Christian Flat Earth Ministry

By “Richlion”

In the previous post, I talked about the stars and their so-called distance from the earth.

What I will cover in this article are:

Photos of stars and galaxies

What does the Bible say about the stars

Firmament – what is it?

Photos of stars and galaxies

  Your first comment might be, “What about all those photos of the stars and the galaxies – how can they be close to the earth without us burning up? How can they be close without the astronomers and NASA not telling us?”

I don’t want you to believe me but do your own research. Look at photos of galaxies on Google. Do you think that some someone with a computer and imaging editing software could do something like that? You’ve seen beautiful pictures like this in the films, and how was that done? By computers. Remember 2001 A Space Odessy shown to the world in 1968? That looked real and all that was done without the computer programs we have today.

Still don’t believe? I don’t expect you, so let’s go on. The pictures of the galaxies usually has a section done in beuatiful color; any color you can think of are part of galaxies. Take one galaxy that has, for example, a magneta color that fills space that looks like it could cover 100 or 1,000 light years in length. Now, what produces that? Surely it can be a star as any star that gives off that much light would destroy all the stars and planet within that area. And where is that HUGE star? All I’ve seen are little points of lights – nothing so big that would justify such a huge part of the galaxy to light up.

Now, take a look at one of our planets in our solar system; pick one out any one. Say Saturn. When you bring up images on Google, why are there so many variations? Why are the rings of different shapes. Sure, there are some things that are kept the same, they do have to put rings around it, an they do have the “eye” that is always there, but there are too many other variations. Now, look at those photos again, can they be made by computer imaging graphics? Sure they can.

In short, all these “photos” are done by computer or by hand. Look at the artificial satellites – they are really fake looking. Look how show-room clean they are and look at the beautiful composite with the sun and the earth lined up just right – it looks like a studio shot.

I know you need more convincing than this, so let’s explore some more…

What does the Bible say about the stars

   There are many verses that has the word “stars” in them. We read that the seed of Abraham is compared to the stars in multitude. But what we want to look at is different context for stars. Here are some of them (this list is not complete but it will give you an idea):

Gen_1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

If stars were huge balls of fire, and that there are billions and trillions of them, don’t you think it would take God longer than a week to make them?

Job_9:7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

Why “seal up the stars” that are billions of light years away?

Job_22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!

If the Universe is what we are told, then a “height of the stars” would have no meaning. There is no “up or down” in space; where is the base point, the ground from which to measure the height of something?

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

This sounds like something more that a nuclear chain reaction of plasma gas that is million miles in diameter. It sounds like something that has intelligence and sings.

Psa_147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

Now, there could be 3,000 stars and God knows all their names but a billion x a billion stars and knowing their names?

Dan_8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

This verse gives us the first indication of the size of stars. If stars are what we are told, even one star getting closer than 93 million miles would burn up the earth. So, how can stars come to the earth, unless they are very small and NOT a burning mass of gasious fire? It looks like these stars can be stamped upon, which would also indicate that there would be life still on the earth and not mass destruction. Now, many preachers would say, “This is figurative.” What I’ve notice that anything that preachers can’t explain, or that is “politically incorrect” they tell us it’s figurative!

Joe_3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Why should God darken the stars millions of light years away from here? We wouldn’t notice the difference. And, since we are TOLD that there is life on other planets, why should other people suffer?

Rev_1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Seven stars in his right hand, sounds like something that can fit in your hand. Is this figurative, too? Read the rest of article before you determine it.

Rev_1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev_2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand,

Again, an indication that something is small.

Rev_6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Here we read of stars falling to earth and comparing it to fig leaves. First, if stars are what we are told, then why would God use something that is the biggest thing you can image as a figure of speech, why not something that is more likely to happen? Also, notice the words “fell unto earth.” When is space what is the horizon, what can fall, what is up and down? There aren’t any. Keep this in mind as we read on.

Firmament – what is it?

Here are some verses with the word “firmament” in it:

Gen_1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

So, what is the firmament?

Firmament Strong’s H 7549 It’s a streching or covering of the sky.

Gen_1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

It looks like something that divides the waters from the waters.

Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen_1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

This firmament there are stars in them, as stars help determine the seasons.

Gen_1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen_1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

This indicates that it has to be relatively close to the earth. Stars thousands of light years away can’t be much use to us in giving light.

Gen_1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

This, I would interpet as the atmosphere where the fowl fly and not the region where the stars are.

Psa_19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

We can see the beauty of God’s handiwork in the stars we do see; they don’t have to be a billion billion stars – which we can’t see. Some preachers would say these billions of stars show’s God’s handiwork but why can’t they see that thosands of stars can’t show his handiwork, too?

Psa_150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

Eze_1:22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

Notice the word “crystal” we’ll come back to that later.

Dan_12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Again, and indication that there are stars in the firmament.

The Bible says a lot about the “firmament” yet few people realize it. I will tell you something here that I have not read on any other flat earth website or seen on a video; I came across this quite by accident. I looked up the word “firmament” in Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary. This is the first dictionary that was complied in America. Back in early America, Christian education was part of educating a child (most of them were home schooled then). In this dictionary when a word is used, many times it would refer to the book and verse in the Bible where it’s found. Christians back then knew much more than Christians today. Noah Website was widely read and he must have learned of something that most people back then did not know. Here is the dictionary entry for “frimament.”

