There are globe earth believers who tell a flat earth believer that it’s an iceberg and not an ice wall that is in the Antarctica. This, we heard in the previous post of a host for the Alex Jones Show told a flat earth believer. (Click Here for the Post.) The flat earth guy, Bravo, did not provide a good response. All he said was to bring up a better picture of the ice wall. Though this is good, in part, I would like to add a little something to this.
Just tell your globe believing friend to Google, Antarctic Ice Wall and look look at the pictures. Then Google Iceberg and look at those pictures. There is a big different. If you have a flat earth critic you can ask him to notice the difference and see what he comes up with. Hopefully, he’ll see the difference, if not, just gently point it out to him.
Icebergs are small, like miniature islands, and they are usually rough and not a flat plane on top. Of course, you can have the picture above to show him the difference. The ice wall, as you can see continues back to the horizon. Other sections of it might not go back that far but it’s still a huge piece of ground. The ice wall is also flat where you can put vehicles on it – as pictured here. The ice wall actually blends into the ice that has accumulated on the ground beneath it.
Back to the Alex Jones Show interview with a flat earther. The host asked how the ice wall can contain the water. The answer is, ANYTHING that is above sea level and surrounds a body of water can contain it. It could be ice, sand, rock or anything solid that is above the water line will hold the water back. Now, this is important – even if there are sections of the Antarctic that does not have an ice wall, it can contain the water for the simple fact that the ground rises above the water line. Even globe earth believers will tell you that the Antarctic is a land mass. In order for it to be a land mass it has to be above sea level.
A lake is a good example to show your critic friend of how water can be contained by most anything. No matter what the lake is surrounded by – whether it be sand, clay, ice or whatever, it obviously contains the water. If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be a lake.
Listen to the arguments that this woman and guy brings up to support the globe earth. Then listen to the guy defending himself. How would you defend the flat earth? How would you set up the interview as a flat earth believer? This video can be good to prepare yourself when others debate you in their support of the globe earth model.
On statement (about 10 minutes in) is the guy on the right said, “You have to keep turning the wheel right if you are to circumnavigate the North Pole.” What would you answer?
Christians have a right to self defense but you will not hear this in the churches today. Listen to Pastor John Weaver explain from the Bible why Christians have a right to protect themselves.
Another lie that is taught in churches today and even by some good people that generally know about the New World Order and that is, that Christians don’t have a right to protect themselves. They try to use, as a reason, that Christ did not go around armed, that he did not kill others. They also say ‘that the Law was done away with.’ Is this true? Listen to these two videos and then decide.
In Colonial America, the Puritans had laws that required you to bring your guns to church. Now, you may think that those days are over but are they? You may think that this carrying of weapons into church was because there were many Indians around. This is true BUT we are in even a worse situation today. Pastor Weaver gives current news accounts where the criminal murdered innocent Christians.
Consider what the Muslims have been doing in America and Europe – especially Europe. You have read of attacks of Christians in churches. They are attacked because the heathen thinks it’s safe and that everyone would not be armed. On the other hand the Christians think that to be in a church is one of the safest places to be, so they don’t bring their guns. Well, the Muslims know that the Christians think they are safe. Now, consider this – what if Christians were armed while in church? Listen to the news stories of what happened to Christians when defenseless; listen to the story of when a Christian was armed.
For misguided Christians that say Jesus did not defend himself, this is covered starting at the 30 minute mark in the first video. This is good for all those ‘holier-than-Thou’ people.
In many churches today you have people ‘speaking in tongues.’ this is not biblical as what we read in Acts 2 is people spoke in different languages that was UNDERSTOOD by those who speak that language. This is another sign of a false preacher. Also, the people who do this are being possessed by an evil spirits. Notice that these people don’t have control of their body movement. And of course, during this time there is no Bible teaching. How can you learn anything from the Bible when everyone is acting like monkeys? You can be sure that the churches that have ‘speaking in tongues’ teach other lies, too.
It’s ironic but with my recent posts of pastors attacking flat earth believers, here is a pastor that is starting to learn about the flat earth. Praise God! Now, there may be some things that you disagree with him on (earlier in the video) but listen to what he said about the flat earth. If you want to get right to the part where he talks about this, go to the 20 minute mark and listen. You’ll notice that he says – on the one hand – that doesn’t necessarily believe in the flat earth. On the other hand, he talks about it. Maybe he is feeling water with his congregation?
As you know, the flat earth truth is making its rounds.
“Christians Are Made Foolish If They Believe In A Flat Earth”
I have often heard from preachers that say, “Christians are made foolish if they believe in a flat earth.” And they go on to say or hypothesize that it’s designed by some people to have Christian believe in a flat earth so they can look foolish. In a recent post I wrote about theologians that attacked flat earth believers, this very claim was made. We will examine this to see if these preachers are truthful.
First, we’ll take a look at what is already preached in the churches and see what really is foolish.
