David Icke’s Comment on the Flat Earth

David Icke evades the flat earth question.

David Icke evades the flat earth question.

David Icke makes a recent comment on the flat earth. Though Ick has good information on the current news of the world and the conspiracies behind it, but he mixes truth with lies or, should I say, fantasy. If you have read this books, you know he has one where he thinks that reptilian aliens are controlling human think from the moon! (Lol.) In this video clip he talks about the non-reality of life. This is Bull. The non-reality of life is a big part of his seminars and books.

Ick is a real “nutter.” He doesn’t address the flat earth issue in any serious manner. He questions if we really live on earth. He said is the flat earth round or square. Is the sky blue or pink? The big danger for people who believe in Icke’s non-reality are several.

1) When someone buys into this, they really don’t care about things around them. On the one hand they say “this isn’t reality,” on the other, they show concern about chemtails, the engineered wars, etc. So, if this is not reality, why care? When people really don’t care, they lose their love, concern and care for their fellow man. If Icke really feels that this is “not reality” then let someone try to rob him and see what he says. He’ll yell, “Give me my money back!”

  1. The other thing that is wrong with Icke’s statement about the earth is he does not address it in a logical and scientific manner. Even in this so-called “non-reality state,” it takes science to develop all the things we have of civilization. If it wasn’t for people who believe in what they see; who believe in the things around them, we would not have books and computers for example. Without these two, David Icke would not have been known world-wide, nor would have the money coming to him from these two sources. So, when you dig deeper with the people who follow David Icke, they really do believe in reality or otherwise they’d be living in caves and wouldn’t give a sh*t about anything – they are hypocrites.

  2. Finally, people who believe in Icke’s “non-reality” don’t believe in the God of the Bible. They have a “god” that is some impersonal energy source who likes to fool his created humans and put them in some kind of virtual reality computer simulation game and play with their mind. In short, it’s another religion and a heathen one to be sure.

Once people buy into this non-reality junk they seem to buy into all the Bull that people like David Icke spouts. This leaves a big opening into your mind to fill it with lies. Haven’t we got enough lies without more added to it? To illustrate this, people who follow Icke believes what he tells you about reptilian aliens make up the British Royal family, and that reptilians control humans through some sort of “ray” that they beam to us. He says all this without a shred of evidence, of course. So, with evidence people buy into it.

Check out his video here (unless you are already fed up with him). Click Here.

 

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UFO Believers and the Flat Earth

UFO Believers and the Flat Earth

Do you believe in UFOs and Aliens visiting us from other planets? If you do, you’ll probably have a strong bias against the flat earth theory. If you have made your reputation on UFOs and you are known as “the UFO guy” you’ll probably have more of a resistance of listening to flat earth information. Why? Because this is how most humans are. If they have more than just a belief in the possibility of E.T.s visiting the earth, they will probably reject the flat earth – even if you give logical explanation after explanation, they will not believe it.

Now, think about those who have made money from the UFO dissemination, people like Jeff Rense and George Noony of Coast to Coast AM. They have a lot more at stake. These two people probably have the most popular websites in the world if you are into UFOs. They have guests on their talk shows that give UFO updates and they have authors of books on the subject.

What would they do if Rense, for example, were to listen to the flat earth information – would he accept it or would he reject it? If he accepted it, then he would have to publicly announce that he doesn’t believe in Aliens from space, Planet X, Alien abductions and the rest of it. Would he take down all the articles that pertain to this? Would he delete all the audio files of interviews with people who do believe in it? And what would he say to those he calls his friends that have written books on the subject – would he risk losing their friendship?

Now, what about those who have written books on the UFO phenomenon – would they believe in the flat earth? Would they risk future income by not writing on UFOs? Or would they ignore the facts that are presented to them – no matter how strong?

Unfortunately, mankind will deny anything that goes against their long held beliefs – especially if they have made money on it in some way.

Now, I’m not picking on Jeff Rense. I think he is a fine guy and he does expose other conspiracies that is going on and he does have guests that talk on other subjects on government scandals, false flag operations, ect, but I just used him as someone who has made his identity, if you will, on the subject of UFOs.

