Elements of a Good Flat Earth Conversation

Elements of a Good Flat Earth Conversation

By Richard Snowden

Here are, what I think, are good elements of a conversation talking about the flat earth to strangers (or anyone else for that matter). This refers to the previous conversation Click Here to access it.

1 – Be friendly. No one likes to talk to someone with a frown or someone that doesn’t look like fun to be with.

2 – Start with small talk. You don’t have to start with the weather as that is old a trite. Find something else you can talk on and if it’s something that makes them laugh, so much the better. This way, you’ll look like a friendly person to be with; someone they would like to listen to.

3 – Then, introduce the flat earth topic. There are many different ways you can do this. Here are a couple, but you might think of your own.

Did you hear about the big talk going around the internet about the flat earth? (If you are talking to a young person, associate this to Facebook, as many young people are into social media.)

I heard this crazy talk about the flat earth; what do you think about it?

Someone recently told me that the earth is flat and I though he was crazy?

A lot of people are ignorant about geography and I thought I knew it all.

Do you think there is a possibility that the earth is flat?

There are many variations of the above or something that is different. Wait for their response. Firstly, they might already think the earth is flat or have their suspicions. If not, tell them you thought the say way, too. Secondly, by using, what is called in grammar ‘talking in the third person singular’ you saying that someone else is saying this, so it’s not directly reflected back to you. That is, until you talk more. But this is very useful when introducing a very controversial subject.

4 – Start with a hard-hitting piece of fact. In my conversation (see previous Post) I had use water and that it seeks its own level. You can use other examples, but make sure that it gets to the point fast.

I then followed through with maths involved in a planet that is 25,000 mile in circumference; that the maths doesn’t work out. In short, this a a quick ‘1, 2 punch.’

The edge to contain the water I used next. So, this is number 3 of something that is hard to dispute – even if they are heliocentric believers.

Most people never heard of a wall around the earth and would think you are crazy until you tell them about the Antarctic ice wall. When they see the pictures, they can’t deny it or, they might already know about this but never thought it as a wall. They start to really think at this point, they start to doubt what they’ve been told.

5 – Gently correct someone if they get off track, like I did when the man brought up Columbus sailing to the new world.

6 – Answering other questions or statements that they bring up. If you have time to answer them, do so. If you don’t know the answer, simply say you don’t know but you do know enough to question what you have been told about the earth from astronomers.

7 – If the conversation ends before they are convinced – which, in all probability it will – end with ‘Just do a YouTube search on the flat earth; there are many videos to choose from. Do your own research and don’t believe; check it out yourself.

As a side note, when you say, ‘You don’t have to believe me…’ this works to your advantage. The subconscious mind does not understand or accept the words: not, no don’t So, their subconscious cancels out the ‘don’t’ and is left with, ‘You have to believe me.’ Sneaky, huh?

After any conversation you have, write down anything they say that shows disbelief or even scepticism. If you don’t know the answer, find it out. If you can’t find the answer, just tell them you don’t know. As the saying goes, ‘One sharp sword sharpens another.’ What this means, it will make you a better ‘soldier’ you’d be able to handle even the difficult questions that may come up later.

When you do give your talk, bring up the questions that people will most likely ask and answer them first! This is known as ‘a pre-emptive strike’ (lol)!

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The New Age Agenda, UFOs and the Flat Earth

New Age Philosophy, UFOs and Flat Earth

What does the New Age agenda, UFOs and the flat earth have to do with each others?

I shall attempt to “connect the dots” to the New Age, UFOs and the flat earth.

The New Age movement is not something that passed away in the 1980’s but is very much with us today. Years ago it was decided (by whom, I don’t know) that the term “New Age” would be dropped because of the stigma it got. This stigma goes back to the 1970’s with people taking pot, cocaine, free sex, and the life style that went with it. However, the trappings of the New Age is very much with us today. If you are into one of the many Eastern philosophies that are out there; if you are into some of the “alternative healing” practices; if you practice some of the mediation, listen to people like Deepak Chopra, and others who claim to improve your health. If you are into crystals therapy, Riki, the Law of Attraction, this is all basically the New Age repackaged.

