique goes on to say that if you were at sea level, you would not see the 2, 3, or 4 floor. Taking what he said, IF it was true, how can you see the rest of the building? These buildings are skyscrapers of various heights. By what heliocentric believers tell us, we should not be able to see anything. Yet, what this heliocentric believer tells us – by implication – we should see floors above the 4th. The fact is, if you do the math on 25,000 circumference, the top of the skyscrapers would still be behind the curve. But since we CAN see them, it’s PROOF that the earth is flat. At this distance, the skyline would be 2,000 feet below the curve, and that it taking 400 feet off the 2,400 figure you’d come up with on 8 inches square the distance.

Side note: You can see how people who would be watching this video and bobbing their collective heads along, say, “Yea, yea, yea,” that they would agree with the globe earth model. But analysing this, we see that what they say is not true.

19:00 It’s easy for someone to see a video, agree with everything they say and go on with their life. It’s only when you take the time to analysis it – which might require you seeing it again – that you see the many lies and distortions. Most people don’t take the time, so if their belief is one way, and they watch something that supports their belief and they’ll continue their life as normal.

Continuing, Edrique shows another photo, which was taken a shore level (compared to the other which was about 20 feet up). Here, he witnessed AGAINST himself, in that you still see the skyline of Chicago. The reason why you can’t see the very bottom is simple, and that is because of the small waves. Don’t forget, small waves up close will BLOCK big objects and even whole buildings in the background. A child can tell them that!

20:09 Kent said, “With their model, why would it (sun) go behind the horizon ever?” He was holding up a paperback book (using that as the earth) and with his finger, started over the book and went over the edge of it. This tells us that he thinks the sun is going under the flat earth. No flat earthers believe the earth travels under the earth. All they have to do is watch a flat earth video and they wouldn’t bring up this argument.

20:30 Edrique was pointing to a video on the screen about a very long hallway that went smaller and smaller (because of perspective). He said, “Imagine each of these lights (in the hallway) is like the sun, each one is getting smaller and smaller (implying why the sun doesn’t get smaller and smaller). Kent then said, “That hall can go on for ever and ever – to infinity.” Edirque said yes and he added, “Even if the hallway is 5 miles away or 10 miles away, you should still the the light.” (Meaning that last light in this long hallway is on.) He continued, “Even though it would be very small, you should still see the light.” This, of course, is implying that we should see the sun but it would be very small.

Again, these guys just don’t know science, they are not using their real life experience. They admit that things get smaller and smaller (referring to the sun). Well, when things get smaller and smaller, what happens? They get smaller and smaller UNTIL you can’t see it at all! So, what makes them think that you can see forever? We can’t see other objects forever; with light it is a longer distance but it’s not forever. I guess they believe this because we see stars “trillions of miles away.”

When the foundation is wrong, everything built on it is wrong.

They admit the point gets smaller and smaller, so that tells us that light does not go on forever.

One reason why the sun doesn’t do what the “lights in an infinity hallway does” is that the sun gets further and further away TO A POINT, but goes on a circuit above the earth and loops back.

22:00 Kent ask do they know what makes the sun go around, and Edrique said no. Kent answered that he knows (on heliocentric model). Now, just because someone doesn’t know ALL the answers, does not make the flat earth model false.

Edrique said that the flat earth people don’t believe in gravity and Kent asked, what do they believe in? His response was something like electromagnetism. What Edrique should know if he studied what we believe is, that it’s density that keeps things on the earth. Kent should know about the characteristics of density being a science teacher and offer that in place of the lack of knowledge that Edrique had.

Kent said, “Don’t include me in your flat earth model.” He repeated this a couple of times. No one included him, so why did he make this up? Why would any flat earth believer include a person who does not believe as they do? Why would they include someone who is a strong advocate against the flat earth? Sorry, Kent but you have to be invited and you turned down the invitation (accepting the flat earth) so you are then not invited.

So ends video 3.

Summary

As you can see, these two – Kent Hovind and Edrique Visser – did a hatchet job on discussing the flat earth. What I would like to see is Kent Hovind taking debate a flat earther – just like he has done with evolutionists. But will he do it? Since he says that he doesn’t want to see any more Posts or comments about the flat earth, I don’t think we would want to debate geocentric believers. How would he like it if he was turned down by universities and professors who don’t want to accept his offer to debate. He wouldn’t but he can’t see his hypocrisy – that he is reacting just like his opponents the evolution believers.

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My Flat Earth Experience

Continuing from the Post of Happy Birthday One Year Flat Earth Awakening, I’d like to add a bit more to this.

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As previously mentioned, I had come to the flat earth through another alternative news website. This one is on the medical racket and how the Establishment keeps us sick. For you flat earthers that don’t know about this, I highly recommend that you go to: http://www.whale.to They have a ton of article on the subject as well as videos.

What I’m saying is, that if you are not into alternative news, conspiracies and such, you probably would not be on this flat earth site. That is why most people who do know about the flat earth are already aware of other government cover ups. For a few readers, the flat earth happened to come first THEN they learn about about the other cover ups such as: 9-11, money racket by international banks, lies to get us into wars, etc. So, if the flat earth is the first subject that is in the alternative news category, do not stop there, the lying and corruption goes deep; there are many ‘rabbit holes’ to go down.

The average Joe who only watches CNN, BBC News or watches trivial programs on TV, will more than likely not come across the flat earth information. IF they do, they probably don’t want to really listen and read what it’s all about. But for people who are into what the anti-Christs are doing will more than likely listen to what you have to say.

Back to the medical racket. If you think that the treatments that are given to us and the advice on how to stay well from the doctors is correct, kindly go to the above website to learn more. This cover up is as large as the flat earth, as it, too, is world-wide. Just watch a couple of these videos or read a dozen articles from whale.to and see if this makes sense to you. There are others alternative health sites that also have a lot of information on the medical racket. Another one is: http://www.naturalnews.com Check it out; learn how to be healthy and stay healthy.

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If you go to any health food shop or go to a natural health convention, tell the people about the flat earth! They would be a better audience than the average person on the street.

In short, when you are on a learning path and discovering the lies that have been told us, a whole new world opens up. You’ll learn about other truths about: Bible, health, history, banking, wars, flat earth and more.

If you are new to this and want to know how you find this information, one way to do is is by doing searches such as:

The truth about x (whatever your topic is)

x cover up

You can use the words: lie, cover up, fraud and conspiracy with your topic word. If you are on a major alternative news site, many times they will have many topics all in one place. Then, you may find even more by following their links. Alternative news sites often have a link to the original article, where that site could have someone on a topic that is not covered from the site you came from. Also, look for a Page tab that is named Links or References. What many website owners do is, they put other website addresses to go to. Site A might have just a little on the bioengineering, while Site B would have many more articles. When you read other cover ups and the like, you’ll see how all of this is connected and you’ll get the bigger picture. Normally, when you are on a major alternative news website, there are enough links to follow to keep you busy for a long time. These links will have links of their own where you can go. In time, you’ll be down every ‘rabbit hole’ there is!

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Happy Birthday One Year Flat Earth Awakening

One Year Ago: My Flat Earth Learning

It was 30 April, 2015

It has been exactly one year ago (30 April, 2015) that I woke up to the flat earth truth! I remember the day well. I shared it later in the day with my wife and she accepted it, too.

