Celestial Chambers and the Heaven of Heavens

While it is true that the Hebrews had a rough understanding of the circulation of water vapour and the source of rain in the clouds (Job 36:27, 28), they also conceived of mechanisms in heaven whereby God could directly induce great atmospheric catastrophes. Obviously the clouds themselves could not have held enough water for the Great Flood, so “all the foundations of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened” (Gen. 7:11;  Mal. 3:10). This is also further proof that the earth was surrounded by watery chaos. The Old Testament talks about divine “chambers”  in heaven and this notion seems to have been borrowed from Canaanite mythology. Marvin Pope has discovered a direct parallel to the Ugaritic God ‘El who “answers from the seven chambers,” usually through the media of the seven winds.(38)

Significantly, we find that Yahweh “brings forth the wind from his storehouses” (Ps. 135:7); and “from the chamber comes the tempest, from the scatter-winds the cold” (Job 37:9, AB). From Amos we learn that God “builds his upper chambers in the heavens” (9:6), and the psalmists speak of God storing “his upper chambers” with water so that he can water the mountains (Ps. 104:3, 13; cf. Ps. 33:7). Job gives us the most detailed account of God’s chambers: “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war?” (38:22). We must not forget that “Yahweh is a warrior” (Ex. 15:3) and it is he, for example, who caused the violent storm which destroyed the Canaanite army of Sisera (Jdgs. 5). In the noncanonical Ecclesiasticus we discover that Yahweh has more than storms in his chambers: “In his storehouses, kept for proper time, are fire, famine, disease” (39:29). Dillow argues convincingly that Yahweh’s storehouses of rain are not just clouds or ocean basins; rather, they most definitely have a celestial location.(39)

In the diagram at the head of the chapter, the area above the “ocean of heaven” is labelled the “heaven of fire.” I have not been able to verify this, and it seems that it must be labelled “heaven of heavens” instead. Again various levels of heaven are not unique to the Hebrews for we can read that the Vedic seer conceived of at least “three superior realms of heaven” (Rig-veda 8.41.9). One psalmist clearly distinguishes between the two levels: “You highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens” (Ps. 148:4). This area is exclusively Yahweh’s domain: “The heaven of heavens belongs to Yahweh…” (Ps. 115:16, AB); “To the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens…” (Deut. 10:14); and “heaven and highest heaven cannot contain thee” (1 Kgs. 8:27). These passages have led to endless speculation about the various levels of heaven. Creationist Henry D. Morris claims that there are three heavens: (1) atmospheric heaven (Jer. 4:25); (2) sidereal heaven (Is. 13:10); (3) and the heaven of God’s throne (Heb. 9:24).(40) The heaven of heavens mentioned above is probably not Morris’ third heaven, because it was created (Ps. 148:4) and it seems that God does not dwell there (1 Kgs. 8:27). Commentators will probably never be able to sort out many of these obscure passages.

In closing this chapter, something must be said about the process of “demythologizing.” This word, made popular by Rudolph Bultmann, has become a dirty word among conservative Christians. It is clear, however, that demythologizing happened with the writing of the Old Testament, and it is occurring at another level within evangelical hermeneutics itself. Recall that James Barr’s theory is that fundamentalists take the Bible literally only when it fits the doctrine of inerrancy. They do not hesitate to naturalize biblical events when they must be harmonized with historical or scientific facts. When Dillow claims, and rightly so, that Moses wrote of a sovereign Yahweh completely in charge of a depersonalized nature, he is conceding that the Hebrew writers, as with our example of the Sumerian chronologies, were historicizing myth. But Dillow and other evangelicals are also demythologizers in disguise, for they want us to believe that a heavenly ocean and the flood it caused are facts and not myths. This is demythologizing at its worst and the evangelical rationalists are its champions.

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Another Way of Sharing the Flat Earth News

Another Way of Sharing the Flat Earth News

 

There is another way of sharing the flat earth news and that is with those on Quora.com Quora is a program where anyone can ask any question and anyone can answer it. Then it gets shared with others on the site. If you go to the site, you’ll see how it operates. In short, you can also upload pictures and put links in your question or answer. Reading through the Help, I found out that you can ask and answer your own question, which they encourage. They figure, if you know the answer, you’d want to share it with others. So, what better way is there but to share the flat earth truth?

You can ask a question that others have never thought about and answer it, too. Get people thinking outside of the box!