Hold on and stay with me. I know that many of you think that I’m nuts. At one time I thought a person would be nuts if they told me what I just told you. I “thought” I knew about the New Age agenda and that what I was into was the truth and something different than what was going on in the flower-child age of smoking marijuana. Just give a few minutes to explain.

In the book, Inside New Age Nightmare by Randall Baer is a revealing book. This author was heavily into the above topics and more back in the 1980’s. So, he is not a critic looking for something to criticise, but one who was in the inside and really believed in the leaders of this movement were saying. Finally, be became one himself.

Before I go on, you can get Inside New Age Nightmare by Clicking Here.

Back in the early 1980’s, Santa Fe, New Mexico was the place to be for the “enlightenment” to take place. This is where the “enlighten” people were to gain “light bodies” and be “activated.” One of the “leaders” was called John and he said that part of the “Divine Plan.” John said he was beamed up and was greeted by the fleet commander. He was told that Project Beam-Down (also known as Project Second Genesis) was about to happen after several millennia of waiting. This, of course, never happened.

Randall Baer said that 75% of New Agers hold a completely unshakeable belief in the reality of UFOs. He said this is probably an understatement and that the figure is more like 85-95%.

Even big names got into this. John Denver made public the belief that he originated from a place called Lyra nebula. Shirley MacLaine, author of Out on a Limb, plays a major role in cosmic vision. Even today, believing that you’re from Orion, Sirius or Pleaides, among others, are very popular New Age beliefs among the New Agers.

When big entertainer names are involved, many people tend to believe what they say, and, in turn believe their false philosophy. UFOs play a big role in their involvement of deliverance of the world from its suffering and tribulation. The Aliens of the UFOs then will usher in the enlightened “One World Government” that is to take place.

We are told that the Aliens don’t get involved and cannot intervene directly until humanity is ready for their help. These extraterrestrials happen to have a philosophy the same as the New Age philosophy. In fact, if you are in the New Age movement and you don’t believe in UFOs, you are considered weird.

Again, I want to say that the words New Age is not used; you have to look at what the philosophies of the people who in the Law of Attraction, energy healing, or who are on the speaking circuit of the “enlightenment” is.

There have been many books written and recordings made of the so-called “transition” that mankind is going through; dates of our freedom from the troubles that face the world have been given; all of this have gone and went. No UFO contact, no angelic being appeared, nor will it happened as it’s all based on a satanic lie. Yet, people still hold on to the lies. When an excuse is given by a guru who wrote a book on the subject, gives some excuse of why it didn’t take place. And the sad thing is, people believe it; yet they are ready to have another go at it again; they queue up to buy the false prophet’s next book “of revelation.”

The reason why these earth-shaking events don’t take place is because it’s a big lie. For those who know about the flat earth also knows that there are no other planets out there; thus, there are no extraterrestrials who will deliver us. Once you realize this, ask yourself, what other lies have been told you by those who sell books and DVDs on UFOs. Just go to a “Health, Mind, Spirit” conference, look around and see the Tara Card readers, the psychics; see the people who sell books by those who promise you can have a ton of money by just visualising it and you’ll also find that the majority of them believe in extraterrestrials. You might even find people who believe that they have been reincarnated but actually came from another planet.

In other words these people are wrong in one major area (beliefs in extraterrestrial life), ask yourself what other areas are they wrong in. in order to do this, you should go to the Bible. After all, the Bible tells of a geocentric earth, so check out the rest of the book.

In the Bible we read many verses where we are told that the earth is fixed, it has foundations; that the sun moves around the earth; that the earth has ends to it (which a globe earth can’t have). Now, read the verses in the King James Bible where we are told that there will be false prophets, false Christs; that we are not to consult mediums, those who have contact with spirits. You can find some of these verses in Deuteronomy 18, II Chronicles, Titus.

If people were Christians or remember the verses in the Bible when they got involved in all this esoteric stuff, they would know that much of what we hear from these gurus is exactly what Satan said in the Garden of Eden, when he said you shall be like God. If you are in the esoteric movement you would have heard things like: “you are God, we are like gods, we can create out reality”. In short, they are saying that we don’t need a Saviour; that we can save ourselves. This is exactly what the great Deceiver said in the Garden of Eden.