It was about 5.30 in the evening that I came across a site that had flat earth facts. My wife and I were in Cyprus at the time, I was in the dinning room on my computer and she was on the balcony (right outside the dinning room) talking to the neighbours who were on their balcony. I waited until she came in, which was about 6pm.

The flat earth news made sense to me, so I was able to accept it right away.

I was actually on another site that talks about the medical racket and how the medical establishment keeps us sick and do not give us effective treatments. But this website had other news as well. The website name address is: http://www.whale.to There was an article about the Challenger astronauts who were killed on the landing pad in 1986 saying they were still alive and they had a link to another site for the full article.

I knew about conspiracies and government lying but I had never heard of this – that these astronauts were still alive. So, I clicked on the link and this sent me to a flat earth site. When reading the article, I notice the Page names at the top of the website had: flat earth videos, flat earth gallery, flat earth library. I wonder, ‘What in the heck is this nonsense?’ Since a number of their Pages had the name ‘flat earth’ in it, I finally click on one. I saw a video by Eric Dubay, which had good pictures along with the audio.

IMG_2213 Two days later two friends of ours came over and I shared the flat earth news with them, too. When they came over, we were sitting on the balcony having our morning tea/coffee and looking at the Mediterranean Sea. I had told them I wanted to share some important news before they came over. I said to Bob and Else. Stand up and look at the sea; look at the horizon from left to right and tell me if everything looks normal to you. They looked and saw nothing unusual. I said, “Everything is flat, right?” And they agreed. Meanwhile, my wife, Jayne was smiling at them – knowing what I was up to.

They agreed that everything looked normal. I then added, “That’s the problem – it’s not suppose to be flat if we are on a globe; there should be a curve or a drop-off to the right and left of your view but there isn’t.”

Where we lived in Cyprus, we had a beautiful view of the hill going down, the homes below, and the Mediterranean Sea. A perfect place to point out the horizon. Since we were about 500 feet above sea level, it gave a view further out than if you were standing on the shore.

A couple of years before, from the same balcony, I had photographed a cruise ship at sea. I had it on one setting, took a picture than zoomed in and took another picture. I was able to zoom in more on my computer and I could see details of the ship and the water level that I could not see with my eyes. Of course, at this time I had no idea that this would play into proving a flat earth. Now, several years later, I looked out and see the world differently.

For the first week or two, and especially when I was with my friends on the balcony; I had literally a different view of the world. I’m sure you can relate to this and I’m sure you have your own unique story. Do you remember the day and the circumstances when you first learned about the flat earth? You might want to right it down someone where for reference.

After doing some talking, they had questions. I answered some of them but I couldn’t answer others, as I was just learning, too. I did show them part of one video while they were there. Then Bob, who did not believe in God as we do, said, “Then that means there is a God of the Bible.” I said, “Yes, there is.”

They were open minded and listened to what I had to say, which not everyone is like that. I said, “Do your own research, watch the videos and see if it makes sense to you; then make your own decision.”

Jayne and I had to fly back to England but we kept in touch with our friends. As the days went by, for the first couple of weeks, there was almost daily contact, via email, about what we learned on the flat earth. I answered more of their questions and told them what I had learned, too. That’s all we did in the beginning weeks of learning about the flat earth – and that was more research.

In fact, my zeal for the flat earth news and what this means prompted me to start a website – which you are on now. As you can see, this Christian Flat Earth Ministry was started back in May of last year – shortly after I learned about the flat earth myself. I took me a couple of weeks more of learning and organizing this information for me to get to the point of putting up this website. And, as you can see, I’m still going at it.

To this day they are flat earth believers. I hope you have a nice story of sharing this news with your wife or husband and with friends. Not everyone takes kindly to the flat earth news but those that do, it’s a pleasure to share in their joy.

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The Cause of Solar and Lunar Eclipses

The Cause of Solar and Lunar Eclipses

Zetetic Astronomy, by ‘Parallax’ (pseud. Samuel Birley Rowbotham), [1881]

eclipse-solar1  A SOLAR eclipse is the result simply of the moon passing between the sun and the observer on earth. But that an eclipse of the moon arises from a shadow of the earth, is a statement in every respect, because unproved, unsatisfactory. The earth has been proved to be without orbital or axial motion; and, therefore, it could never come between the sun and the moon. The earth is also proved to be a plane, always underneath the sun and moon; and, therefore, to speak of its intercepting the light of the sun, and thus casting its own shadow on the moon, is to say that which is physically impossible.

Besides the above difficulties or incompatibilities, many cases are on record of the sun and moon being eclipsed when both were above the horizon. The sun, the earth, and the moon, not in a straight line, but the earth below the sun and moon–out of the reach or direction of both–and yet a lunar eclipse has occurred! Is it possible that a “shadow” of the earth could be thrown upon the moon, when sun, earth, and moon, were not in the same line? The difficulty has been met by assuming the influence of refraction, as in the following quotations:–

eclipse-lunar1“On some occasions the horizontal refraction amounts to 36 or 37 minutes, and generally to about 33 minutes, which is equal to the diameter of the sun or moon; and, therefore, the whole disc of the sun or moon will appear above the horizon, both at rising and setting, although actually below. This is the reason that the full moon has sometimes been seen above the horizon before the sun was set. A remarkable instance of this kind was observed at Paris, on the 19th of July, 1750, when the moon appeared visibly eclipsed, while the sun was distinctly to be seen above the horizon.” 1

“On the 20th of April, 1837, the moon appeared to rise eclipsed before the sun had set. The same phenomenon was observed on the 20th of September, 1717.” 2

“In the lunar eclipses of July 17th, 1590; November 3rd, 1648; June 16th, 1666; and May 26th, 1668; the moon rose eclipsed whilst the sun was still apparently above the horizon. Those horizontal eclipses were noticed as early as the time of Pliny.” 3

On the 17th of January, 1870, a similar phenomenon occurred; .and again in July of the same year. 4

The only explanation which has been given of this phenomenon is the refraction caused by the earth’s atmosphere. This, at first sight, is a plausible and fairly satisfactory solution; but on carefully examining the subject, it is found to be utterly inadequate; and those who have recourse to it cannot be aware that the refraction of an object and that of a shadow are in opposite directions. An object by refraction is bent upwards; but the shadow of any object is bent downwards, as will be seen by the following very simple experiment. Take a plain white shallow basin, and place it ten or twelve inches from a light in such a position that the shadow of the edge of the basin touches the centre of the bottom. Hold a rod vertically over and on the edge of the shadow, to denote its true position. Now let water be gradually poured into the basin, and the shadow will be seen to recede or shorten inwards and downwards; but if a rod or a spoon is allowed to rest, with its upper end towards the light, and the lower end in the bottom of the vessel, it will be seen, as the water is poured in, to bend upwards–thus proving that if refraction operated at all, it would do so by elevating the moon above its true position, and throwing the earth’s shadow downwards, or directly away from the moon’s surface. Hence it is clear that a lunar eclipse by a shadow of the earth is an utter impossibility.

The moon’s entire surface, or that portion of it which is presented to the earth, has also been distinctly seen during the whole time of a total lunar eclipse. This also is entirely incompatible with the doctrine that an eclipse of the moon is the result of a shadow of the earth passing over its surface.