Now, there is an exception to the rule and that is when Mark Sargent was guest on the Coast to Coast AM program back in May of 2015. So, how did Mark talk on the flat earth with host of the largest radio program who has one main topic of Aliens? He lied, as he claimed that the dome (firmament) above the earth was created by Aliens, that they created the earth, that they are observing us! This is out right rubbish and he knows it. No other flat earther – with the exception of deceivers – state that. With these lies it did not “ruffle the feathers” of Host George Noony. Mark did not get this information from Eric Dubay and he did not get it from old flat earth booklets and books. So, that is how Mark was able to get on Coast to Coast radio – he admitted that E.T.s are invovled. If Noony had someone like Eric on, the outcome would have been quite different.

For those who are new to this blog site and who don’t know about the flat earth. First, I would encourage you to read the articles and watch the videos here. Before you do, I just want to say that there are no Aliens out there, no E.T.s built the dome, and you can’t fly in and out. However, there is a Creator God who did build the dome (firmament), who created the earth and who watches over us.

Before I leave, I know that you may have many questions as to:

What about all those abductions?

What about the ancient astronauts?

What about the thousands of UFO sightings world wide over the millennia?

This would take a book to write about. But I do suggest you look on YouTube for the documentary film “Ancient Aliens Debunked” and this will answer many of your questions.

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Matt Boylan and Mark Sargent Are Wrong on Flat Earth Topics

Matt Boylan and Mark Sargent Are Wrong on Flat Earth Topics

There was an interview done by Coast to Coast with guest Mark Sargent which you can hear on YouTube. One point in the audio, Mark was asked why there is dome; why are we kept in here. His response is that there are others out there that don’t want us to come in contact with them; that we will mess it up for them. He said that Matt feels pretty much the same way.

The reason why I bring this up is that these two people are big in the flat earth movement. There are other flat earthers who disagree with these two people, including Eric Dubay, the people on his chat forum. And, Christian Flat Earth Ministry disagree. Let me explain.

Mark Sargent puts out some good flat earth information but where he is wrong will lead good people astray. He talks about that the dome was made by others, implying an alien race. That they want to keep us in this enclosed dome and that is why it is there. With that in mind, listeners will still believe in aliens and if they don’t believe in them now, will be lead to believe in aliens.

First, most flat earthers, including myself, know that the dome or whatever you want to call it was not built by another civilization but by Yahweh himself. We are told this in the Bible, so what more do you want. To say that it was built by E.T.s then Mark will have some explaining to do, namely, where did they come from?

If some other race outside of earth built it, then where do they live? Does that mean that Mark Sargent believes that there are other worlds out there? And are these other worlds globes speeding through space? If they are flat, then show some proof.

In this Coast to Coast interview with George Noony, George does not ask the obvious questions about what kind of planet do the aliens live on – is it round or flat? And, whatever shape, how does that fit in with the earth?

What this dome is, which the Bible calls the “firmament,” that it keeps our atmosphere in place. Think if you are to make a contained living space but the animals need a certain kind of atmosphere, what you would you need to keep it in? You’ll need some form of dome (probably a glass one) would you not? If you were to make an atmosphere that is composed of different ratios of gas than what we have on the outside, you’ll need a dome to do so, otherwise it will quickly drift away from this little land area that you created in a lab. Now imagine that this kind of animal needs a different ratio of gases than what we breath, they would die if there was not a dome to keep it in. After all, air very easily drifts away. It doesn’t matter what kind of gas it is, it could be oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, argon or carbon dioxide, all gases are very susceptible to air movement.

This firmament serves two purposes, one to keep out atmosphere in, and two, to keep us inside.

What is on the outside?

We just have the Bible to go on but this book has proved to be the word of God, so we can absolutely trust it. Over the dome we are told is heaven and where the throne of God is. There has to be some form of dividing. And as for what they breath, I don’t know, so that must be another reason. Since we are talking about the spirit world, I don’t know what they breath or even if they have to. Just thank God that the beautiful dome with the stars in it is there.