In fact, you’ll hear these same old lies in some big churches in America today. This is what Christ warned us about – about the false prophets in the world. Televangelist, Ken Copeland said words to the effect: “God said we are the sons of God. So what does that make us? Gods. Dogs have little dogs, cats have cats, so God has gods.” This, of course, is taken completely out of context – and he knows it. Copeland also blasphemed God by saying: “I am that I am; likewise, too, I am the I am.” Taking what God said about himself and saying it about himself (Copland), too.

So, you don’t have to go to listen to some New Age guru in order to be lied to; church leaders use the exact same words. You can go to a mainline church and find this, too. Thus, you have to know your Bible and you have to know the church that you are attending. Since Satan is a great deceiver, he has influenced others to carry out his work. In the past century there has been many new versions of the Bible. The purpose of this is, to have a Bible that supports the lies that are said in churches. The Bible you should be reading – for English speaking people – is the 1611 King James Version. You can get a copy online for free if you don’t find it in book stores. (Beware, don’t buy the New KJV, as that is not the original KJV.) With that in mind, you will be on the right track in searching for the truth.

You want to learn about success, great relationships, good health? The Bible has the answers, you won’t find it in the material that are sold at conferences such as the “Health, Mind Spirit” ones.

You want to find out about happiness? You can go to do a search if you have a Bible software that allows you to do this. In fact, you can go to openbible.org and do a search there. Check out all the verses that relate to this, check this with your 1611 KJV to make sure of the verses, and you’ll have the answers for “happiness.”

The Flat Earth Connection

If you are already in the philosophies that goes with the New Age and you learn about the flat earth and if you come to accept it, you’ll have to reject the “Aliens will save us” mantra and belief. If you know about the flat earth then are exposed to the many teachings of the New Age philosophies, you’ll see the lies right away.

I had told some people I know who were heavy into the New Age garbage, and after the accepted the flat earth information, they had to reject some of their previous beliefs. Though they still have a ways to go, it’s only because they are so deep into it that it has become part of their identity. Demons have a great hold on you the more you buy into their lies; ask anyone who has been involved. The author of Inside the New Age Nightmare, Randall Baer, will tell you. If you have just started to read the books on the eastern philosophies, and realise it’s all a lie, the hold on you is not nearly as great as those who, have been in it for years (like my acquaintance).

If you have learned about the flat earth, your next step in research is to find out the other lies they have told us about the Bible. Studying about the flat earth, you’ll see in your research the many Bible reference to such. This, of course, should lead you to find out more about the Bible. After all, since the flat earth is a Bible truth, it only stands to reason that other major things that the government and educational system has told you is also a lie. You can discover, in part, what they are by simply reading the Bible; read it as it is, without caring “if it’s going to offend some religious group, without fear that it is not “politically correct,” ” and you’ll find out that you’ve been lied to in other areas as well.

Some Bible Verses

Some Bible verses to check out – in regards to contacting spirits – are:

  • Deuteronomy 18:9
  • Deuteronomy 12:29-31
  • Leviticus 18:26-27
  • II Thessalonian 2:9
  • Matthew 24:22
  • Matthew 24:24
  • 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

I pray that this article has helped you. Do your own research and check out what I said is true; pray on it and ask Christ to lead you – and you will be lead to the truth!

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Covid-19: The Joke Is On Us

Covid-19: The Joke Is On Us

In Wuhan, China, where the “deadly” covidvirus got its start, thousands and thousands of people gathered for party going at a water park and to attend a music festival. Looks like the joke is on us! Of course, we know why the evil leaders are perpetrating this contagious virus thing. Because they found it’s a perfect way to: bankrupt small businesses, put millions in poverty, and perfect cover to kill of millions (per UN Agenda 21), while China is not out to destroy its people or country.

You’ll notice some negative comments such as: I don’t want to be where there are so many people. Or, I don’t want touch wet skin with strangers. These people are still under mind-control, as they completely miss the point. The point is, that there is no “contagious virus.” But don’t be surprised if we hear an “outbreak” in our country because of the number of people at a beach, for example. You can be sure that these numbers would come from: a certain number of cases that are completely made up; people who died of other causes.

Keep in mind that every day in China, as of this writing, there are thousands of gatherings taking place that normally happens everyday, such as: shoppers at malls, business meetings, parties, concerts, restaurants, etc. So, this pool party is just one example of where people are now mingling in China. It’s about time other countries get back to normal, too!