Mr. Walker, who observed the lunar eclipse of March 19th, 1848, near Collumpton, says:–

“The appearances were as usual till twenty minutes past nine; at that period, and for the space of the next hour, instead of an eclipse, or the shadow (umbra) of the earth being the cause of the total obscurity of the moon, the whole phase of that body became very quickly and most beautifully illuminated, and assumed the appearance of the glowing heat of fire from the furnace, rather tinged with a deep red. . . . The whole disc of the moon being as perfect with light as if there had been no eclipse whatever! . . . . The moon positively gave good light from its disc during the total eclipse.” 1

The following case, although not exactly similar to the last, is worth recording here, as showing that some other cause existed than the earth’s shadow to produce a lunar eclipse:–

“EXTRAORDINARY PHENOMENA ATTENDING THE ECLIPSE.–On Saturday evening, February 27th, 1858, at Brussels, the eclipse was seen by several English philosophers who happened to be present. It was attended by a very remarkable appearance, which Dr. Forster said was wholly inexplicable on any laws of natural philosophy with which he was acquainted. The moment before contact a small dusky spot appeared on the moon’s surface, and during the whole of the eclipse, a reddish-brown fringe, or penumbra, projected above the shadow of the earth. Another thing still more remarkable was the apparent irregularity of the edge of the shadow. Three persons, one of them an astronomer, were witnesses of these curious phenomena, which no law of refraction can in any way explain.” 2

“LUNAR ECLIPSE OF FEBRUARY 6TH, 1860.–The only remarkable feature in this eclipse was the visibility–it might almost be termed the brilliancy of Aristarchus. Kepler, and other spots, were comparatively lost, or at most, barely discernible, as soon as they became enveloped in the shadow; but not so Aristarchus, which evidently shone either by intrinsic or retained illumination.” 3

“The moon has sometimes shone during a total eclipse with an almost unaccountable distinctness. On December 22nd, 1703, the moon, when totally immersed in the earth’s shadow, was visible at Avignon by a ruddy light of such brilliancy that one might have imagined her body to be transparent, and to be enlightened from behind; and on March 19th, 1848, it is stated that so bright was the moon’s surface during its total immersion,, that many persons could not be persuaded that it was eclipsed. Mr. Forster, of Bruges, states, in an account of that eclipse, that the light and dark places on the moon’s surface could be almost as well made out as in an ordinary dull moonlight night.

“Sometimes, in a total lunar eclipse, the moon will appear quite obscure in some parts of its surface, and in other parts will exhibit a high degree of illumination. . . . To a certain extent I witnessed some of these phenomena, during the merely partial eclipse of February 7th, 1860. . . . I prepared, during the afternoon of February 6th, for witnessing the. eclipse, without any distinct expectation of seeing much worthy of note. I knew, however, that upwards of eight-tenths of the. disc would be covered, and I was anxious to observe with what degree of distinctness the eclipsed portion could be viewed, partly as an interesting fact, and partly with a view of verifying or discovering the weak points of an engraving (in which I am concerned) of a lunar eclipse. After seeing the increasing darkness of the penumbra softly merging into the true shadow, at the commencement of the eclipse (about 1 o’clock a.m., Greenwich time), I proceeded with pencil and paper, dimly lighted by a distant lamp, to note by name the different lunar mountains and plains (the so-called seas), over which the shadow passed. . . . During the first hour and ten minutes I had seen nothing unexpected. . . . I had repeatedly written down my observations of the remarkable clearness with which the moon’s eclipsed outline could be seen, both with the naked eye and with the telescope. At 1 hour 58 minutes, however, I suddenly noted the ruddy colour of a portion of the moon. I may as well give my notes in the original words, as copied next day in a more connected form:

“‘1 hour 58 minutes, Greenwich time.–I am suddenly struck by the fact that the whole of the western seas of the moon are showing through the shadow with singular sharpness, and that the whole region where they lie has assumed a decidedly reddish tinge, attaining its greatest brightness at a sort of temporary polar region, having ‘Endymion’ about the position of its imaginary pole. I particularly notice that the ‘Lake of Sleep’ has disappeared in this brightness, instead of standing out in a darker shade. And I notice that this so-called polar region is not parallel with the rim of the shadow, but rather west of it.

“‘2 hours 15 minutes.–Some clouds, though very thin and transparent, now intervene.

“‘2 hours 20 minutes.–The sky is now clear. How extra-ordinary is the appearance of the moon! Reddish is not the word to express it; it is red–red hot! I endeavour to think of various red objects with which to compare it, and nothing seems so like as a red-hot penny–a red-hot penny, with a little white-hot piece at its lower edge, standing out against a dark blue background; only it is evidently not a mere disc, but beautifully rounded by shading. Such is its appearance with the naked eye; with the telescope, its surface varies more in tint than with the naked eye, and is not of quite so bright a red as when thus viewed. The redness continues to be most perceptible at a distance from the shadow’s southern edge, and to be greatest about the region of ‘Endymion.’ The ‘Hercynian Mountains’ (north of ‘Grimaldus’) are, however, of rather a bright red, and ‘Grimaldus’ shows well. ‘Mare Crisium’ and the western seas, are wonderfully distinct. Not a trace to be seen of ‘Aristarchus’ or ‘Plato.’

“‘2 hours 27 minutes.–It is now nearly the middle of the eclipse. The red colour is very brilliant to the naked eye. . . . After this, I noticed a progressive change of tint in the moon.

“‘2 hours 50 minutes.–The moon does not seem to the naked eye of so bright a red as before; and again I am reminded by its tint, of red-hot copper, which has begun to cool. The whole of ‘Grimaldi’ is now uncovered. Through the telescope I notice a decided grey shade, at the lower part of the eclipsed portion, and the various small craters give it a stippled effect, like the old aqua-tint engravings. The upper part is reddish; but two graceful blueish curves, like horns, mark the form of the ‘Hercynian Mountains,’ and the bright region on the other limb of the moon. These are visible also to the naked eye.

“‘At 3 hours 5 minutes the redness had almost disappeared; a very few minutes afterwards no trace of it remained; and ere long clouds came on. I watched the moon, however, occasionally gaining a glimpse of its disc, till a quarter to 4 o’clock, when, for the last time on that occasion, I saw it faintly appearing through the clouds, nearly a full moon again; and then I took leave of it, feeling amply repaid for my vigil by the beautiful spectacle which I had seen.'” 1

At the time of totality (the lunar eclipse of June 1st, 1863), the moon presented a soft, woolly appearance, apparently more globular in form than when fully illuminated. Traces of the larger and brighter mountains were visible at the time of totality, and particularly the bright rays proceeding from ‘Tycho,’ ‘Kepler,’ and ‘Aristarchus.’ . . . . At first, when the obscured part was of small dimensions, it was of an iron grey tint, but as it approached totality, the reddish light became so apparent that it was remarked that the moon ‘seemed to be on fire;’ and when the totality had commenced, it certainly looked like a fire smouldering in its ashes, and almost going out.” 1

In ordinary cases the disc appears, during a total eclipse, of a reddish hue, the colour being, indeed, of the most various degrees of intensity, passing, even when the moon is far removed from the earth into a fiery glowing red. Whilst I was lying at anchor (29th of March, 1801), off the Island of Baru, not far from Cartagena de Indias, and observing a total lunar eclipse, I was exceedingly struck by seeing how much brighter the reddened disc of the moon appears in the sky of the tropics than in my northern native land.” 2

