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Talking About the Bible with a New Ager
Talking About the Bible with a New Ager
You might speak with someone about the following. Knowing what they’ll probably say can help you prepare a suitable response.
What Is a New Ager?
You are oblivious to many facts, including the Bible’s, if you identify as a New Age. You understand what I mean if you were a former New Ager. There are currently people who follow the teachings of several contemporary gurus and don’t identify as New Agers; they are known as the “Law of Attraction” crowd. Positivity is one thing, but there are numerous doctrines that have snuck in that are based on pagan concepts.
You are probably unaware of the flat earth fact since you belong to the New Age or Law of Attraction crowd, which is what this website is all about.
Anyway, let’s go on.
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New Agers Converts to Christianity
One thing that is taught in the New Age Movement is about Aliens and channelling through them. With flat earth believers, we not only get to know the Bible better, we we also learn that there is no such thing as Aliens from other worlds. Any messages New Agers get is really through demons. Is there any wonder why the Establishment (Mystery Babylon) says that a belief in the flat earth is a lie!
Click Here for the short video.
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Any sincere attempt to share the gospel with a New Ager ultimately results in a conversation about the Bible. Even if such a dialogue takes place on Christian ground, it is frequently the New Ager, not the Christian, who is ultimately happy with the exchange.
For instance:
Are you a Christian? Do you follow Jesus?
Yes, I do believe in Jesus—as well as Buddha, Ramakrishna, and my own teacher.
Christian: However, according to Jesus’ own words in John 14:6, “No one comes to the Father except through me.”
New Ager: You’re correct, _I Am_ is the only way to know the truth.
Jesus: What?
New Age: Each of us possesses the “I Am Presence” or a glimmer of divinity!
Christian: Hold on a second. Jesus was referring to _Himself_ when He said.
Yes, and we won’t understand God as fully as Jesus did until each of us is able to declare, with Jesus, “I Am.”
Christian: However, 1 Timothy 2:5 asserts that the sole Mediator between God and Man is the Man Christ Jesus.
New Ager: Oh, so our Christ Consciousness or Higher Self is the sole intermediary.
Christian: You’re misusing the Scriptures.
The issue with you fundamentalists is that you cling on to every syllable, says New Ager. A lot of the Bible is out of date since we live in the New Age! But it also contains timeless truths, and you can only see those truths if you accept the Universal Wisdom found in _all_ faiths.
Christian: According to Second Timothy 3:16, the entire Bible is God’s word and is thus useful. thus, you cannot use the Bible to support your claims.
New Age: You cite the Bible to support the Bible and then accuse me of not having sufficient evidence. My guru really uses the Bible to support her teachings because she can reveal its occult significance. However, since you fundamentalists are so fixated on literal meaning, you are unable to comprehend your own writings. [Discussion ends.]
The New Ager’s belief in mysticism and his guru has scarcely been dented in such a talk. On the other side, the Christian has scarcely been motivated to continue evangelising to New Agers.
They appear to be missing each other’s remarks because they are speaking from completely different presuppositions. How can a Christian overcome this obstacle to successful evangelization? Let me make a simple recommendation.
How much respect one should accord the Bible is at the heart of the Christian-New Age controversy. The Bible is considered by Christians to be God’s inspired, last word. Its lessons are all accurate and congruent. There is one impartial interpretation that must be found for each verse.
Consideration must be given to the verse in question, the body of Scripture as a whole, and the surrounding historical setting in order to understand the Bible’s genuine meaning. The Bible may speak for itself in this way.
On the other hand, New Agers not only discount the Bible’s claim to be uniquely inspired by God, they also fail to treat it with the deference that every work of literature merits: to be examined objectively and in its own right. This is due to the biases they bring to it, which come from the sources of authority they do respect: intuition and experience.
New Agers often only embrace those notions that seem to validate their own intuitions because they have drank deeply from the well of mystical and psychic experience and because they have immersed themselves in the esoteric teachings taken from that well. They reject a doctrine, for instance, if it contests the universal harmony of faiths and the divine unity of all things. Many New Agers, however, find it difficult to understand that the Scriptures of Christianity, one of those apparently harmonious religions, actually negate harmony and oneness; they assume that the “fundamentalists” are misinterpreting the Scriptures.
Therefore, it is quite difficult for New Agers to let the Bible speak for itself. They consistently search for its mystical or hidden meaning, utterly ignoring its evident historical significance, or its real significance. Because of this, the majority of biblical revelation has never been esoteric (cryptic and exclusive), but rather exoteric (clear and public) (Isa. 45:19; 48:16; Mark 4:22; John 18:20; Acts 26:26).
Through prophetic words and miraculous acts, the God of the Bible revealed Himself to humankind throughout history. Therefore, biblical redemption is “objective” in the sense that it is initially delivered to the mind from outside sources as it is seen through the five senses.