With Mark Sargent taking God out of the equation and saying that aliens put us here is going back to what the Jew World Order wants us to believe, or soon wants us to believe. What is that? That aliens created us and not Yahweh God.

As for other planets, as for endless space? There isn’t any. All we have to do is read the Bible again to find out answers. John 3.16 says, for God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not die but have everlasting life.

What does this verse mean that millions of Christians know by heart? It means, in addition to believing in Christ that we shall live forever but it has another message. “Only begotten” means one. And what that means – there can’t be other planets out there! For if there were billions of other planets – as we are told – then logic would say at least a small percentage would have sin. And if they have sin, how would they be saved? Knowing about the flat earth should really humble us in that we are the “apple of God’s eyes;” that He really does love us and He is watching right over our head.

We are the object of God’s attention and with that, that means there can’t be billions, millions, or even thousands of other planets out there that God has to give attention to. This means that outside of the firmament (dome) is NOT what Matt and Mark would have you believe it is.

Mark Sargent goes on to say in this interview “…that it’s not just the world leaders want to make us think we are on a ball but also those who built it; as the globe model will serve their (meaning aliens) purpose. As a globe model would keep us from knowing we are under a dome.” These are not his exact words but this is the essence of what he said.

Again, mark Sargent is wrong by saying that aliens put us here and that the globe would keep us from looking at the boundaries. While it is true that a globe earth will not make us think that we are contained in here, it is NOT the aliens that created us or created the earth. It’s God that did the creating.

He is also wrong in that this is meant to be kept from us. God did not act like the world leaders to make us think our earth is different than what it really is. God Himself told us about the nature of the earth, he did not deceive us as our world leaders have done. And, we have not been deceived by some alien race that built earth. God said there is a dome (firmament) over us. He said the Sun moves (as opposed to the earth). He said the earth has foundations that it cannot move (disproves the speeding earth through space). God said that he sits above the circle of the earth (you can only have a circle on a flat surface).

The goal of the Jew World Leaders is to announce soon that the aliens made us, as they have give up on the evolution as it caused too many problems for them. So, that is why you see major mainstream media introducing the alien visitation without the snide remarks that they used to make. Of course, by saying that aliens created us and the earth gets us away from God and his laws that we are to have. It will still make us worship a false god or no God at all. So, I see Mark Sargent steering the flat earth movement away from the God of the Bible, and leading it to aliens from another planet. All of this is alignment with the anti-Christs world leaders. The final question is, is Mark doing this on his own or is he working on the world leaders’ behalf? In any case, we will be lead away from the knowledge of the true God.

I would think that Mark is deliberately in agreement with the N.W.O. Why? Because, he has been to other flat earth sites, he’s read the posts and read the old flat earth booklets. In the flat earth booklets of 100 years ago, they were Christians, so he knows the many references to the geocentric earth and the Bible. And, Mark must surely know of Bob Skiba. In fact he was interviewed by him. Bob has done an excellent job in making the flat earth knowledge with the Bible. So, why didn’t Mark tell of the Bible connections to the flat earth? If he doesn’t believe in it, then why didn’t he try to debunk it?

To sum up, Mark does make good points in his videos and in his interviews, so you may see a video or two by him on this site. I just wanted to point out important errors he made.

No one has all the answers to this flat earth information, and I don’t have it, but what I’m sure in and what I think is important I have to bring it to the attention of others. Saying that aliens created us and/or created the earth and its surrounding is blasphemy. What else could I call it? Just don’t accept everything that Mark Sargent or Matt Boylan say.

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 5

The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles. Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles. This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions! One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude. On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality. This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South traveled the farther the divide.

“From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles. These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (52)

Similar calculations made from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa to Melbourne, Australia at an average latitude of 35.5 degrees South, have given an approximate figure of over 25,000 miles, which is again equal to or greater than the Earth’s supposed greatest circumference at the equator. Calculations from Sydney, Australia to Wellington, New Zealand at an average of 37.5 degrees South have given an approximate circumference of 25,500 miles, greater still! According to the ball-Earth theory, the circumference of the Earth at 37.5 degrees Southern latitude should be only 19,757 statute miles, almost six thousand miles less than such practical measurements.