“The fiery, coal-glowing colour of the darkened (eclipsed) moon. . . . The change is from black to red, and blueish.” 3

“Great was the confusion created in the camp of Vitellius by the eclipse which took place that night; yet it was not so much the eclipse itself–although to minds already disturbed this might appear ominous of misfortune–as it was the circumstance of the moon’s varying colours–blood-red, black, and other mournful hues–which filled their souls with uneasy apprehensions.” 4

The several cases above advanced are logically destructive of the notion that an eclipse of the moon arises from a shadow of the earth. As before stated, the earth is proved to be a plane, without motion, and always several hundred miles below the sun and moon, and cannot, by any known possibility come between them. It cannot therefore intercept the light of the sun, and throw its own shadow upon the moon. If such a thing were a natural possibility, how could the moon continue to shine during the whole or any considerable part of the period of its passage through the dark shadow of the earth? Refraction, or what has been called “Earth light,” will not aid in the explanation; because the light of the moon is at such times “like the glowing heat of firer tinged with deep red.” “Reddish is not the word to express it, it was red–red hot.” “The reddish light made it, seem to be on fire.” “It looked like a fire smouldering in its ashes.” “Its tint was that of red-hot copper.” The sun light is of an entirely different colour to that of the eclipsed moon; and it is contrary to known optical principles to say that light when refracted or reflected, or both simultaneously, is thereby changed in colour. If a light of a given colour is seen through a great depth of a comparatively dense medium, as the sun is often seen in winter through the fog and vapour of the atmosphere, it appears of a different colour, and generally of such as that which the moon so often gives during a total eclipse; but a shadow cannot produce any such effect, as it is, in fact, not an entity at all, but simply the absence of light.

From the facts and phenomena already advanced, we cannot draw any other conclusion than that the moon is obscured by some kind of semi-transparent body passing before it; and through which the luminous surface is visible: the luminosity changed in colour by the density of the intervening object. This conclusion is forced upon, us by the evidence; but it involves the admission that the moon shines with light of its own–that it is not a reflector of the sun’s light, but absolutely self-luminous. Although this admission is logically compulsory, it will be useful and strictly Zetetic to collect all the evidence possible which bears upon it.

1st. A reflector is a plane or concave surface, which gives off or returns what it receives:–

If a piece of red hot metal or any other heated object is placed before a plane or concave surface, heat is reflected.

If snow or ice, or any artificial freezing mixture is similarly placed, cold will be reflected.

If light of any given colour is placed in the same way, the same colour of light will be reflected.

If a given sound is produced, the same tone or pitch will be reflected.

A reflector will not throw off cold when heat is placed before it; nor heat when cold is presented. If a red light is received, red light will be returned, not blue or yellow. If the note C is sounded upon any musical instrument, a reflector will not return the note D or G, but precisely the same note, altered only in degree or intensity.

If the moon is a reflector of the sun’s light, she could not radiate or throw down upon the earth any other light than such as she first receives from the sun. No difference could exist in the quality or character of the light; and it could not possibly differ in any other respect than that of intensity or quantity. It has been asserted in opposition to the above, that the moon might absorb some of the rays of light from the sun and reflect only the remaining rays. To this it is replied that absorption means speedy saturation: a piece of blotting paper, or a lump of hard sugar, or a sponge when brought into contact with any fluid or gaseous substance, would only absorb for a short time; it would quickly become saturated, filled to repletion, and from that moment would cease to absorb, and ever afterwards could only reflect or throw back whatever was projected upon it. So the moon, if an object without light of her own, might at the beginning of her existence absorb the sun’s ray’s, and, fixing some, might return the others; but as already shown, she could only absorb to saturation, which would occur in a very short time; and from this point of saturation to the present moment she could not have been other than a reflector–a reflector, too, of all which she receives.

We have then, in order to know whether the moon is a reflector, merely to ascertain whether the light which we receive from her is, or is not the same, in .character as that received from the sun.

1st. The sun’s light is generally, and in an ordinary state of the atmosphere, of an oppressive, fierce, semi-golden, pyro-phosphorescent character; while that of the moon is pale, silvery and gentle; and when shining most brightly is mild and non-pyrotic.

2nd. The sun’s light is warm, drying, and preservative, or antiseptic; animal and vegetable substances exposed to it soon dry, coagulate, shrink, and lose their tendency to decompose and become putrid. Hence grapes and other fruits by long exposure to sunlight become solid, and partially candied and preserved; as instanced in raisins, prunes, dates, and ordinary grocers’ currants. Hence, too, fish and flesh by similar exposure lose their gaseous and other volatile constituents and by coagulation of their albuminous and other compounds become firm and dry, and less liable to decay; in this way various kinds of fish and flesh well known to travellers are preserved for use.

The light of the moon is damp, cold, and powerfully septic; and animal and nitrogenous vegetable substances. exposed to it soon show symptoms of putrefaction. Even living creatures by long exposure to the moon’s rays, become morbidly affected. It is a common thing on board vessels going through tropical regions, for written or printed notices to be issued, prohibiting persons from sleeping on deck exposed to full moonlight, experience having proved that such exposure is often followed by injurious consequences.

“It is said that the moon has a pernicious effect upon those who, in the East, sleep in its beams; and that fish having been exposed to them for only one night, becomes most injurious to those who eat it.” 1

“At Peckham Rye, a boy named Lowry has entirely lost his sight by sleeping in a field in the bright moonlight.” 2

“If we place in an exposed position two pieces of meat, and one of them be subjected to the moon’s rays, while the other is protected from them by a screen or a cover, the former will be tainted with putrefaction much sooner than the other.” 1

Professor Tyndall describing his journey to the summit of the Alpine Mountain, Weisshorn, August 21st, 1861, says:–

“I lay with my face towards the moon (which was nearly full), and gazed until my face and eyes became so chilled that I was fain to protect them with a handkerchief.” 2

3rd. It is a well known fact, that if the sun is allowed to shine strongly upon a common coal, coke, wood, or charcoal fire, the combustion is greatly diminished; and often the fire is extinguished. It is not an uncommon thing for cooks, housewives, and others to draw down the blinds in summer time to prevent their fires being put out by the continued stream of sun-light pouring through the windows. Many philosophers have recently attempted to deny and ridicule this fact, but they are met, not only by the common sense and every-day experience of very practical people, but by the results of specially instituted experiments.

It is not so well known perhaps, but it is an equally decided fact, that when the light of the moon is allowed to play upon a common carbonaceous fire, the action is increased, the fire burns more vividly, and the fuel is more rapidly consumed.

4th. In sun-light a thermometer stands higher than a similar thermometer placed in the shade. In the full moon-light, a thermometer stands lower than a similar instrument in the shade.

5th. In winter when ice and snow are on the ground, it is patent to every boy seeking amusement by skating or snow-balling, that in the sun light both ice and snow are softer and sooner thaw than that behind a wall, or in the shade. It is equally well known that when, in frosty weather, the night is far advanced, and the full moon has been shining for some hours, the snow and ice exposed to the moon-light are hard and crisp, while in the shade, or behind any object which intercepts the moon’s rays it is warmer, and the ice and snow are softer and less compact. Snow will melt sooner in sun-light than in the shade; but sooner in the shade than when exposed to the light of the moon.