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The Sun Circuits the Earth

In Joshua 10:13, the children of Israel are avenging themselves on their enemies. The Bible says that THE SUN STOOD STILL and hasted not to# GO DOWN about a whole day. The sun does not normally stand still. It is a miracle for the sun to stand still.

Joshua 10:13 And the sun STOOD STILL, and the moon stayed…So the sun STOOD STILL in the midst of heaven, and HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN about a whole day.

Hezekiah asked for a sign to show that he would recover from his sickness. He asked that the sun go backward ten degrees from which it was gone down. Without controversy, the Bible teaches that the sun moves.

Isaiah 38:8 says THE SUN RETURNED ten degrees by which degrees it was #GONE DOWN.

Other scriptures:

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE with healing in his wings… [Jesus Christ *is* the Sun — does the Sun RISE or not? IT RISES. CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD. HE ROSE WITH HEALING IN HIS WINGS.]

Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was GOING DOWN…15:17 …the sun WENT DOWN…19:23 The sun was RISEN UPON THE EARTH…28:11 …the sun was SET…32:31 …the sun ROSE upon him#

Exodus 22:3 If the sun be RISEN upon him…22:26 …the sun goeth DOWN:

Leviticus 22:7 And when the sun is DOWN…

Numbers 2:3 And on the east side toward the RISING of the sun

Deuteronomy 11:30 …by the way where the sun goeth DOWN# 23:11 …when the sun is DOWN…#24:13 …when the sun GOETH DOWN…#24:15 At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go# DOWN upon it…

Joshua 8:29 …as soon as the sun was DOWN…#10:13 And the sun STOOD STILL, and the moon stayed…So the sun STOOD #STILL in the midst of heaven, and HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN about a whole day.

Judges 5:31 …but let them that love him be as the sun when he GOETH FORTH in# his might. #8:13 And Gideon the son of Joash returned from battle before the sun was# UP,# 9:33 And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is UP..#14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before#the sun WENT DOWN…#19:14 …the sun went down upon them

2 Samuel ##2:24 …the sun WENT DOWN…#3:35 …till the sun be DOWN.#23:4 …when the SUN RISETH…

2 Chronicles ##18:34 the time of the sun GOING DOWN he died.

Psalms ##50:1 …RISING of the sun unto the GOING DOWN thereof.# 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his GOING DOWN. #104:22 The sun ARISETH…#113:3 From the RISING of the sun unto THE GOING DOWN of the same the #LORD’s name is to be praised.

Ecclesiastes ##1:5 The sun also ARISETH, and the sun GOETH DOWN, and HASTETH to his #place where he AROSE.

Isaiah ##38:8 …So the sun RETURNED ten degrees, by which degrees it was GONE #DOWN.# 41:25 from the RISING of the sun# 60:20 Thy sun shall no more GO DOWN; neither shall thy moon withdraw #itself…

Jeremiah ##15:9 her sun is GONE DOWN…

Daniel# #6:14 …he laboured till the GOING DOWN of the sun to deliver him.

Amos ##8:9 I will cause the sun TO GO DOWN at noon…

Jonah## 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did ARISE…

Micah## 3:6 the sun shall GO DOWN over the prophets…

Nahum## 3:17 …when the sun ARISETH…

Habakkuk ##3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation…

Malachi## 1:11 For from the RISING of the sun even unto the GOING DOWN of the same #4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE## with healing in his wings…

Matthew 5:45 …he maketh his sun to RISE…

Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did SET…

Luke 4:40 Now when the sun was SETTING…

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun GO DOWN upon# your wrath:##

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner RISEN…

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SARS: Is It Real Or A Hoax?

SARS: Is It Real Or A Hoax?

 

This article was written in 2003 – many years before Covid-19. Also, in recently the media has been talking about the link of SARS to Covid-19. The same tactics that were applied many years ago to SARS is now being applied to the coronavirus. What is happening now is not an accident but planned to reduce the world’s population and the greatly control those that will be allowed to live.

Just do a search for: SARS and Covid-19 and you’ll see that the pharmaceutical industries are saying there are many similarities. Keep this in mind, then read the PDF (link below) and come back to this. Does this make you suspicious? I hope it does.

