UFO Believer and Flat Earth Debate

Stanton Friedman and Mark Sargent

Many of you know that Stanton Friedman is one of the biggest advocates of UFO, Ets and life on other planets. All people who believe in UFOs also believe in a heliocentric universe (globes travelling through space). UFO believers either don’t believe in a flat earth or they never heard the facts about the flat earth.

By the way, Mark Sargent gave some misleading information. For example, he allowed the plausibility of a dome that stretches way beyond the earth – ‘like putting a large bowel over a 50 cent piece’ he said. Sargent also said of the possibility that Aliens are just not allowing us out. It is God that is not allowing us outside the dome.

People who know about Sargent, like Eric Dubay, claims he’s a shill. But putting that aside this video should be interesting.

Back to Friedman, once they accept it they have no choice but not to believe in other planets and life on some of them. What will Stanton Friedman believe in the end? Will he continue to live in a fary tail or will he accept the truth? Friedman has a lot at stake for he made a name for himself as a big advocate of UFOs; he has written many books on the subject in which he derives his income from. Will he give this all up and become a flat earth believer or will he stay a UFO believer with billions of planets travelling through space. Listen and find out.

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Typical Objections The Flat Earth

Here are some objections to a flat earth. This was actually sent by a reader. I’ll do my best to answer them. You’ll probably find more detailed objections in many of the flat earth videos that are posted on the internet and what are on Christian Flat Earth Ministry blog site right here. So, here goes…

Q: If the world is flat, why do objects appear over the horizon?

Objects ‘appear’ over the horizon because they come into view, not because they came over the curve. It’s the law of perspective – your eyes can only see so far.

Q: Do you really believe every space mission ever was just a conspiracy?

The quick answer is, ‘Yes.’ People, in general believe that someone lied when the lie is small. That’s because they make small lies themselves. But they believe a big lie because they don’t think that anyone would lie on such a grand scale only because they would never do it. Thus, it’s hard for people to believe that a whole space agency (NASA), that the educational system and that governments would lie. People typically think, ‘They wouldn’t lie to us.’ Thus, they fall for the big lie.

By the way, do a YouTube search on: fake moon landing

Q: What would space agencies and increasingly private space projects have to gain by faking the entire thing?

There are several reasons for this, they include: to make money from us, to have us believe that we evolved from apes and that man has ‘all the answers.’

NASA gets billions of dollars per year. Some of this is spent to ‘put on a show’ but the majority of it goes in their pockets. Most people can’t accept that. I understand people doubting this when the lie is so monstrous. Surely, the average person would think that they would be found out. When you have powerful people and you use some of that money to ‘grease the hands’ of others – people keep their mouths shut. In government, employees have to sign ‘non-disclosures’ in order for them to keep their mouths shut.

But one thing you should keep in mind is, that your flat earth research should be based on facts of physics. Don’t base the flat earth on ‘How can so many people be on the “take.”  Base this on facts, such as, ‘Water can not stay on a ball and that includes the globe earth.’ Once you examine that, then what the rest the government tells us MUST be a lie.

It would be a vast waste of money and human resources to fake building the International Space Station.

Not when the money comes from the taxpayers.

The Soviet Union was deeply humiliated after being beaten in the race to the Moon. It would have been easy to admit that there had been a conspiracy and spacecraft did not go around the Earth.

The Soviet Union knew about the true nature of the earth; they had their fake orbiting around the earth. So, they, too, kept their mouths shut. Remember, Russia was, at that time, was an Anti-Christ communist system and the central part of their philosophy is ‘that there is no God, that Christ did not exist and the Bible is not true.’ They were a big supporter of what Charles Darwin wrote – that we evolved from lower forms of life. If the facts of the flat earth were told; that there is a dome over us and that above this dome is Heaven itself, it will throw out the whole evolution lie in one fatal blow. This, they can’t have, so Soviets were more than willing to go along with it. To make all this heliocentric universe look real they have to make it look like there are space missions, International Space Station, trips to Mars, new planets found, ad nausea.