6th. The light of the sun reflected from the surface of a pool of water, or from the surface of ice, may be collected in a large lens, and thrown to a point or focus, when the heat will be found to be considerable; but neither from the light of the moon reflected in a similar way, nor direct from the moon itself, can a heat-giving focus be obtained.

7th. The sun’s light, when concentrated by a number of plane or concave mirrors throwing the light to the same point; or by a large burning lens, produces a black or non-luminous focus, in which the heat is so intense that metallic and alkaline substances are quickly fused; earthy and mineral compounds almost immediately vitrified; and all animal and vegetable structures in a few seconds decomposed, burned up and destroyed.

The moon’s light concentrated in the above manner produces a focus so brilliant and luminous that it is difficult to look upon it; yet there is no increase of temperature. In the focus of sun-light there is great heat but no light. In that of the moon’s light there is great light but no heat. That the light of the moon is without heat, is fully verified by the following quotations:—

“If the most delicate thermometer be exposed to the full light of the moon, shining with its greatest lustre, the mercury is not elevated a hair’s breadth; neither would it be if exposed to the focus of her rays concentrated by the most powerful lenses. This has been proved by actual experiment.” 1

“This question has been submitted to the test of direct experiment. . . . The bulb of a thermometer sufficiently sensitive to render apparent a change of temperature amounting to the thousandth part of a degree, was placed in the focus of a concave reflector of vast dimensions, which, being directed to the moon, the lunar rays were collected with great power upon it. Not the slightest change, however, was produced in the thermometric column; proving that a concentration of rays sufficient to fuse gold if they proceeded from the sun, does not produce a change of temperature so great as the thousandth part of a degree when they proceed from the moon.” 2

“The most delicate experiments have failed in detecting in the light of the moon either calorific or chemical properties. Though concentrated in the focus of the largest mirrors, it produces no sensible heating effect. To make this experiment, recourse has been had to a bent tube, the extremities of which terminate in two hollow globes filled with air, the one trans-parent, the other blackened, the middle space being occupied by a coloured fluid. In this instrument, when caloric is absorbed by it, the black ball takes up more than the other, and the air it encloses increasing in elasticity, the liquid is driven out. This instrument is so delicate that it indicates even the millionth part of a degree; and yet, in the experiment alluded to, it gave no result.” 1

“The light of the moon, though concentrated by the most powerful burning-glass, is incapable of raising the temperature of the most delicate thermometer. M. De la Hire collected the rays of the full moon when on the meridian, by means of a burning-glass 35 inches in diameter, and made them fall on the bulb of a delicate air-thermometer. No effect was produced though the lunar rays by this glass were concentrated 300 times. Professor Forbes concentrated the moon’s light by a lens 30 inches in diameter, its focal distance being about 41 inches, and having a power of concentration exceeding 6000 times. The image of the moon, which was only 18 hours past full, and less than two hours from the meridian, was brilliantly thrown by this lens on the extremity of a commodious thermopile. Although the observations were made in the most unexceptional manner, and (supposing that half the rays were reflected, dispersed and absorbed), though the light of the moon was concentrated 3000 times, not the slightest thermo effect was produced.” 2

In the “Lancet” (Medical Journal), for March 14th, 1856, particulars are given of several experiments which proved that the moon’s rays when concentrated, actually reduced the temperature upon a thermometer more than eight degrees.

It is the common experience of the world that the light of the sun heats and invigorates all things, and that moon light is cold and depressive. Among the Hindoos, the sun is called “Nidâghakara,” which means in Sanscrit “Creator of Heat;” and the moon is called “Sitala Hima,” “The Cold,” and “Himân’su,” “Cold-darting,” or “Cold-radiating.”

Poets, who but utter in measured words the universal knowledge of mankind, always speak of the “Pale cold moon,” and the expression is not only poetically beautiful, but also true philosophically.

“The cold chaste moon, the queen of Heaven’s bright Isles;

Who makes all beautiful on which she smiles:

That wandering shrine of soft yet icy flame

Which ever is transformed, yet still the same;

And warms not but illumes.”

The facts now placed in contrast make it impossible to conclude otherwise than that the moon does not shine by reflection, but by a light peculiar to herself–that she is in short self-luminous. This conclusion is confirmed by the following consideration. The moon is said by the Newtonian philosophers to be a sphere. If so, its surface could not possibly reflect; a reflector must be concave or plane, so that the rays of light may have an “angle of incidence.” If the surface is convex, every ray of light falls upon it in a line direct with radius, or perpendicular to the surface. Hence there cannot be an angle of incidence and therefore none of reflection. If the moon’s surface were a mass of highly polished silver, it could not reflect from more than a mere point. Let a silvered glass ball of considerable size be held before a lamp or fire of any magnitude, and it will be seen that instead of the whole surface reflecting light there will only be a very small portion illuminated. But during full moon the whole disc shines intensely, an effect which from a spherical surface is impossible. If the surface of the moon were opaque and earthy instead of polished like a mirror, it might be seen simply illuminated like a dead wall, or the face of a distant sandstone rock, or chalky cliff, but it could not shine intensely from every part, radiating brilliant light and brightly illuminating the objects around it, as the moon does so beautifully when full and in a clear firmament. If the earth were admitted to be globular, and to move, and to be capable of throwing a shadow by intercepting the sun’s light, it would be impossible for a lunar eclipse to occur thereby, unless, at the same time, the moon is proved to be non-luminous, and to shine only by reflection. But this is not proved; it is only assumed as an essential part of a theory. The contrary is capable of proof. That the moon is self-luminous, or shines with her own light, independently. The very name and the nature of a reflector demand certain well-defined conditions. The moon does not manifest these necessary conditions, and therefore it must be concluded, of necessity, that she is not a reflector, but a self-luminous body. That she shines with her own light independently of the sun, thus admits of direct demonstration.

As the moon is self-luminous, her surface could not be darkened or “eclipsed” by a shadow of the earth—supposing such a shadow could be thrown upon it. In such a case, the luminosity instead of being diminished, would increase, and would be greater in proportion to the greater density or darkness of the shadow. As the light in a bull’s-eye lantern looks brightest in the darkest places, so would the self-shining surface of the moon be most intense in the umbra or deepest part of the earth’s shadow.

The moon shining brightly during the whole time of eclipse, and with a light of different hue to that of the sun; and the light of the moon having, as previously shown, a different character to that of the sun; the earth not a globe, and not in motion round the sun, but sun and moon always over the earth’s plane surface, render the proposition unavoidable as it is clearly undeniable that a lunar eclipse does not and could not in the nature of things arise from a shadow of the earth, but must of sheer logical necessity be referred to some other cause.

We have seen that, during a lunar eclipse, the moon’s self-luminous surface is covered by a semi-transparent something; that this “something” is a definite mass, because it has a distinct and circular outline, as seen during its first and last contact with the moon. As a solar eclipse occurs from the moon passing before the sun, so, from the evidence above collected, it is evident that a lunar eclipse arises from a similar cause–a body semi-transparent and well-defined passing before the moon; or between the moon’s surface and the observer on the surface of the earth.