“The above calculations are, as already stated, only proximate; but as liberal allowances have been made for irregularities of route, etc., they are sufficiently accurate to prove that the degrees of longitude, as we proceed south-wards, do not diminish, as they would upon a globe, but expand or increase, as they must if the earth is a plane; or, in other words, the farthest point, or greatest latitude south, must have the greatest circumference and degrees of longitude.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (258)

“Parallels of latitude only – of all imaginary lines on the surface of the Earth – are circles, which increase, progressively, from the northern centre to the southern circumference. The mariner’s course in the direction of any one of these concentric circles is his longitude, the degrees of which INCREASE to such an extent beyond the equator (going southwards) that hundreds of vessels have been wrecked because of the false idea created by the untruthfulness of the charts and the globular theory together, causing the sailor to be continually getting out of his reckoning. With a map of the Earth in its true form all difficulty is done away with, and ships may be conducted anywhere with perfect safety. This, then, is a very important practical proof that the Earth is not a globe.” –William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (14)

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 4

During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.

“The commanders of these various expeditions were, of course, with their education and belief in the earth’s rotundity, unable to conceive of any other cause for the differences between log and chronometer results than the existence of currents. But one simple fact is entirely fatal to such an explanation, viz., that when the route taken is east or west the same results are experienced. The water of the southern region cannot be running in two opposite directions at the same time; and hence, although various local and variable currents have been noticed, they cannot be shown to be the cause of the discrepancies so generally observed in high southern latitudes between time and log results. The conclusion is one of necessity, forced upon us by the sum of the evidence collected that the degrees of longitude in any given southern latitude are larger than the degrees in any latitude nearer to the northern center; thus proving the already more than sufficiently demonstrated fact that the earth is a plane, having a northern center, in relation to which degrees of latitude are concentric, and from which degrees of longitude are diverging lines, continually increasing in their distance from each other as they are prolonged towards the great glacial southern circumference.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (261)

“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” –Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

“In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine – in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks – from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.” –Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”

The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

 

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 3

“If we now consider the fact that when we travel by land or sea, and from any part of the known world, in a direction towards the North polar star, we shall arrive at one and the same point, we are forced to the conclusion that what has hitherto been called the North Polar region, is really the center of the Earth. That from this northern center the land diverges and stretches out, of necessity, towards a circumference, which must now be called the Southern region: which is a vast circle, and not a pole or center … In this and other ways all the great navigators have been frustrated in their efforts, and have been more or less confounded in their attempts to sail round the Earth upon or beyond the Antarctic circle. But if the southern region is a pole or center, like the north, there would be little difficulty in circumnavigating it, for the distance round would be comparatively small. When it is seen that the Earth is not a sphere, but a plane, having only one center, the north; and that the south is the vast icy boundary of the world, the difficulties experienced by circumnavigators can be easily understood.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (21-23)

If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude South of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther South traveled. In other words, the circumference at 10 degrees South latitude would comprise a smaller circle than at the equator, 20 degrees South latitude would comprise a circle smaller than 10, and so on. If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude South of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circumference the farther South traveled. 10 degrees South latitude will comprise a larger circle than the equator, 20 degrees South latitude will comprise a circle larger than 10, and so on. Likewise, if the Earth were a globe, lines of longitude would bubble out at the equator while converging at both poles. Whereas if the Earth is an extended plane, lines of longitude should simply expand straight outwards from the North Pole. So which is actually the case?

“Upon the principle, as taught by Scripture and common observation, that the world is not a Planet, but consists of vast masses of land stretched out upon level seas, the North being the centre of the system, it is evident that the degrees of longitude will gradually increase in width the whole way from the North centre to the icy boundary of the great Southern Circumference. In consequence of the difference between the actual extent of longitudes and that allowed for them by the Nautical Authorities, which difference, at the latitude of the Cape of Good Hope, has been estimated to amount to a great number of miles, many Ship-masters have lost their reckoning, and many vessels have been wrecked. Ship-captains, who have been educated in the globular theory, know not how to account for their getting so much out of their course in Southern latitudes, and generally put it down to currents; but this reason is futile, for although currents may exist, they do not usually run in opposite directions, and vessels are frequently wrecked, whether sailing East or West.” –David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (102)