There are a number of really stupid questions asked about the flat earth, and there are those who think that we believe or don’t believe in other things. Now, ignoring the stupid questions which are probably put up by people who simply don’t think or are a paid shill for the government, there is an opportunity of getting the flat earth truth out to the people. Unlike Twitter where you get nasty comments back, I have not experienced this, as yet. But if it should happen, I’ll just just ignore them.

Here is a sample of what is up on Quora today about the flat earth:

  • Do flat earthers believe in other galaxies?
  • Do flat earthers believe all planets are flat?
  • Why is there so much hate against flat earthers?
  • Do flat earthers serious believe that Earth is flat? Have any claimed to have been to the edge?
  • How do “flat-Earthers” explain that there are no photos of the edge of Earth?
  • I have a friend who keeps looking at flat earth videos and buying into it, what can I do to bring him back before it’s too late?

There are some skeptics that believe in things that we never said. One example is, one guy thinks that flat earthers don’t believe in the Antarctica. That is simply not true. It will help them if they simply watched a couple of flat earth videos or read some of the old books on the flat earth.

The Stats

The very first time I posted anything on Quora, I answered a couple of questions – they were about the flat earth and about alternative medicine. Then the next day you can find out from your Stats how many views you got. I was shocked, I received over 1,000 views and I’m completely new to this platform! So, you can reach many, many people.

In Conclusion

This is an opportunity to inform the uninformed. This is what I’m doing but I can’t do it alone. Won’t you join in?

 

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Just One Question About The Moon Landing

Moon Landing: One Question

Globe earthers believe that we went to the Moon. Well, I have one question for them and if they can’t answer that, they have no right to ask any other comments. After all, if you can’t get to first base, how can you get to Home base? The question is in the meme below but I’ll repeat it here.

How did the astronauts get from the Command Module to the Lunar Module?

The diagram in the above meme shows the interior of the space capsule. As you can see there is no way a person can climb from one area to the next. Also, they will have wear their bulky uniform with their oxygen supply and heating/cooling unit.

Now, if we flat earthers are crazy, as the blind believers in government claim we are, then they have an opportunity to prove it. Now, would they want to prove that we are all wrong? To do so, they will have to show a different diagram, have a different public display of the Saturn V Rocket. So, where is it? It not shown to us because it doesn’t exist. What was given to the public is represented by this illustrated drawing.

So, what else will globe earthers have to do to prove us wrong? They would have to show that we went to the Moon is some other kind of rocket, or perhaps something that look like a UFO! But that won’t work because they’ve told us already and shown videos of the Saturn V Rocket of how we went to the Moon.

Since NASA and the talking heads in Congress and in media can’t show how astro-nots got from the Command Module to the Lunar Module, they can’t claim anything else about the Moon landing; they can’t say that it happened because of the impossibility of getting to the Lunar Module. They have no right to move on to the comment if they can’t answer just one question of the Moon landing. Case closed!

We proved two points:
That we never went to the Moon
That those who still believe are delusional

 

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The Hypnotic Effect Of A Spinning Globe Earth, part 2

The Hypnotic Effect Of A Spinning Globe Earth, part 2

Here is the video again, for those who didn’t read part 1.

Going beyond the hypnotic effect of the spinning ball earth, let’s take a look at the video itself.

Here is what I detected:

  • Not enough room for Canada.
  • Where is Alaska?
  • I see blue where South America should be.
  • As West becomes East, where is Russia?

As we travel further, there is way too much ocean. There’s not enough room to fit the land mass of Asia, Europe and the Atlantic Ocean before we get back to North America on this ball.

A big blob of land mass for south east Asia.

As we go further west, look at the top. Where is Russia?

When you see the video as the Earth spins from the U.S to Asia, look at how much the earth has revolved. They never seen to run out of space, do they?

You might discover more or have a little different take than what I saw. But anyone who knows the land masses of the Earth, who knows the continents, will see many errors.

For globe earthers, what can they say? Only three conclusions can be made:

  1. This is a real video
  2. This is a video made from a collection of real photos
  3. This is a computer generated image (CGI)

Option 1: If this is a real video, why is it different from reality? After all, where is South America? So, globe earthers would be lying saying this is a real video.

Option 2: If it was made from a collection of photos, as many so-called globe earth “scientists” say, than why did they do a such a bad job? After all, if there are photos from satellites or the space station, why didn’t it show South America? Why does it show much more water than what it should be between the U.S. and Asia (and what should be Russia)?

Option 3: If this is a computer generated video, than why couldn’t the software designers copy the photos correctly – which are suppose to be real? Why was there such a big mess up?