That many such bodies exist in the firmament is almost a matter of certainty; and that one such as that which eclipses the moon exists at no great distance above the earth’s surface, is a matter admitted by many of the leading astronomers of the day. In the report of the council of the Royal Astronomical Society, for June 1850, it is said:–

“We may well doubt whether that body which we call the moon is the only satellite of the earth.”

In the report of the Academy of Sciences for October 12th, 1846, and again for August, 1847, the director of one of the French observatories gives a number of observations and calculations which have led him to conclude that,–

“There is at least one non-luminous body of considerable magnitude which is attached as a satellite to this earth.”

Sir John Herschel admits that:–

“Invisible moons exist in the firmament.” 1

Sir John Lubbock is of the same opinion, and gives rules and formulæ for calculating their distances, periods, &c. 2

At the meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, in 1850, the president stated that,—

“The opinion was gaining ground, that many of the fixed stars were accompanied by companions emitting no light.”

“The ‘changeable stars’ which disappear for a time, or are eclipsed, have been supposed to have very large opaque bodies revolving about or near to them, so as to obscure them when they come in conjunction with us.” 3

“Bessel, the greatest astronomer of our time, in a letter to myself, in July 1844, said, ‘I do indeed continue in the belief that Procyon and Sirius are both true double stars, each consisting of one visible, and one invisible star.’ . . A laborious inquiry just completed by Peters at Königsberg; and a similar one by Schubert, the calculator employed on the North American Nautical Almanack, support Bessel.” 1

“The belief in the existence of non-luminous stars was prevalent in Grecian antiquity, and especially in the early times of Christianity. It was assumed that ‘among the fiery stars which are nourished by vapours, there move other earthy bodies, which remain invisible to us!’ Origenes.” 2

“Stars that are invisible and consequently have no name move in space together with those that are visible.” Diogenes of Appollonica. 3

Lambert in his cosmological letters admits the existence of “dark cosmical bodies of great size.” 4

We have now seen that the existence of dark bodies revolving about the luminous objects in the firmament has been admitted by practical observers from the earliest ages; and that in our own day such a mass of evidence has accumulated on the subject, that astronomers are compelled to admit that not only dark bodies which occasionally obscure the luminous stars when in conjunction, but that cosmical bodies of large size exist, and that “one at least is attached as a satellite to this earth.” It is this dark or “non-luminous satellite,” which when in conjunction, or in a line with the moon and an observer on earth, IS THE IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF A LUNAR ECLIPSE.

Those who are unacquainted with the methods of calculating eclipses and other phenomena, are prone to look upon the correctness of such calculations as powerful arguments in favour of the doctrine of the earth’s rotundity and the Newtonian philosophy, generally. One of the most pitiful manifestations of ignorance of the true nature of theoretical astronomy is the ardent inquiry so often made, “How is it possible for that system to be false, which enables its professors to calculate to a second of time both solar and lunar eclipses for hundreds of years to come?” The supposition that such calculations are an essential part of the Newtonian or any other theory is entirely gratuitous, and exceedingly fallacious and misleading. Whatever theory is adopted, or if all theories are discarded, the same calculations can be made. The tables of the moon’s relative positions for any fraction of time are purely practical–the result of long-continued observations, and may or may not be connected with hypothesis. The necessary data being tabulated, may be mixed up with any, even the most opposite doctrines, or kept distinct from every theory or system, just as the operator may determine.

“The considered defects of the system of Ptolemy (who lived in the second century of the Christian era), did not prevent him from calculating all the eclipses that were to happen for 600 years to come.” 1

“The most ancient observations of which we are in possession, that are sufficiently accurate to be employed in astronomical calculations, are those made at Babylon about 719 years before the Christian era, of three eclipses of the moon. Ptolemy, who has transmitted them to us, employed them for determining the period of the moon’s mean motion; and therefore had probably none more ancient on which he could depend. The Chaldeans, however, must have made a long series of observations before they could discover their ‘Saros,’ or lunar period of 6585⅓ days, or about 18 years; at which time, as they had learnt, the place of the moon, her node and apogee return nearly to the same situation with respect to the earth and the sun, and, of course, a series of nearly similar eclipses occur.” 1

“Thales (B.C. 600) predicted the eclipse which terminated the war between the Medes and the Lydians. Anaxagoras (B.C. 530) predicted an eclipse which happened in the fifth year of the Peloponnesian War.” 2

“Hipparchus (140 B.C.) constructed tables of the motions of the sun and moon; collected accounts of such eclipses as had been made by the Egyptians and Chaldeans, and calculated all that were to happen for 600 years to come.” 3

“The precision of astronomy arises, not from theories, but from prolonged observations, and the regularity of the motions, or the ascertained uniformity of their irregularities.” 4

“No particular theory is required to calculate eclipses; and the calculations may be made with equal accuracy independent of every theory.” 5

“It is not difficult to form some general notion of the process of calculating eclipses. It may be readily conceived that by long-continued observations on the sun and moon, the laws of their revolution may be so well understood that the exact places which they will occupy in the heavens at any future times may be foreseen, and laid down in tables of the sun and moon’s motions; that we may thus ascertain by inspecting the tables the instant when these bodies will be together in the heavens, or be in conjunction.” 1

The simplest method of ascertaining any future eclipse is to take the tables which have been formed during hundreds of years of careful observation; or each observer may form his own tables by collecting a number of old almanacks one for each of the last forty years: separate the times of the eclipses in each year, and arrange them in a tabular form. On looking over the various items he will soon discover parallel cases, or “cycles” of eclipses; that is, taking the eclipses in the first year of his table, and examining those of each succeeding year, he will notice peculiarities in each year’s phenomena; but on arriving to the items of the nineteenth and twentieth years, he will perceive that some of the eclipses in the earlier part of the table will have been now repeated–that is to say, the times and characters will be alike. If the time which has elapsed between these two parallel or similar eclipses be carefully noted, and called a “cycle,” it will then be a very simple and easy matter to predict any future similar eclipse, because, at the end of the “cycle,” such similar eclipse will be certain to occur; or, at least, because such repetitions of similar phenomena have occurred in every cycle of between eighteen and nineteen years during the last several thousand years, it may be reasonably expected that if the natural world continues to have the same general structure and character, such repetitions may be predicted for all future time. The whole process is neither more nor less–except a little more complicated–than that because an express train had been observed for many years to pass a given point at a given second–say of every eighteenth day, so at a similar moment of every cycle or eighteenth day, for a hundred or more years to. come, the same might be predicted and expected. To tell the actual day and second, it is only necessary to ascertain on what day of the week the eighteenth or “cycle day” falls.

Tables of the places of the sun and moon, of eclipses, and of kindred phenomena, have existed for thousands of years, and were formed independently of each other, by the Chaldean, Babylonian, Egyptian, Hindoo, Chinese, and other ancient astronomers. Modern science has had nothing to do with these; farther than rendering them a little more exact, by averaging and reducing the fractional errors which a longer period of observation has detected.

Footnotes

131:1 “Astronomy and Astronomical Instruments,” p. 105. By George G. Carey.

131:2 McCulloch’s Geography, p. 85.

131:3 “Illustrated London Almanack for 1864,” the astronomical articles in which are by James Glaisher, Esq., of the Greenwich Royal Observatory.

131:4 See “Daily Telegraph,” July 16th, 1870.

133:1 “Philosophical Magazine,” No. 220, for August, 1848.