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 2

Before reaching the Antarctic ice-wall, navigating the increasingly tumultuous Southern oceans, explorers encounter the longest, darkest, coldest nights and the most dangerous seas and storms anywhere on Earth. Vasco de Gama, an early 16th century Portuguese explorer of the South Seas wrote how, “The waves rise like mountains in height; ships are heaved up to the clouds, and apparently precipitated by circling whirlpools to the bed of the ocean. The winds are piercing cold, and so boisterous that the pilot’s voice can seldom be heard, whilst a dismal and almost continual darkness adds greatly to the danger.”

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

On October 5th, 1839 another explorer, James Clark Ross began a series of Antarctic voyages lasting a total of 4 years and 5 months. Ross and his crew sailed two heavily armored warships thousands of miles, losing many men from hurricanes and icebergs, looking for an entry point beyond the southern glacial wall. Upon first confronting the massive barrier Captain Ross wrote of the wall, “extending from its eastern extreme point as far as the eye could discern to the eastward. It presented an extraordinary appearance, gradually increasing in height, as we got nearer to it, and proving at length to be a perpendicular cliff of ice, between one hundred and fifty feet and two hundred feet above the level of the sea, perfectly flat and level at the top, and without any fissures or promontories on its even seaward face. We might with equal chance of success try to sail through the cliffs of Dover, as to penetrate such a mass.”

“Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,’ is often said by those who don’t know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region – indirectly, to be sure – but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles – a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

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Antarctica and the Flat Earth, part 1

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Bases on Antarctic

Knowledge about the Antarctica and the ice wall is an important study for those who want to know more about the flat earth. Here are a series of Post from what writers and explores of more than 100 years ago said. Back then, what the Antarctica explores said about their discoveries were not censored. Here is the first post from old flat earth booklets.

“The ice-barrier, so frequently referred to in accounts of the Antarctic regions, is the fore-front of the enormous glacier-covering, or ice-cap, which, accumulating in vast, undulating fields from the heavy snowfall, and ultimately attaining hundreds, if not thousands, of feet in thickness, creeps from the continent of Antarctica into the polar sea. The ice-barrier, yet a part of the parent ice-cap, presents itself to the navigator who has boldness enough to approach its fearful front, as a solid, perpendicular wall of marble-like ice, ranging from one thousand to two thousand feet in thickness, of which from one hundred to two hundred feet rises above, and from eight hundred to eighteen hundred feet sinks below, the level of the sea.” -Greely, General A. W. “Antarctica, or the Hypothetical Southern Continent.” Cosmopolitan 17 (1894): p. 296

“It has been demonstrated that the earth is a plane, the surface-centre of which is immediately underneath the star called ‘Polaris,’ and the extremities of which are bounded by a vast region of ice and water and irregular masses of land. The whole terminates in fog and darkness, where snow and driving hail, piercing sleet and boisterous winds, howling storms, madly-mounting waves, and clashing icebergs are almost constant.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (117)

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What Made Christians Believe In A Flat Earth?

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By Richard Snowden

(Note: This is more of a homework assignment rather than an article that tells you everything. Enjoy!)

What made Christians believe in a flat earth – as the one that you see here? What made the ancient Israelites (as opposed to Jews) believe in a flat earth?

In this picture you see:

a flat earth

a dome structure

waters beneath the earth

stars in the firmament

foundations of the earth

God in heaven above the firmament

A simple answer as to how the ancient Israelites/Christians believe as they did was because they believed what God wrote (inspired men). They searched the scripture for other verses with the key words. Also, there wasn’t the false prophets that you see on TV today that influenced their study. They used logic in their research. Finally, they did care or know of “political correctness’.”

So, how can you confirm this and come to the same conclusion as the above picture? Here are some simple things to keep in mind.

Just do a word search with such words as:

Heaven

earth

firmament

sun

moon

stars

If you have a Bible software program, such as e-sword that you get from e-sword.net you can get this for free. Then it’s very easy to find all the relative verses. Write down all the key characteristics

Doing a search on each word, you’ll have a good idea of how our little universe really looks like.