The ‘outer space’ we are presented with is nothing more than computer generated images (CGI). For example, to make a ‘space station’ could cost $50,000, but this is nothing with the billions dollars they receive for funding every year. A very nice profit indeed!

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Elements of a Good Flat Earth Conversation

Here are, what I think, are good elements of a conversation talking about the flat earth to strangers (or anyone else for that matter). This refers to the previous conversation Click Here to access it.

1 – Be friendly. No one likes to talk to someone with a frown or someone that doesn’t look like fun to be with.

2 – Start with small talk. You don’t have to start with the weather as that is old a trite. Find something else you can talk on and if it’s something that makes them laugh, so much the better. This way, you’ll look like a friendly person to be with; someone they would like to listen to.

3 – Then, introduce the flat earth topic. There are many different ways you can do this. Here are a couple, but you might think of your own.

Did you hear about the big talk going around the internet about the flat earth? (If you are talking to a young person, associate this to Facebook, as many young people are into social media.)

“I heard this crazy talk about the flat earth; what do you think about it?”

“Someone recently told me that the earth is flat and I though he was crazy?”

“A lot of people are ignorant about geography and I thought I knew it all.”

“Do you think there is a possibility that the earth is flat?”

There are many variations of the above or something that is different. Wait for their response. Firstly, they might already think the earth is flat or have their suspicions. If not, tell them you thought the say way, too. Secondly, by using, what is called in grammar ‘talking in the third person singular’ you saying that someone else is saying this, so it’s not directly reflected back to you. That is, until you talk more. But this is very useful when introducing a very controversial subject.

4 – Start with a hard-hitting piece of fact. In my conversation (see previous Post) I had use water and that it seeks its own level. You can use other examples, but make sure that it gets to the point fast.

I then followed through with maths involved in a planet that is 25,000 mile in circumference; that the maths doesn’t work out. In short, this a a quick ‘1, 2 punch.’

The edge to contain the water I used next. So, this is number 3 of something that is hard to dispute – even if they are heliocentric believers.

Most people never heard of a wall around the earth and would think you are crazy until you tell them about the Antarctic ice wall. When they see the pictures, they can’t deny it or, they might already know about this but never thought it as a wall. They start to really think at this point, they start to doubt what they’ve been told.

5 – Gently correct someone if they get off track, like I did when the man brought up Columbus sailing to the new world.

6 – Answering other questions or statements that they bring up. If you have time to answer them, do so. If you don’t know the answer, simply say you don’t know but you do know enough to question what you have been told about the earth from astronomers.

7 – If the conversation ends before they are convinced – which, in all probability it will – end with ‘Just do a YouTube search on the flat earth; there are many videos to choose from. Do your own research and don’t believe; check it out yourself.

As a side note, when you say, ‘You don’t have to believe me…’ this works to your advantage. The subconscious mind does not understand or accept the words: not, no don’t So, their subconscious cancels out the ‘don’t’ and is left with, ‘You have to believe me.’ Sneaky, huh?

After any conversation you have, write down anything they say that shows disbelief or even scepticism. If you don’t know the answer, find it out. If you can’t find the answer, just tell them you don’t know. As the saying goes, ‘One sharp sword sharpens another.’ What this means, it will make you a better ‘soldier’ you’d be able to handle even the difficult questions that may come up later.

When you do give your talk, bring up the questions that people will most likely ask and answer them first! This is known as ‘a pre-emptive strike’ (lol)!

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Christians Who Are Wilfully Ignorant About the Flat Earth

There are Christians who are wilfully ignorant about the flat earth. Why is this? I can think of several reasons.

  • They are afraid of what others will think
  • They are mentally lazy and don’t want to do the work
  • They don’t think it’s important for whatever reason
  • They have another agenda – in short they are really not a Christian to begin with

I hope you are not one of the above. I understand if you don’t believe in the flat earth or if you never heard of the arguments about it. If the latter is the case, there is plenty of information right here for you to read and to consider.