Webster 1828 Dictionary Firmament 1 Consisteing of crystal, as a crystaline palace. 2 Crystaline heavens, in ancient astronomy, two spheres inbetween primum mobile and the firmament, in the Ptolemaic system, which supposed the heavens to be solid and only susceptible of a single motion.

Here we are told that this firmament is like crystal, a mass of some sort. Also, this firmament is mobile and there is motion to it.

In your older Strong’s Concordance of the Bible, the word “firmament” has a meaning that it’s “beaten out, something that is like beaten brass.”

This firmament is believed by some scholars, especially those of centuries ago, that this is over the earth, above where the planes fly and is a dome that reaches down to the outer rim of the earth. This dome keeps our atmosphere in. Inside are the stars, but the stars are little points of light not a million miles in diameter plasma gases. And it is this dome that revolves around the earth, which gives the stars motion. It would be liken to a glass bell jar and within the glass there are the thousands of stars. Then, this bell jar slowly moves around the earth. Therefore, we can’t fly beyond this point or even to it in most cases.

What we see with out telescopes is within this firmament; the rest (all the galaxies) are made with CIG and even paintings. This gives us the impression that there are billions of stars, and thus, our Universe.

I hope you have a better idea of the stars and their relationship to the earth. You’ll probably still have other questions but I hope that you had more of your questions answered. As time goes on, we’ll try to address more questions. So, stay tuned to this blog, bookmark it and tell your friends about it – we appreciate it. God bless you and yours.

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  Astronomer tell us that the stars are anywhere from a few light years away to billions of light years away. We are also told that all the stars are traveling at the speed of light – away from where the “Big Bang” occurred. Finally, we are told that our earth is also moving away from where the “Big Bang” occurred, while, at the same time traveling around the Sun at 67,000mph. If that wasn’t enough our solar system is traveling around The Milky Way at 500,000. Wow! Is all this true? Is all this possible? I say this is not true.

The closest star is said to be Alpha Centauri at 4.37 light years. Ursa Major group is about 80 light years. The furthest is the earliest starts that supposedly shot off during the Big Bang, being 13 billion light years, and, of course, there is all the distance in-between. For our purposes let’s just look at starts that are within 100 light years from earth. Keep this in mind as I continue…

To determine IF the stars are moving, each in their respective directions, let’s first take a look at something from home so we can comprehend all this.

Say you are looking up to your left and there is a jet plane traveling at 500mph at 1,000 feet over head, it would go by fast. Now, this same jet, going at the same speed and going in the same direction is flying at 30,000 feet; it would look like it’s flying much slower. Why? We all know that the further from us the object is, the slower it will appear. This has to do with what is called “parallax.”

Definition: Parallax is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines. Nearby objects have a larger parallax than more distant objects when observed from different positions, so parallax can be used to determine distances.

So, seeing an object move slower that is far away does not mean that object is moving slow – we all know this.

Now, back to seeing stars at night. On a clear night and away from city lights we can see the stars move across the sky. If you were to spot the Big Dipper early in the evening, and you looked out a couple of hours later, you would see it had moved a good distance across the sky. Now, with stars being, say, 100 light years away, that is a HUGE distance. How can that much movement in a few hours be possible? They would have to be moving many, many times the speed of light. In fact, every star in the heavens would have to be moving like that. What would it be, 100 times the speed of light, 1,000 times? In short, the further away the stars are the faster they would have to move, as they all move in unison, so they would have to be moving faster.

The problem with this (and there is more than one problem) and that is, how can stars move that fast without disintegrating? How can their planet hold up to the speed of light much less 1,000 times the speed of light? In fact, how can anything withstand 500,000 mile per HOUR?

How do you determine the truth?

There are two things to consider, and this applies not only to astronomy but to any other topic you can discuss.

1 There are things that we are told

2 There are things that we experience – reality

Now, if you are into the New Ager and follower of David Icke, that there is no reality. Then the System got you! The Elite wants you to believe in no reality, that way it’s easy for you to suspend judgement – then they can tell you anything and you’ll believe anything.

I’m digressing now, so let’s get back on track…

When you are told one thing and you experience another, take the experience as evidence and you’ll be on the right track. (This is not an optical illusion, so we can rule this out.)

“So, where are the stars?”

Well, they have to be a lot closer than what we are told. Now we are TOLD something else, that the stars range in size from something smaller than our Sun, which we are TOLD is about 800,000 miles in diameter to starts that are millions of miles in diameter. (Our Sun is small, so we are told.) Now, with stars that size, they can’t be close or they would be touching each other, and if they are real close – even right out side of our solar system – then we would burn up.

So, we have to settle the size of the stars, what are they exactly and how far (rough approximate) they are from the earth.

One thing that we have determined is that these stars are not billions of light years away, they are not millions or even thousands of light years away. They are much, much closer but I’ll leave that for another article, so check on this blog for that article Distance of Stars Debunked, part 2.