Read what they plan to do and are doing with covid – it started with SARS!

Click Here for the PDF report.

Also accessible under: Other Conspiracies/Medical Hoax

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Just Released: Pla-ndemic II Documentary

(Note: The breakup of the words is to help insure you see this video.)

This film documents the coverups of c-ovid and how the the pharmaceutical/government/media collude to keep it going.

About 30 minutes in, there are photos of the Moon landing hoax and the flat earth. I see how they are trying to tie this in, without using the words “flat earth”, to make this look like a crazy theory.

Download your copy while you can. There is a link under the video to do so.

Click Here to go to the blogspot video.

 

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NYC Businesses Are Closing

NYC Businesses Are Closing

Why isn’t the media covering this? What do business people know that we don’t? Are they preparing for riots? Or, do they see their doom due to online shopping? Why are there no people on the streets? Keep in mind that this video was taken recently, not during the lock down? How is it in the city near you? Film and share it, as this might be going on nation-wide.

Click Here for the video.

Update On NYC

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All From The Same Script

Proof of “Talking Heads” on TV

This does not reflect the views of the people, as in no nation do all the people think alike, especially when there are invaders from all nations on the earth with many different religions and political beliefs. This goes for not only TV but also newspapers and their websites.

You can be sure that it’s the same when it comes to NASA and anything about the globe earth.

 

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Scientific Arugments for Geocentrism

THE BASIC SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENTS FOR GEOCENTRICITY

Malcolm Bowden

This subject generates far more heat than light in Christian circles. Invariably the reaction is emotional because Christians do not want to be tainted with the labels of “scientific ignoramus” and such like. I here set out the basic arguments that are given more fully in my “True Science Agrees with the Bible” – Appendix 10.

(1) BIBLICAL SUPPORT. There are many references to the sun “going down”, “arising” etc. NOT ONCE does the Bible ever refer to the earth rotating. Those who say that the Bible is only recording the “appearance” of the movement of the sun–

(a) are having to ADD to the most obvious meaning of the understanding of the Bible passage and

(b) are adopting the same position as liberal critics who have tried to destroy the Bible by saying that many of the sayings of Christ were “adapted to the simple understanding and low education of His hearers” and that we are more educated today to correct what he said – or such like. The Bible is true in its normal sensible understanding of its statements. We say sensible because we do not literally interpret what are clearly allegories and metaphors – this is usually used by critics to ridicule Bible believers.

(2) THE SEQUENCE OF CREATION. There is a major Biblical problem facing Christian heliocentrists. The sun is not referred to until Day 4. Most contend that it was created on Day 1 but only became visible on Day 4 so that they can have the earth going round the sun from the very first day of its creation. The problem is that the same word is used for the creation of the sun as for other material or animals in Genesis 1. “Bara” and “Asah” are both used for creation and there is no distinction between creation from nothing and creation from previous created material. Both words are used of Man’s creation. To say that the sun had already been created before day 4 is to twist the scriptures beyond acceptability in this one specific case to save the heliocentric position – and Hebrew scholars agree. If this interpretation is used in this one instance, why is it not used for all the other verses in Genesis. It would make nonsense of the whole record of events.

So the Hebrew insists that the sun was created on Day 4. How then did the earth rotate around a non-existent sun for three days? And when the sun was created on Day 4, did God give the earth a jolt and send it on its circular route around the sun? Surely the most obvious explanation is that the earth was created FIRST of all the universe – as the Bible says – and the universe rotated around it – with all the planets created later on Day 4. How this could take place scientifically we examine below.

(3) SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS. Most scientists know about the Michelson-Morely experiment – that failed to detect any movement of the earth round the sun. This had to be overcome so the Fitzgerald-Lorentz shortening of the apparatus was proposed, and eventually the paradoxical Relativity Theory was invented by Einstein to overcome this problem. However, there are three other experiments that have been deliberately ignored by universities because they support geocentricity –

(a) The Michelson-Gale experiment (Reference – Astrophysical Journal 1925 v 61 pp 140-5 – I forgot to put this reference in my book!) This detected the aether passing the surface of the earth with an accuracy of 2% of the speed of the daily rotation of the earth! Thus, the Michelson-Morely experiment detected no movement of the earth around the sun, yet the Michelson-Gale experiment measured the earth’s rotation (or the aether’s rotation around the earth!) to within 2%! This surely speaks volumes for geocentricity.