We are told:
God’s laws have been done away with (but not man’s laws)
That the people who hate Christ the most are God’s chosen people
That God took 13 billion years to create what we have on earth today (many Christians believe this but not all)
That the Bible cannot be trusted (by many Christians)
Then, there are other lies told to millions of Christians like, Ken and Gloria Copeland, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and others. They say, “I am a god, that we are gods.” They also say that the more you give (to them, of course) the more God will bless you. This is the “Wealth and Prosperity” gospel. These people not only have a huge congregation in their church but also millions of followers on TV.
Any student of the Bible that is worthy of his name will know of the above false beliefs. Of course, there is much more that can be added but just the above is enough. In short, the Christians that believe, for example, that what Copeland preaches is the truth – it is THEM that are made foolish. It is these Christians that are being laughed at by others.
So, why would the government all of a sudden spread the flat earth belief around? Isn’t there enough lies that Christians believe in to make them look foolish? There certainly is! (There are some, otherwise good pastors, who do believe that it’s a government psy-ops job that is doing this.)
You can be sure that the Edomites, Pharisees or whomever you want to call them are sitting back and laughing.
What makes Christians foolish – including those who are not Christians – are those who believe in the heliocentric universe. Of course, we believed in this at one time, too. But you can be sure that those high up in the military and the space agencies around the world know it’s foolishness to believe in trillions of planets and stars zooming through space.
So, let’s look at the real foolishness of a Carl Sagon Universe. Imagine believing in:
water miraculously staying on a ball
that this ball is spinning at 1,000 mph and water still staying on it
that our planet is travelling around the sun at 65,000 mph without us feeling a breeze
that we are also travelling around the Milky Way at half a million miles per hour and we have not disintegrated to pieces
that we can receive beautiful pictures from a billion miles away
This, and much, much more is what makes Christians look foolish. I know, I was foolish at one time but since I was surround by other foolish people, I didn’t know the difference. But when you stop and think about what you are being told, and be honest and humble enough to look at it, you notice the lies that you’ve been told. I know that this is what I had to do and you probably went through the same thing.
We are told that “the meek shall inherit the earth.” But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. (Psa 37:11)
This is true BUT the word meek in Greek means something different; it means ‘teachable.’ It does not mean someone who will allow others to walk all over them. When you are not willing to learn to be taught and think that you learned everything since you were in kindergarten, that is where you are easily fooled.
Even in Webster’s Dictionary it says: mild of temper; soft; gentle; not easily provoked or irritated; yielding; given to forbearance under injuries.
This is a lot difference than what we normally think of.
God said that the ‘wise’ shall become like fools. It is them that – deliberate false preachers or those who have honestly been misled – they are foolish.
But with the many so-called leaders in Christianity today, they might as well continue to believe in a spinning ball where water and people can stay in place and not feel anything. I think that it is consistent that they believe in a heliocentric universe. Why? Because it goes along with the other lies that they preach. We, flat earth believers, are sorting through the lies.
They had their chance, they were witnessed to. If they don’t believe, fine, leave them and take your message to others that have not heard Christ’s truth about the earth. Let the others go their way and we, flat earthers, go our way.
A Response to a Goof-Ball Critic of the Flat Earth
Sometimes we come across a goof-ball critic of the flat earth. Now, I’m not talking about people who are honest critics, I’m talking about a real goof-ball. There was one reader who said – in reference to my post Click Here – a real stupid comment. He said words to the effect, “…flat earth believers are idiots. Don’t you know that is a CGI of the earth?” This was in reference to the picture I had on my post where the flat earth is on the left and some preacher on the right.
Of course I know that it’s a CGI (or, more accurately, an artist’s rendition of the flat earth that was scanned in)! All you readers know this. But this reader had to make a stupid comment as if he was discovering something new. Everyone one that has a flat earth website or makes flat earth videos uses a drawing of some sort of the flat earth. We all know the reason and you do, too, but apparently there are some critics are thinking that flat earth believers are using real photos of the flat earth. Well, we know that it’s a CGI as there is no photo that exists of the flat earth!
This guy’s remark is so stupid that it’s funny! (Thanks for the good laugh!) Assuming this guy is real in his remark and for the few that think the same, let me make a simple comment – how do you get outside the firmament (dome) to take a photo? How do you get above the firmament to get high enough to take a picture or video of the surface? How do you get to the side of the earth to get a profile of it? The simple reason is – you can’t. That is why CGI pictures are used – to give an idea to the readers.
For those who have bought an e-book of some kind, you often see a picture of it in “hard cover,” for example. Do you expect to get a physical hard cover of it? No. This is just done to engage the senses of the buyer – that is all. The same with images of the flat earth.
Maybe the military got a picture of a small part of the earth looking inwards to the Antarctic that would show some kind of curvature but this is only a guess. In any regards no flat earth image is possible.
You can be sure that the government, the military, will not want to show you anything that indicates a flat earth. After all, if they did, their goes the belief that we evolved on our own without God.