This article will focus on those who do know that the earth is flat and what to watch out for for those who are not honest with themselves. If you are not convinced that the earth is flat – all well and good – as this article will be very helpful when you are dealing with others. By using the guideline below, you’ll know if the speaker is telling you the truth – not only on the flat earth topic but on ANY topic – biblical or secular. For, there are certain behaviors dishonest people are engaged in when they don’t want you to learn the truth. Knowing what they are, knowing what questions to ask and comments to make will keeping you from falling for a lie.

This article will focus on the flat earth but keep in mind it can be applied to any topic. The person who is not honest about the flat earth will:

  • not want you to read flat earth material
  • not answer difficult questions
  • engage in name calling
  • argue on a minor topic
  • will fret of the detail and ignore the main points
  • need the answer to 100 questions when answering a couple of them will prove the point
  • cut someone off in their talk
  • insult you or insinuate that you are “stupid”
  • become hostel when you don’t agree
  • diverts the question or make light of it and moves on
  • does not back up what he says with facts

I have seen a couple of these traits come up by a Christian who slams flat earth believers. Though this man knows his Bible in many other areas he is, in my opinion, wilfully ignorant when it come to the flat earth.

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Exposing the Anti-Christ

Exposing The Anti-Christ

When was it used in the Bible? How was it used?

Constantly we hear “Is Obama the Anti-Christ?” There has always been such speculation over certain historical figures. People anticipate a personal, singular, evil Anti-Christ to torment us for a period of years before the “end of the world”. But does the Bible really tell us of such a person? Here we will have a short examination.

In the entire Bible, the word “antichrist” only appears on five occasions, one of them in the plural, and all of these are in the short epistles of John, at 1 John 2:18, 2:22, 4:3, and at 2 John 7. Here we will see what those passages say in the King James Version of the English Bible.

In the first epistle of John, at 2:18, we read: “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” So we see that there were many antichrists even at John’s time. To wait for a single future Anti-Christ, rather than investigate to find out who it was that John was talking about, Christians are depriving themselves of great understanding.

Further on in his epistle, at 2:22-23, John states: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yahshua is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father”, and in the historical context of John’s writing, the apostle can only be describing the Jews. In first century Judaea, people who accepted Christ lost their identity as Judaeans (“Jews”), and amalgamated with their fellow Greek and Roman Christians, all becoming “one in Christ”. Facilitating this amalgamation, evidently, is the fact that at that time they were all actually alike. The first century historian Flavius Josephus testifies that the only way by which the Judaean men were distinguished from the Greek is by the fact that they were circumcised (Antiquities, 12.5.1). Josephus expressed this idea speaking of men exercising in a gymnasium, where such activity was commonly undertaken in a state of nudity.

John continues at 4:1-3: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Yahshua Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Yahshua Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” So while Christians await “The Anti-Christ” whom they believe to be some future beastly ruler often depicted with science-fiction quality abilities, the truth is that the antichrists have walked among us for thousands of years already! Many of them today are still called “Jews”, and adhere to that same false religion in which they rejected Christ! Their spirits are not from God, but are rather from their own father – the devil (John 8:44). John speaks of them further, at 1 John 5:10: “He that believeth on the Son of God hath witness in himself; he that believeth not God hath made him a liar: because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.” The Jews, by rejecting Jesus Christ, esteem God to be a liar, while hypocritically claiming to be of God!

In John’s 2nd epistle, the apostle reinforces the instruction that those who deny Jesus are the antichrists, at verse 7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yahshua Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” So we see that the Jews are liars, deceivers, and antichrists! In the same epistle, at v. 9: “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” John proceeds to instruct his readers as to how to treat those who reject Christ, at vv. 10 & 11: “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.” To “bid Godspeed” is archaic language meaning simply “to greet”. So it is evident that Christians certainly should not keep company with Jews, nor even so much as greet them!