(b) “Airey’s failure” (Reference – Proc. Roy. Soc. London v 20 p 35). Telescopes have to be very slightly tilted to get the starlight going down the axis of the tube because of the earth’s “speed around the sun”. Airey filled a telescope with water that greatly slowed down the speed of the light inside the telescope and found that he did not have to change the angle of the telescope. This showed that the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so that no change was needed. This demonstrated that it was the stars moving relative to a stationary earth and not the fast orbiting earth moving relative to the comparatively stationary stars. If it was the telescope moving he would have had to change the angle.

(c) The Sagnac experiment (Reference – Comptes Rendus 1913 v157 p 708-710 and 1410-3) Sagnac rotated a table complete with light and mirrors with the light being passed in opposite directions around the table between the mirrors. He detected the movement of the table by the movement of the interference fringes on the target where they were recombined. This proved that there IS an aether that the light has to pass through and this completely destroys Einstein’s theory of Relativity that says there is no aether. It is for this reason that this experiment is completely ignored by scientists. More recently Kantor has found the same result with similar apparatus.

All these experiments are never taught at universities, so consequently, scientists, including most Christian creationists, are ignorant of this evidence for geocentricity. Is it any wonder, therefore, that Christian geocentrists find their most vociferous opponents are fellow Christian creationists to whom geocentricity comes as a shock. They do not want to be tarred with such a heretical brush that will only increase the great ridicule they are already receiving for their stance against evolution?

THE ROTATION OF THE UNIVERSE

How can the universe rotate so rapidly without disintegrating? There is growing evidence that the aether has “Planck density” – it is extremely dense and the sun and planets are like corks in very dense water comparatively. This whole universe sweeps round the earth because otherwise it would collapse in on itself due to its density. The mechanics of this system forces the other planets etc. to describe ellipses in their orbit around the sun. Ernst Mach proposed that it is the weight of the stars circling the earth that drags Foucault pendulums around, creates Coriolis forces in the air that give the cyclones to our weather etc. Barbour and Bertotti (Il Nuovo Cimento 32B(1):1-27, 11 March 1977) proved that a hollow sphere (the universe) rotating around a solid sphere inside (the earth) produced exactly the same results of Coriolis forces, dragging of Foucault pendulums etc. that are put forward as “proofs” of heliocentricity! This paper gives several other confirmations of the superiority of the geocentric model.

Thus, there is evidence that the earth is NOT moving around the sun, but either the aether is moving around the earth carrying the planets with it, or the earth is spinning on its axis. The most likely model is that the aether is rotating around the earth as calculations show that if it did not, it would rapidly collapse upon itself. [OUR NOTE: THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT MENTION THE FIRMAMENT. GOD SET THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS IN THE FIRMAMENT OF THE HEAVEN. THE FIRMAMENT IS A DIVIDER OF WATERS (SEE DAY TWO IN GENESIS CHAPTER 1). IT IS FIRM. THE AETHER MR. BOWDEN DESCRIBES MAY ACTUALLY BE THE FIRMAMENT.]

Malcolm Bowden.

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My books are available from UK Christian bookshops. Distributor Evangelical Press. In the USA, all are available from The Berean Call, Box 7019,Bend, Oregon 97708: Tel; 800 937 6638 FREE

Note: I haven’t read Mr. Bowden’s book [may be here–http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/b4trusc3.htm%5D, but Chris has this to say:

This book is really good and goes into things that we are not normally told. For example the theory of relativity was promoted partly because of the inability of experiments to prove that the earth moved. Bowden also notes that to hold a geocentric position is to open oneself up to abuse even from creationists who will think that you are discrediting the whole argument.

The other thing that he discusses which is fascinating is the idea that the speed of light may not be a constant, but may have slowed down over the last 6000 years or so since creation which would explain a lot of the facts that scientists throw our way.

The following is the e-mail I sent out to my e-mail list. After the responses to this e-mail I came up with a new title for myself, “A fool for Christ’s sake”. I’ll be a fool for truth’s sake. As Isaiah says, truth is fallen in the street. I won’t pass it by, I’ll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

The following is just a brief portion of an old email–

[Reminder: this list is for Bible-believing Christians.]