When you do your research in the bible, your model of heaven and earth should come close to what you see pictured here. Finally, when you read secular articles or watch videos on the flat earth, you’ll see it matches what the Bible says. In short, God did tell us much of how earth really looks like.

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Heaven and Earth Verses Indicates a Flat Earth

by Richard Snowden

There are about 18 verses in the Bible where the words “heaven” and “earth” appear relatively close to each other. By reading these verses, we get an indication of the nature of the earth.

In Gen. 49.25 we read: Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

In Deut 4.39 we read: Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

(The underlines are mine.)

We read the words “above” and “below” which has much more significance then what we usually think. If the earth is round, what is “above” for England is not “above” for people in Chile. There would be those who agree but they would say, “That’s the practical way to describe it; we have to use our perception.” I would agree with them if the earth is a globe. But if the earth is flat than the words “above” and “below” would have more meaning. In fact, so would words “up” and “down” would have more of a meaning, too.

You can only have a “above” and “below” if there’s a universal base line; above has to be in relation to something, as does the words below, up and down.

When Christians are asked by non-believers where heaven is, they would say “above,” and point up. Others would phrase it, “somewhere up there.” Then, the atheist could turn around and say, “Where? The universe is estimated to be 13 billion light years in radius. So, exactly where is “where”?

The atheist would say, “In space, there is no above, below, up and down. So, how could God say heaven is above the earth?” At this time, the atheist would use this as another point that the Bible is wrong.

There are millions of Christians who believe in what the astronomers say. The astronomers and other scientists would have to say the Bible is wrong. The Christians, on the other hand would say, “These verses are not meant to be literal.” in short, they’d talk their way out of it. This is not being honest and the non-Christians of whatever type will ridicule the Christians.

Kent Hovid, is a popular Creationist teacher, yet when it comes to the cosmos he believes in just about everything the astronomers say. He believes that there are billions and billions of galaxies and he believes in the distance of the stars. But he ignores the verses such as you see here.

In Deuteronomy we read: (Deu 5:8) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

This verse clearly shows that there is a relationship between heaven, earth and the waters. If the cosmos is what we are told to us by the media, how would heaven have any significance to the earth, which might be 3 billion light years away? In fact, a planet that is “only” 3 million light years away from heaven would have more meaning.

The Clincher

If the universe is as huge as we are told, anyone can argue as to where heaven is. One person can say it’s a million miles up and another can argue 1 million or 1 billion light years. But if the earth is flat and we are the only planet (plane), then heaven would be a very close to the earth. Again, keep in mind there is no “above” or “below” in space.

(Psa 103:11) For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

Now, here is a very interesting verse:

(Isa 14:13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

If the universe is what we are told by astronomers and others, how would it be possible to get above the stars? This is where Christians will say something like, “it’s figurative and not to be taken literally.” And, this is where atheists and others would say, “You can’t believe in the Bible.” The atheists, agnostics, pagans, Buddhists and others would have a point, “How can you get above the stars?” If you “ascend” above the stars, you’d have to be traveling pretty fast to catch up and keep moving to “stay ahead of the ever expanding universe. And, what would be on the other side.?” They have a point, and that is why Christians would all of a sudden say that this part of the Bible is figurative. I admit that there are some parts of the bible that is figurative. Descriptions in Revelation of the creatures, for example, represent something else. But what if this part of the Bible, as in Isaiah 14.13, were literal. Wouldn’t the Bible have more of a meaning? I certainly think so.

Flat earth believers know that the stars are much closer to earth. There is no agreed upon distance, but the figures anywhere from a couple of hundred miles to a couple of thousand miles. For we read in other parts of the Bible that the stars are in the firmament, which, in turn covers the earth. With this in mind, it’s understandable that a fallen angel can see himself above the stars. For, above the stars would be heaven itself and where Yahweh is.

Here is another verse that talks about being above the stars. (Nah 3:16) Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.

I hope you have a better understanding of the earth and its surrounds. Continue to check out the bible and find out more for yourself.

 

 

 

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