Paul makes a statement similar to 2 John 9-11, while discussing sound Christian doctrine, at 1 Tim. 6:3-5: “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strife of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmising, Perverse disputing of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.” And so, Christians, if they truly believe their Bibles, all those who push anti-Christian laws – they have been the antichrists all along! Yet, these are the ones who cry “persecution” all long. It’s the Christians who have been persecuted. Christians must, of course, also reject anyone else who denies the Christ. It is only when we stop accepting evil that we ourselves could ever be healed.

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KJV Bible Only

KJV Bible Only

I notice that an old Post on the KJV Bible is not longer on YouTube. So, here is another one that is professional. Let’s see how long this will be online before the censors come.

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What Stars Really Look Like

What Stars Really Look Like

Look at what stars really look like through a telescope and tell me if that is what space agencies show? The same applies to “planets”. All we see is photoshop images and before photoshop came along it was artistic renditions.

Excuse the bad “music” that is used on this video by whomever made it!

It looks like the video I wanted to post YouTube didn’t want me to. So, here is another video and this time I put a direct link instead an embedded link (click on the picture). Hope this helps.

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Fake Moon Landing: Testimony by William Cooper

Fake Moon Landing: Testimony by William Cooper

Bill Cooper talks on various topics in this old audio. Part way through this audio the host talks about the fake Moon landing with other information that is not often heard.

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Big Pharma Controls All In The United States

Big Pharma Controls All In The United States

If you wonder why millions of Americans are sick, here is part of the reason – Big Pharma. Another reason is, that people eat food that they shouldn’t.

It looks like Big Pharma is controlling what is hosted on private sites, like CFE Ministry and the video platform Brighteon.com I had embedded other videos on this blog before by Brighton with no problem, but now I see an ad came up by BBC News iPlayer. That is not what was suppose to play. So, now I will put a direct link (click on the picture) and see if it takes you to the actual video site. IF it doesn’t, then you know that Big Pharma as redirected the video again, too. We’ll see what happens.

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Scrubbing Nordic History By Destroying Ancient Artifacts

Scrubbing Nordic History By Destroying Ancient Artifacts

This video is about how the Swedish Government is destroying ancient artifacts using the excuse of “cost” to have archaeologists come in. When, in reality, the reason is to destroy the history of our White heritage. This is not an isolated problem but one that is happening in other White Christian nations of the world. You will NOT find this in non-white nations as that would be “racists” if they destroyed their ancient objects!

Even if a museum has enough of whatever artifact that has been discovered, is still no reason to destroy these old objects. IF that was the case, they should be given to collectors and dealers; they will gladly take them off the government’s hands. In fact, they will even pay (at a reasonable price) for such objects. Those from the Viking Age will go for even more money. So, the excuse that it’s “too costly” to have all the objects classified is a lie!

There can never be enough of old objects. Even IF museums have enough, there are thousands of collectors that would like to add them to their collects. With more availability, and costs being reasonable, it would attract more collectors. Then, there are those who collect for investment purposes that would love to add it to their portfolio.

The reason reason why this destruction is going on is, that they want to eliminate the White culture of our history.

In England, one of the many ways that they are destroying their Saxon culture is that liberals don’t like the black face that is used on the Morris Dancer; they don’t like the word “Black Country” being used. The reason why “Black Country” came about had nothing to do with the Blacks but because it was an industrial area and there was a lot of black suet. Of course, the Communist Left was told about this, they know about this, but they ignore it and want to make it a racist thing.

How some people are fighting back is, that metal detector hobbyists are keeping quite; putting the artifacts in their collection or selling them off to other collectors.

How far will this madness go? I won’t be surprised that, in a few years, the museums themselves will destroy what they have – as being “too racists.” If you look at what ISIS done in Syria, they destroyed ancient monuments. And with them entering our former White Christian nations “as persecuted refugees,” they will soon demand that our museums destroy the Aryan culture that is displayed there, too!

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