Could Psalms 115.16 be telling us that we shall never travel in ‘space?’ I think so. The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S (Yahweh’s); but the earth he has given to the children of men. Psalms 115.16 KJV
Anyhow, I’m glad for the goof-ball remark, as this is something that you might encounter yourself so you know what to expect. And, by this comment, it allowed me to right another article.
By the way, here is another CGI image of the flat earth. Enjoy 😉
The vault of heaven is a crucial concept. The word “firmament” appears in the King James version of the Old Testament 17 times, and in each case it is translated from the Hebrew word raqiya, which meant the visible vault of the sky. The word raqiya comes from riqqua, meaning “beaten out.” In ancient times, brass objects were either cast in the form required or beaten into shape on an anvil. A good craftsman could beat a lump of cast brass into a thin bowl. Thus, Elihu asks Job, “Can you beat out [raqa] the vault of the skies, as he does, hard as a mirror of cast metal (Job 37:18)?”
Elihu’s question shows that the Hebrews considered the vault of heaven a solid, physical object. Such a large dome would be a tremendous feat of engineering. The Hebrews (and supposedly Yahweh Himself) considered it exactly that, and this point is hammered home by five scriptures:
Job 9:8, “…who by himself spread out the heavens [shamayim]…”
Psalm 19:1, “The heavens [shamayim] tell out the glory of God, the vault of heaven [raqiya] reveals his handiwork.”
Psalm 102:25, “…the heavens [shamayim] were thy handiwork.”
Isaiah 45:12, “I, with my own hands, stretched out the heavens [shamayim] and caused all their host to shine…”
Isaiah 48:13, “…with my right hand I formed the expanse of the sky [shamayim]…”
If these verses are about a mere illusion of a vault, they are surely much ado about nothing. Shamayim comes from shameh, a root meaning to be lofty. It literally means the sky. Other passages complete the picture of the sky as a lofty, physical dome. God “sits throned on the vaulted roof of earth [chuwg], whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies [shamayim] like a curtain, he spreads them out like a tent to live in…[Isaiah 40:22].” Chuwg literally means “circle” or “encompassed.” By extension, it can mean roundness, as in a rounded dome or vault. Job 22:14 says God “walks to and fro on the vault of heaven [chuwg].” In both verses, the use of chuwg implies a physical object, on which one can sit and walk. Likewise, the context in both cases requires elevation. In Isaiah, the elevation causes the people below to look small as grasshoppers. In Job, God’s eyes must penetrate the clouds to view the doings of humans below. Elevation is also implied by Job 22:12: “Surely God is at the zenith of the heavens [shamayim] and looks down on all the stars, high as they are.”
This picture of the cosmos is reinforced by Ezekiel’s vision. The Hebrew word raqiya appears five times in Ezekiel, four times in Ezekiel 1:22-26 and once in Ezekiel 10:1. In each case the context requires a literal vault or dome. The vault appears above the “living creatures” and glitters “like a sheet of ice.” Above the vault is a throne of sapphire (or lapis lazuli). Seated on the throne is “a form in human likeness,” which is radiant and “like the appearance of the glory of the Lord.” In short, Ezekiel saw a vision of God sitting throned on the vault of heaven, as described in Isaiah 40:22.
As you know, you have Christians who believe that the earth was created along the lines of the ‘Big Bang’ theory. They say they don’t believe in evolution but the interpret Scripture in such a way that it goes along with the atheist ‘Big Bang,’ in that it took God billions of years to have what we have today. These Christians believe that the earth started out as one of trillions of planets that explode it. Now, these people also say they believe in the Bible, but if they bother to read Genesis they will see that the earth was created BEFORE the sun and moon. Well, in a flat earth model, this is logical.
The Genesis creation story provides the first key to the Hebrew cosmology. The order of creation makes no sense from a conventional perspective but is perfectly logical from a flat-earth viewpoint. The earth was created on the first day, and it was “without form and void (Genesis 1:2).” On the second day, a vault the “firmament” of the King James version was created to divide the waters, some being above and some below the vault. Only on the fourth day were the sun, moon, and stars created, and they were placed “in” (not “above”) the vault.
So, when you have these preachers – some of whom are false prophets that Christ spoke about – attacking flat earth believers, they don’t know what they are talking about.
If the Universe was created as non-believers tell us, God would have said said so, and He would have told us the order of Creation as evolutionists tell us. But what God told us was that the earth was created before the sun and moon, and that He would also have told us that there are other planets suns out there.
You can’t claim you know Scripture if you don’t believe in a literal 6 Day Creation (the 7th Day God rested).
There are globe earth believers who tell a flat earth believer that it’s an iceberg and not an ice wall that is in the Antarctica. This, we heard in the previous post of a host for the Alex Jones Show told a flat earth believer. (Click Here for the Post.) The flat earth guy, Bravo, did not provide a good response. All he said was to bring up a better picture of the ice wall. Though this is good, in part, I would like to add a little something to this.
Christian Flat Earth Ministry 