Dear Friends:

Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

A brother recently wrote asking me about geocentricity. I just learned about it myself last year…

***What is geocentricity?***

Simply put, geocentricity says the earth is the center of the universe, not the sun. The sun revolves around the earth, not the earth around the sun. I know that you did not learn this in public school, but this is what the Bible teaches. [Do you believe the Bible, all of it?] Please read on.

***What do you know about this, Tracy?***

I learned about geocentricity last year at the King James Bible conference. Dr. Gerardus Bouw, a [professed] Bible-believing astronomer [I later read his comments spoken at a Catholic conference where he said that the Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Version of the Bible and the Authorized King James Bible were on the same level] told us attendees all about it. I’m going to break it down for you the way Dr. Bouw broke it down for us… [end of excerpt]

***Dear Reader, do you believe EVERYTHING the Bible says?

Assuming the answer to this question is yes, let me ask you some questions from some scriptures–

1. In Joshua 10:13, the children of Israel are avenging themselves on their enemies. The Bible says that THE SUN STOOD STILL and hasted not to GO DOWN about a whole day.

Friends, according to the science text books (including the so-called “Christian” ones, the sun does NOT go down, the earth turns. The Bible says that the sun goes down. Man says the sun does not go down. So now what? What do you believe in? IN YOUR OWN BRAIN, WHICH ONE DO YOU BELIEVE–THE BIBLE OR MAN? NEXT, A YES OR NO QUESTION–DOES THE SUN CIRCUIT THE EARTH, YES OR NO?

2. Isaiah 38:8 says THE SUN RETURNED ten degrees by which degrees it was GONE DOWN.

In this case, did the sun really GO BACK ten degrees or was the shadow on the sun dial just an optical illusion?

3. This one is a showstopper. It comes from Malachi 4 the last chapter of the Old Testament. It would be about 400 years before God spoke to Israel through John the Baptist. Malachi 4:2

“But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE with healing in his wings…”

Look at this again. Notice how “Sun” has a capital “S”. This obviously refers to the Lord Jesus Christ. HE DID ARISE with healing in his wings. Notice how it does not say “Son”, it says, “Sun”. If the “sun” DOES NOT rise, does this mean that THE SON did not rise? HE DID RISE AND SO DOES SUN. IT IS NO ILLUSION. IT IS EXACTLY ACCORDING TO WHAT YOUR OWN EYEBALLS SEE EVERYDAY YOU LOOK OUTSIDE.

***What does all this mean?***

It means that once again we’ve been lied to. Ever heard of the “Copernican revolution?” Copernicus is the guy who came up with the “heliocentric” model that we use today–the idea that the earth revolves around the sun.

There is a lot of interesting information concerned with the false science associated with the heliocentric model. But it will have to be reserved for another time, Lord willing.

In the mean time you can check out http://www.biblicalastronomer.org. Dr. Bouw who uses a modified Tychonic model to explain how the solar system works.

Just like with evolution, there are many things that cannot be explained with the heliocentric model. I’ll warn you that this area of astronomy can get quite technical and mathematical. I’m no expert…

I recently heard someone say, “Science blew away western religion.” [When people say things like this they are oftentimes talking about heliocentricism and evolution.] This is how many look at the Copernican revolution false science with it’s heliocentric model (not to mention Darwinian evolution). This is how the Encyclopedia Americana looks at it too (emphases ours)–

“This sharp separation between heaven and earth was basic in the view of the universe that was accepted by Copernicus’ contemporaries. Copernicus comprehended the TRUE nature of the earth. He fully understood that it is a planet revolving about the sun, in the company of other planets. Therefore, like its fellow planets, it too is a heavenly body. Since the earth itself is in the heavens, the contrast between heaven and earth VANISHED, being REPLACED BY THE MODERN CONCEPT OF SPACE.”

What does Genesis 1:1 say? In the beginning God created the HEAVEN AND THE EARTH. The encyclopedia says this distinction VANISHED with Copernicus. See what I mean?