133:2 “Morning Star,” of Wednesday, March 3rd, 1858.

133:3 Norman Pogson, Esq., Director of the Hartwell Observatory, in “Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society,” March 9th, 1860.

136:1 The Hon. Mrs. Ward, Trimleston House, near Dublin, in “Recreative Science,” p. 281.

137:1 “Illustrated London Almanack for 1864,” by Mr. Glaisher, of Royal Observatory, Greenwich. A beautiful tinted engraving is given, representing the moon, with all the light and dark places, the so-called mountains, seas, &c., plainly visible, during the totality of the eclipse.

137:2 “Physical Description of the Heavens,” p. 356. By Humboldt.

137:3 Plutarch (“De Facia in Orbe Luna”), T. iv., pp. 780-783.

137:4 Dion Cassius (lxv., 11; T., iv.; p. 185. Sturz.)

141:1 “Wanderings in the East,” p. 367. (Edit. 1854). By Rev. J. Gadsby.

141:2 Newspaper Paragraph.

142:1 “Lectures on Astronomy,” p. 67. By M. Arago.

142:2 “Illustrated London News,” of September, 7th, 1861.

144:1 “All the Year Round,” by Dickens.

144:2 “Museum of Science,” p. 115. By Dr. Lardner.

145:1 “Lectures on Astronomy,” p. 66. By M. Arago.

145:2 “Lectures on Chemistry,” p. 334. By Dr. Noad.

149:1 “Herschel’s Astronomy,” pp. 521 and 616.

149:2 “Philosophical Magazine” for 1848, p. 80.

149:3 “Encyclopædia Londinensis.” Art., “Fixed Stars.”

150:1 “Physical Description of the Heavens.” By Humboldt, p. 183, 1867.

150:2 Ibid., p. 184.

150:3 “Comos,” p. 122. By Humboldt.

150:4 Ibid. Notes, p. 71.

151:1 Smith’s “Rise and Progress of Astronomy.

152:1 “Lectures on Natural Philosophy,” p. 370. By Professor Partington.

152:2 Professor Barlow, in “Encyclopædia Metropolitana,” p. 486.

152:3 “Encyclopædia Londinensis,” vol. if., p. 402.

152:4 “Million of Facts.” By Sir Richard Phillips. Page 358.

152:5 Somerville’s “Physical Sciences,” p. 46.

153:1 “Mechanism of the Heavens,” p. 191. By Professor Olmstead, U.S. Observatory.

157:1 “Elements of Astronomy,” p. 309, by W. Maddy, M.A., Fellow of St. John’s College, Cambridge.

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Why A Ship’s Hull Disappears Before The Mast-Head

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Why A Ship’s Hull Disappears Before The Mast-Head

Zetetic Astronomy, by ‘Parallax’ (pseud. Samuel Birley Rowbotham), [1881]

IT has already been proved that the astronomers of the Copernican school merely assumed the rotundity of the earth as a doctrine which enabled them to explain certain well-known phenomena. “What other explanation can be imagined except the sphericity of the earth?” is the language of Professor de Morgan, and it expresses the state of mind of all who hold that the earth is a globe. There is on their part an almost amusing innocence of the fact, than in seeking to explain phenomena by the assumption of rotundity, another assumption is necessarily involved, viz., that nothing else will explain the phenomena in question but the foregone and gratuitous conclusion to which they have committed themselves. To argue, for instance, that because the lower part of an outward-bound vessel disappears before the mast-head, the water must be round, is to assume that a round surface only can produce such an effect. But if it can be shown that a simple law of perspective in connection with a plane surface necessarily produces this appearance, the assumption of rotundity is not required, and all the misleading fallacies and confusion involved in or mixed up with it may be avoided.

Before explaining the influence of perspective in causing-the hull of a ship to disappear first when outward bound, it is necessary to remove an error in its application, which artists and teachers have generally committed, and which if persisted in will not only prevent their giving, as it has hitherto done, absolutely correct representations of natural things, but also deprive them of the power to understand the cause of the lower part of any receding object disappearing to the eye before any higher portion–even though the surface on which it moves is admittedly and provably horizontal.

In the first place it is easily demonstrable that, as shown in the following diagrams, fig. 71, lines which are equi-distant

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FIG. 71

“The range of the eye, or diameter of the field of vision, is

110°; consequently this is the largest angle under which an object can be seen. The range of vision is from 110° to 1°. . . . The smallest angle under which an object can be seen is upon an average, for different sights, the sixtieth part of a degree, or one minute in space; so that when an object is removed from the eye 3000 times its own diameter, it will only just be distinguishable; consequently the greatest distance at which we can behold an object like a shilling of an inch in diameter, is 3000 inches or 250 feet.” 1

The above may be called the law of perspective. It may be given in more formal language, as the following:. when any object or any part thereof is so far removed that its greatest diameter subtends at the eye of the observer, an angle of one minute or less of a degree, it is no longer visible.

From the above it follows:–

1.–That the larger the object the further will it require to go from the observer before it becomes invisible.

2.–The further any two bodies, or any two parts of the same body, are asunder, the further must they recede before they appear to converge to the same point.

3.–Any distinctive part of a receding body will be-come invisible before the whole or any larger part of the same body.

The first and second of the above propositions are self-evident. The third may be illustrated by the following diagram, fig. 73.

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FIG. 73

Let A represent a disc of wood or card-board, say one foot in diameter, and painted black, except one inch diameter in the centre. On taking this disc to about a hundred feet away from an observer at A, the white centre will appear considerably diminished–as shown at B–and on removing it still further the central white will become invisible, the disc will appear as at C, entirely black. Again, if a similar disc is coloured black, except a segment of say one inch in depth at the lower edge, on moving it forward the lower segment will gradually disappear, as shown at A, B, and C, in diagram fig. 74. If the

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Fig. 74

disc is allowed to rest on a board D, the effect is still more striking. The disc at C will appear perfectly round–the white segment having disappeared.

The erroneous application of perspective already referred to is the following:–It is well known that on looking along a row of buildings of considerable length, every object below the eye appears to ascend towards the eye-line; and every thing above the eye appears to descend towards the same eye-line; and an artist, wishing to represent such a view on paper, generally adopts the following rule:–draw a line across the paper or canvas at the altitude of the eye. To this line, as a vanishing point, draw all other lines above and below it, irrespective of their distance, as in the diagram 75.

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Fig. 75

Let A, B, and C, D, represent two lines parallel but not equi-distant from the eye-line E, H. To an observer at E, the vanishing point of C, D, would be at H, because the lines C, D, and E, H, would come together at H, at an angle of one minute of a degree. But it is evident from a single glance at the diagram that H cannot be the vanishing point of A, B, because the distance E, A, being greater than E, C, the angle A, H, E, is also greater than C, H, E–is, in fact, considerably more than one minute of a degree. Therefore the line A, B, cannot possibly have its vanishing point on the line E, H, unless it is carried forward towards W. Hence the line A, W, is the true perspective line of A, B, forming an angle of one minute at W, which is the true vanishing point of A, B, as H is the vanishing point of C, D, and G, H, because these two lines are equidistant from the eye-line.

The error in perspective, which is almost universally committed, consists in causing lines dissimilarly distant from the eye-line to converge to one and the same vanishing point. Whereas it is demonstrable that lines most distant from an eye-line must of necessity converge less rapidly, and must be carried further over the eye-line before they meet it at the angle one minute, which constitutes the vanishing point.