It’s because the whole thing, this globe Earth, is nothing but a fake! Perpetrated by liars and believed by people who don’t have an ounce of reasoning or ability to use logic. And they have the nerve to say we are not scientific? What a laugh! This is the most unscientific video I’ve seen.
Habitual lairs usually accuse the other person of what they personally do themselves. I know, as I have known some liars in their personal life and how they act towards others.

Finally, I see the narcissistic and even psychopathic attitude of America leaders, as it shows in this video. Too many Americans think that they are the only ones of importance. This is done in the video by making other nations smaller, or their enemies, like Russia, non-existent. Also notice that the only well-defined nation is the United States! This is not be accident but it is done by our ‘hawk leaders’; they are telling us in subtle ways of what they think of the rest of the people of the world!

This video seems to illustrate it, as least by those who are told to make it!

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero

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The Hypnotic Effect Of A Spinning Globe Earth, part 1

The Hypnotic Effect Of A Spinning Globe Earth, part 1

I was watching a video, which was pretty good, by the way. It’s about the immigration problem that White nations are facing today. During most of the narration, there was a spinning globe earth in the background. I thought that this has a hypnotic effect; you become mesmerised in it.

We’ve all seen stage hypnotists use a ball and chain or some other pendulum swing back and forth. This is used to get the subject into a hypnotic trance while the words the hypnotist uses are embedded directly into the subject. Could this be used on us?

You can’t watch a news program on TV without the ‘spinning earth’ in the background, either as a CGI, graphic art, or a “real video”. Could it be, could it just be that this is used to accept the lies that being forced fed to us by the “talking heads” as true? I believe it is. But it also has the added effect, without using words, that the Earth is round and spinning! It has a duel purpose I believe.

When you look at this video, notice what is odd about it, what is there and what isn’t there. How did you feel after watching this video?

 

 

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Pharaoh’s Chariot And Army Found In Red Sea

Pharaoh’s Chariot And Army Found In Red Sea

This video repeats itself half way through but that is OK. Some salient facts mentioned is, that the remains of the chariots would have long been gone in salt water. But what our Creator did was to have coral form on the remains. Though the original wood is gone, the form is preserved because the coral took the shape of the form and remained there – it did not grow and form reefs as some coral does.

This wheel, along with other items are hidden from public view in the Museum of Antiques because the Egyptian (non-Christian) government doesn’t want to admit that OUR ancestors were ever in Egypt. Why are they doing this? My theory is, that they are trying to “hide” God. Now, we flat earthers are familiar with this! They “hide” God by denying that our forefathers were ever in Egypt, thus, implying that the Bible is not true, that we can’t rely on it.

Here is another video from the land location at the crossing of the Red Sea.


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Hillary Clinton Parody

Hillary Clinton Parody

Very funny but also very true.

 

 

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No Difference Between Robbers In Government and Robbers In a Gang

Defining Robbers

Note: After posting this article, I see that a number of ads appeared within this article. They are all the same, (it shows Theresa May, the Prime Minster of the UK. This ad may change but just to let you know I have no control over this. Also, as you know, ads change from time to time or may not appear at all.

There isn’t much difference between robbers in government and ordinary gangs. Let’s examine this further…

St. Augustine, in his study of society, The City of God, made clear how basic to true society justice is. A society which is not grounded on the triune God and His law is a society destined to reveal its basic hostility to justice. As St. Augustine remarked, of the civil turmoil of the Roman republic, “Peace vied with war in cruelty, and surpassed it: for while war overthrew armed hosts, peace slew the defenceless. War gave liberty to him who was attacked, to strike if he could; peace granted to the survivors, not life, but an unresisting death.” (Bk. III, 28). Moreover, said Augustine, a nation without justice is no different than a band of robbers. “Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies? For what are robberies themselves, but little kingdoms?” (Bk IV, 4). Every band of robbers, and every criminal syndicate, Augustine went on to state, has an authority, a head, a body of rules or laws, its own self-policing, its fixed territories and cities, and operates exactly as a nation does. Remove justice from a nation and it has little to distinguish it from a band of robbers or a criminal syndicate.

The dictionary states that justice is the administration or maintenance of that which is “just”, and the root word, just, is defined as righteous, so that justice is righteousness. Although dictionaries now play down the religious aspect of the word righteousness, but it still has a religious connotation in the popular mind.