The Encyclopedia Americana goes on to say in no uncertain terms that geocentric model was an error. In other words, the Bible is in error. They are the ones in error because they are lying against the Bible. [Note: THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH ALSO SHOWS THAT HEIGHT AND DEPTH ARE A CREATED THING WHICH CAN BE FURTHER SEEN IN THE SCRIPTURES WHERE THEY SAY THINGS LIKE HEAVEN FOR HEIGHT AND EARTH FOR DEPTH.]

My friends, I know this is a radical concept but don’t believe everything science tells you. They make a liar out of God! With the Copernican revolution all of a sudden not only did the Bible lose its authority in science but in morals and other areas as well. It was, and is, looked upon as unreliable.

I am looking at a magazine ad right now (a free magazine from the grocery store with recipes). It has on it, a picture of the solar system with the caption, “The Geocentric System” (earth at the center). It says,

“Five hundred years ago, the sun was thought to revolve around the earth. People DID NOT KNOW then what we know now. Truths change.”

No they don’t. TRUTH NEVER CHANGES. Truth is absolute. God knew exactly what he was saying when he told us the sun arises and goes down, he made it. This ad was by the Office of National Drug Control Policy. In this ad, they say [ that God’s word is the product of ignorant men–that is a lie. People who believe their lies are the ones that are ignorant]. The Lord gave me this ad maybe one or two days after that brother asked me about geocentricity.

There was a gentleman named Sir Fred Hoyle. He was knighted for his cosmological and astronomical prowess. He said this–

“We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has NO physical significance.”

The geocentric model is not unscientific, it is correct. Unsurprisingly, [it] explains many of the phenomena that heliocentricists can’t figure out.

Here are dozens of verses that say that the sun moves. Do you [really] believe the Bible?

Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was GOING DOWN… 15:17 …the sun WENT DOWN… 19:23 The sun was RISEN UPON THE EARTH… 28:11 …the sun was SET… 32:31 …the sun ROSE upon him

Exodus 22:3 If the sun be RISEN upon him… 22:26 …the sun goeth DOWN:

Leviticus 22:7 And when the sun is DOWN…

Numbers 2:3 And on the east side toward the RISING of the sun

Deuteronomy 11:30 …by the way where the sun goeth DOWN 23:11 …when the sun is DOWN… 24:13 …when the sun GOETH DOWN… 24:15 At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go DOWN upon it…

Joshua 8:29 …as soon as the sun was DOWN… 10:13 And the sun STOOD STILL, and the moon stayed…So the sun STOOD STILL in the midst of heaven, and HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN about a whole day.

Judges 5:31 …but let them that love him be as the sun when he GOETH FORTH in his might. 8:13 And Gideon the son of Joash returned from battle before the sun was UP, 9:33 And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is UP.. 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun WENT DOWN… 19:14 …the sun went down upon them

2 Samuel 2:24 …the sun WENT DOWN… 3:35 …till the sun be DOWN. 23:4 …when the SUN RISETH…

2 Chronicles 18:34 the time of the sun GOING DOWN he died.

Psalms 50:1 …RISING of the sun unto the GOING DOWN thereof. 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his GOING DOWN. 104:22 The sun ARISETH… 113:3 From the RISING of the sun unto THE GOING DOWN of the same the LORD’s name is to be praised.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ARISETH, and the sun GOETH DOWN, and HASTETH to his place where he AROSE.

Isaiah 38:8 …So the sun RETURNED ten degrees, by which degrees it was GONE DOWN. 41:25 from the RISING of the sun 60:20 Thy sun shall no more GO DOWN; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself…

Jeremiah 15:9 her sun is GONE DOWN…

Daniel 6:14 …he laboured till the GOING DOWN of the sun to deliver him.

Amos 8:9 I will cause the sun TO GO DOWN at noon…

Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did ARISE…

Micah 3:6 the sun shall GO DOWN over the prophets…

Nahum 3:17 …when the sun ARISETH…

Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation…

Malachi 1:11 For from the RISING of the sun even unto the GOING DOWN of the same 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE

Matthew 5:45 …he maketh his sun to RISE…

Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did SET…

Luke 4:40 Now when the sun was SETTING…

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun GO DOWN upon your wrath:

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner RISEN…

***Conclusion***

Dear friend, pray about it. Question EVERYTHING the wicked world tells you.

for Jesus’ sake,

[Tracy]

…I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 2:4, 6

Source: jesus-is-lord.com

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