A very good illustration of the difference is given in fig. 76. False or prevailing perspective would bring the lines A, B, and C, D, to the same point H; but the true or natural perspective

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Fig. 76

brings the line A, B, to the point W, because there and there only does A, W, E, become the same angle as C, H, E. It must be the same angle or it is not the vanishing point.

The law represented in the above diagram is the “law of nature.” It may be seen in every layer of a long wall; in every hedge and bank of the roadside, and indeed in every direction where lines and objects run parallel to each other; but no illustration of the contrary perspective is ever to be seen in nature. In the pictures which abound in our public and private collections, however, it may too often be witnessed, giving a degree of distortion to paintings and drawings–otherwise beautifully executed, which

strikes the observer as very unnatural, but, as he supposes, artistically or theoretically correct.

The theory which affirms that all parallel lines converge to one and the same point on the eye-line, is an error. It is true only of lines equi-distant from the eye-line; lines more or less apart meet the eye-line at different distances, and the point at which they meet is that only where each forms the angle of one minute of a degree, or such other angular measure as may be decided upon as the vanishing point. This is the true law of perspective as shown by nature herself; any idea to the contrary is fallacious, and will deceive whoever may hold and apply it to practice.

In accordance with the above law of natural perspective, the following illustrations are important as representing actually observed phenomena. In a long row of lamps, standing on horizontal ground, the pedestals, if short, gradually diminish until at a distance of a few hundred yards they seem to disappear, and the upper and thinner parts of the lamp posts appear to touch the ground, as shown in the following diagram, fig. 77.

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Fig. 77

The lines A, B, and C, D, represent the actual depth or length of the whole series of lamps, as from C to A. An observer placing his eye a little to the right or left of the point E, and looking along the row will see that each succeeding pedestal appears shorter than the preceding, and at a certain distance the line C, D, will appear to meet the eye-line at H–the pedestals at that point being no longer visible, the upper portion of each succeeding lamp just appears to stand without pedestal. At the point H where the pedestals disappear the upper portions of the lamps seem to have shortened considerably, as shown by the line A, W, but long after the pedestals have entered the vanishing point, the tops will appear above the line of sight E, H, or until the line A, W, meets the line E, H, at an angle of one minute of a degree. A row of lamps such as that above described may be seen in York Road, which for over 600 yards runs across the south end of Regent’s Park, London.

On the same road the following case may at any time be seen.

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Fig. 78

Send a young girl, with short garments, from C on towards D; on advancing a hundred yards or more (according to the depth of the limbs exposed) the bottom of the frock or longest garment will seem to touch the ground; and on arriving at H, the vanishing point of the lines C, D, and E, H, the limbs will have disappeared, and the upper part of the body would continue visible, but gradually shortening until the line A, B, came in contact with E, H, at the angle of one minute.

If a receding train be observed on a long, straight, and horizontal portion of railway, the bottom of the last carriage will seem to gradually get nearer to the rails, until at about the distance of two miles the line of rail and the bottom of the carriage will seem to come together, as shown in fig. 79.

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Fig. 79

The south bank of the Duke of Bridgewater’s canal (which passes between Manchester and Runcorn) in the neighbourhood of Sale and Timperley, in Cheshire, runs parallel to the surface of the water, at an elevation of about eighteen inches, and at this point the canal is a straight line for more than a statute mile. On this bank eight flags, each 6 ft. high, were placed at intervals of 300 yards, and on looking from the towing path on the opposite side, the bank seemed in the distance to gradually diminish in depth, until the grass and the surface of the water converged to a point, and the last flag appeared to stand not on the bank but in the water of the canal, as shown in the diagram fig. 80.

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Fig. 80

The flags and the bank had throughout the whole length the altitude and the depth represented by the lines respectively A, B, and C, D.

Shooting out into Dublin Bay there is a long wall about three statute miles in length, and at the end next to the sea stands the Poolbeg Lighthouse. On one occasion the author sitting in a boat opposite “Irish Town,” and three miles from the sea end of the wall, noticed that the lighthouse seemed to spring from the water, as shown in the diagram fig. 81.

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Fig. 81

The top of the wall seemed gradually to decline towards the sea level, as from B to A; but on rowing rapidly towards A the lighthouse was found to be standing on the end of the wall, which was at least four feet vertical depth above the water. as seen in the following diagram, fig. 82.

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Fig. 82

From the several cases now advanced, which are selected from a great number of instances involving the same law, the third proposition (on page 203) that “any distinctive part of a body will become invisible before the whole or any larger part of the same body,” is sufficiently demonstrated. It will therefore be readily seen that the hull of a receding ship obeying the same law must disappear on a plane surface, before the mast head. If it is put in the form of a syllogism the conclusion is inevitable:–

Any distinctive part of a receding object becomes invisible before the whole or any larger part of the same object.

The hull is a distinctive part of a ship.

Ergo, the hull of a receding or outward bound ship must disappear before the whole, inclusive of the mast head.

To give the argument a more practical and nautical character it may be stated as follows:

That part of any receding body which is nearest to the surface upon which it moves, contracts, and becomes in-visible before the parts which are further away from such surface–as shown in figs. 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, and 70.

The hull of a ship is nearer to the water–the surface on which it moves–than the mast head.

Ergo, the hull of an outward bound ship must be the first to disappear.

This will be seen mathematically in the following diagram, fig. 83.

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Fig. 83

The line A, B, represents the altitude of the mast head; E, H, of the observer, and C, D, of the horizontal surface of the sea. By the law of perspective the surface of the water appears to ascend towards the eye-line, meeting it at the point H, which is the horizon. The ship appears to ascend the inclined plane C, H, the hull gradually becoming less until on arriving at the horizon H it is apparently so small that its vertical depth subtends an angle, at the eye of the observer, of less than one minute of a degree, and it is therefore invisible; whilst the angle subtended by the space between the mast-head and the surface of the water is considerably more than one minute, and therefore although the hull has disappeared in the horizon as the vanishing point, the mast-head is still visible above the horizon. But the vessel continuing to sail, the mast-head gradually descends in the direction of the line A, W, until at length it forms the same angle of one minute at the eye of the observer, and then becomes invisible.

Those who believe that the earth is a globe have often sought to prove it to be so by quoting the fact that when the ship’s hull has disappeared, if an observer ascends to a higher position the hull again becomes visible. But this, is logically premature; such a result arises simply from the fact that on raising his position the eye-line recedes further over the water before it forms the angle of one minute of a degree, and this includes and brings back the hull within the vanishing point, as shown in fig. 84.

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Fig. 84

The altitude of the eye-line E, H, being greater, the horizon or vanishing point is formed at fig. 2 instead of at fig. 1, as in the previous illustration.

Hence the phenomenon of the hull of an outward bound vessel being the first to disappear, which has been so universally quoted and relied upon as proving the rotundity of the earth, is fairly, both logically and mathematically, a proof of the very contrary, that the earth is a plane. It has been misunderstood and misapplied in consequence of an erroneous view of the laws of perspective, and the unconquered desire to support a theory. That it is valueless for such a purpose is now completely demonstrated.

Footnotes

203:1 “Wonders of Science,” by Mayhew, p. 357.

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