In the Bible, righteousness and justice are basically the same words and ideas. Justice and righteousness mean moral and religious perfection, so that God is spoken of as not only perfect righteousness and justice but also as the source of all righteousness and justice. Justice on the human scale means the rule of God’s righteousness among men in two ways: first, by the operation of divine grace in the heart of man, and, second, by means of the ministry of justice through civil government. By means of the state, by civil government, God’s righteousness is to be expressed in law, godly law, and the order this law establishes is justice. Take away God’s standard of righteousness from the law, and you strip the law of justice and reduce it to anti-law.

Without justice, the law becomes a form of theft. Stripped of justice, the law becomes an instrument of extortion and oppression in the hands of whatever group of men control it. If men of wealth control the state, the law becomes their tool to subjugate the poor and to make them poorer. If poor men control the state, the law then is used to rob the rich and all hardworking men to support those who want to live on the proceeds of robbery. In the one case it is called the maintenance of the social order, and in the other it is called social justice and social welfare, but in both cases it is robbery. And today, because God’s righteousness is despised, the nations of the world are becoming robber states and lands without justice.

Today’s governments have been responsible for creating these robber states. By denying the relevance of God’s law to man’s law, and by divorcing law from the righteousness of God, humanism has made the law the expression of man’s logic and experience. God’s higher law is denied, and man becomes the ultimate law and lawgiver. The only difference then between the criminal syndicate and the modern state is that the state claims to have the general will of a nation behind it; the lesser order of the criminal syndicate is thus ruled out as an illegitimate order. But this limited logic could lead a world state to call a national state a criminal order because it merely represents a limited segment of the world’s peoples.

Democracy has no ultimate right or wrong, its law is democratic law, that is, it simply expresses the will of the people; more accurately, it’s the majority of the elected officials. But the will of man, whether as an individual or en mass, is, according to Scripture, a sinful will. Sinful man is not interested in justice; he is interested in himself, in getting more and more of the best for himself. When man’s sinful will is the only source of the law, as it is for humanism, then the law becomes legalised robbery, which is, after all, the simplest and best definition of socialism.

With socialism, or legalised robbery, the appetite for robbery is only increased. Men who begin to steal find stealing to be their favoured way of progress, and, as a result, theft rather than work becomes steadily more and more basic to the socialistic robber state. Men find it profitable to live by legalised theft, and they demand all the more of it. As a result, while Marxist socialism calls itself the workers’ state, it is in actuality a robbers’ state, wherein the robbers live off the workers and insist that the workers thank them for this new paradise! Nowhere are workers more oppressed than under Marxist socialism (Communism), and yet they are continually asked to hail, praise, and thank the thieves who live off of them.

Lands without justice, robber states, are the consequence of democracy, of a law divorced from God’s righteousness. Basic therefore to every resistance to the criminal syndicate states are two things: first, personal faith in Christ as Savior, and, second, God’s righteousness as the foundation of civil order, of law and of justice. Apart from this, we are merely fighting democracy with more democracy, which is comparable to fighting fire with gasoline.

In a land without justice, sympathy tends to favour the unjust rather than the just. As a result, sympathy and pity go out to criminals, not to victims. Every kind of legal protection is increasingly afforded the criminal and less and less to the godly and the law-abiding citizen. We are told that we must love the thief, prostitute, homosexual, and murderer, and that to demand punishment for crimes is to be ugly and vengeful, but little love and pity are shown for the victims of their crimes. We live in one of history’s most sentimental eras, and all this sentimentality is lavished upon the hoodlums and criminals of society. In many circles, it is impossible to criticise these hoodlums and criminals without becoming a social outcast. When popular feeling runs so strongly in favour of the lawless, we will always see the progressive growth of a land without justice.

To restore justice, we must restore God to His rightful place in our personal and national lives. For Scripture, true civil governments not only derive their power from God but also their law. According to Scripture, “power belongeth unto God” (Ps. 62:11), and all powers on the human scene can only be exercised according to His word. God “removeth kings, and setteth up kings” (Dan. 2:21), and “the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will” (Dan. 4:32). St. Paul stated that “There is no power but of God, the powers that be are ordained of God” (Rom. 13:1).

In America, during most of its history, God has been recognised as the source of government by the people and by the courts. At the very beginning, the purpose was openly and proudly stated to be the establishment of godly governments. Thus, the Preamble to the Connecticut Constitution of 1639 declared, “Where a people are gathered together the word of God requires that to maintain the peace and union … there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God.”

Our courts once agreed with St. Augustine that, “if Justice be taken away, what are governments but great bands of robbers?” Thus, a decision of 1905 stated, “If through the courts of justice, a man can be chiselled out of his property…then it would be well to abolish the courts, and let every man, like the ‘heathen rage’ and be ‘a law unto himself.”1 A decision of 1921 said also, “The right of courts to exist and function rests upon their power to mete out fundamental justice.”2 Where justice is removed from a court, that court simply becomes a political tool whereby one class oppresses another, and justice is replaced by injustice. This, of course, is the theory of Marxist law, for communism uses the law and the courts as a tool for the dictatorship of the proletariat and the oppression of all who in any way oppose, disagree with, or fall out of favour of the totalitarian state.

The Soviet law and courts are the logical end result of humanism and of any legal structure divorced from God’s absolute righteousness and justice. “Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it” (Ps. 127:1).

1. Lotta v. Wiley (1905) 92SW433, 437 (Neil, J).
2. State v. Ramirez (1921) 34 Idaho 623, 636, 203P279, 29ALR297 Budge, J.

Crimes against MPs more than double

The above headline appeared in The Daily Telegraph, 9 May.

It says, in part:

“In part is says: The number of crimes against MPs reported rose by 126 per cent from 151 in 2017 to 342 last year, according to Neil Basu, the Met’s assistant commissioner and head of counter-terrorism.

London, the South East and North West were most affected.”

With the above Post in mind, this article shows that people are waking up and they are not going to take it any more. From other articles in the papers the attacks have ranged from name calling, angry posts on MPs social media accounts to physical attacks on the street.

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Moon Landing Hoax Poll

Moon Landing Hoax Poll In Britain

  One in six Brits think the moon landing was staged, a new poll has revealed.

The poll by YouGov is part of a look at which conspiracy theories Britons believe.

According to the survey, 16% of Britons say the moon landing was ‘probably’ or definitely staged (12% and 4% respectively).

The poll asked people whether the phrase, ‘the moon landing was staged’ was true or false.

Click Here for the story.

We got to thank Yahoo for showing an photo that proves the Moon landing a hoax! Anyhow, slowly but surely we are gaining new believers.

 

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Globe Earther Makes Stupid Statements

Globe Earther Makes Stupid Statements

I go on a forum where questions and answers are given on many topics and of late, I’ve been answering questions on the flat earth. Here is what he said:

“If there are they (flat earthers) must be terribly confused. Even living AT the Equator violates what some flat earthers appear to believe.

“There is no central belief system other than that Earth is not spherical.

While flat earthers have presumably hundreds of reasons to believe the Earth is flat, not one of which is meaningful, science has thousands to prove Earth is spherical.”

Let’s go over this.

It’s not confusing for flat earthers to live at the equator, why would it?

Just imagine a CD disk, where the mid-way point is between the centre and edge. Now, if you live in Quito, Ecuador, for example, you can say that you live a couple of miles south of the equator. In other words, you use the same names that others call it. If you were to give an address, you say what the name is, so others know how to find you. It doesn’t matter if the person you are talking to believes in the globe or flat earth. If your address is Globe Earth 1125, Houston, Texas, you’d use that. That doesn’t make the earth round nor do you have to believe it just because your street is called ‘Globe Earth.’

Next Statement – “That there is no central belief system (among flat earthers) that the Earth is not spherical”. This is a case – very typical – of a critic not doing his/her research. Who said that this is the only belief that we all agree on? He obviously hasn’t been to any good flat earth website or seen the many videos that have been made. The fact is, there are many things that we flat earthers agree on, such as:

the Earth is stationary
the Sun and Moon go around the Earth (round being over the surface and returning again)
that water seeks its own level (impossible to be on a ball)
that the edge is in the Antarctic region
that if you shoot something up in the air it comes directly down (thus proving that the ground did not move)
that we can see beyond the distance we should be able to see if we live on a globe (by using the math formula globers give us, based on the circumference of the Earth, which is: 8 inches x the distant squared
that there is firmament (dome) that keeps our atmosphere in
plus many more

Final Statement – “While flat earthers have presumably hundreds of reasons to believe the Earth is flat, not one of which is meaningful, science has thousands to prove Earth is spherical.” Yes, we have hundreds of reason why the Earth is flat, but where is his ‘thousands’ of facts?! And, when he said our “reasons are not meaningful”, how can anyone say this as we are talking about physics.

So, what are our reasons that are not meaningful? Such as: water seeks its own level. You can have water on a ball and you can’t have anything standing up when it’s spinning at 1,000 mph, just giving one speed of our so-called movement. This is not just a reason but scientific facts. How does that statement go: “Please don’t confuse me with the facts.”

Critics should at least take the time to read what we have, watch the videos we have. If they can’t do this, they are not qualified to make any comments at all.

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