A person seeking the truth should never make the error that New Agers commit when they subjectively reinterpret Scripture in the style of esotericism. Without carefully weighing the validity of competing claims to the truth, they assume that their own interpretation of Ultimate Reality is the only one that can exist.
Such New Agers should be made aware by us Christians that they are also guilty of the “sin” of exclusivity. However, although we explicitly reject opposing viewpoints, they do the same by falsely confirming (i.e., redefining) them.
We are urging people to seek an impartial understanding of the Bible’s teachings, not to embrace our interpretation of it out of hand.
We additionally request that people take the claims it makes seriously before rejecting them if they discover that it does give a picture of reality that differs from their own.
We have grounds for calling New Agers to honesty when they take the Bible out of context after they agree to approach the Bible objectively. The power of the gospel will have a chance to enter their brains and hearts if people start to take the claims of the Bible into perspective.
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New Agers and Alien Beliefs
Beliefs in Aliens Gets Us Away from the Bible
As you know many if not all New Agers believe in aliens from other planets. They are not in agreement with everything (depending on their guru), but here are some common beliefs.
Some New Agers believe that aliens have already made contact with humans, but that the government is covering it up. They believe that these aliens are waiting for us to reach a certain level of consciousness before they reveal themselves to us.
Other New Agers believe that we are all connected to the universe and that aliens are simply other expressions of this connection. They believe that we can communicate with aliens through meditation, telepathy, and other forms of spiritual practice.
Here are some specific beliefs that New Agers hold about aliens:
* Aliens are more evolved than humans and can teach us about spirituality, consciousness, and other matters.
* Aliens are here to help us usher in a new age of peace and enlightenment.
* The government is covering up contact with aliens.
* We can communicate with aliens through meditation, telepathy, and other forms of spiritual practice.
New Agers believe that aliens are spiritual beings who have come to Earth to help humanity evolve. They believe that these beings are more advanced than humans in terms of their spiritual development, and that they can teach us how to live in peace and harmony with one another and with the planet.
Some New Agers believe that aliens have been visiting Earth for centuries, and that they have played a role in human history. They point to ancient artifacts and religious texts that they believe contain evidence of alien contact.
Other New Agers believe that aliens are more sinister beings who are here to manipulate and control us. They believe that these aliens are using their advanced technology to influence our minds and behavior, and that they are ultimately planning to enslave humanity.
Any student of the Bible can see the many heresies that the New Agers believe; things that are not support by scripture and common sense by the way.
One: Aliens are more evolved than humans and can teach us about spirituality, consciousness, and other matters.
The Bible clearly teaches us it’s through God’s word that we learn about spirituality.
Two: Aliens are here to help us usher in a new age of peace and enlightenment.
I have heard this for many, many years, and before I believed in the flat earth, I was already a Christian. Looking at this from common sense, I had said many years ago, if that was the case, why haven’t things improved? What is the no peace and only wars? Why didn’t the aliens make “contact?”
The fact is, that New Agers (or whatever they call themselves now) don’t have the answers and neither do the so-called aliens.
Three: New Agers believe that they “created us,” and that they are a “higher form of human.” This is nonsense. It is God that created us and we were not “created over millions of years” either, as some Christians say – mixing evolution with creation and trying to please all sides.
So, it’s only to be expected that the world hates us, because what we believe in exposes their lies, and thus, their control over us.
Did not Christ say that if we are doing His work we would be hated by the world as He was?
The Bible has the answers for us to have peace, health and prosperity. But, as sinful man, the best we can create, as far a country, was what our ancestors had in ancient Israel, under King David and King Solomon. The perfect life will only come when we are in Christ’s Kingdom, which will be here on earth.
How One Preacher Tried to Answer Christian Identity Pastor
How a Typical Preacher Diverts Answering the Questions
Weekly Sermon, 18 June 2023
By Pastor Ted Weiland
The false preacher’s response differed from what was expected in terms of his focus and approach. The texts mention that the preacher chided the speaker for not discussing the church as a viable option, despite the speaker already proving that God’s plan is not limited to a spiritual Israel but includes people from all nations who have come to the Lord. The speaker questions whether the preacher truly listened to the messages, as the preacher’s response seemed to build straw men and avoid addressing the real issues. The modern-day preacher’s response was not in line with what was anticipated, as he did not engage with the speaker’s arguments and instead focused on irrelevant aspects.
Why Can’t People Be Normal in Their Private Life
Ramtha School of Enlightenment Cult
Dr Ana Marie Michalcea has brought to the attention of the public the risks associated with the C jab, which the entire world has been exposed to for the past three years. I had previously shared a link. She has stated that because of what has been injected into us and what has been sprayed in the air, nanotechnology is present in our bodies. The reason why people are dying suddenly has been disclosed by Ana (which I already knew). She supports it with live blood analysis recordings and microscopy images.
Everything is fine.
But in her personal life, she is not typical. She recently acknowledged in a newsletter sent on her Substack platform that she belongs to a group called the “Ramtha School of Enlightenment.” She expresses things in her newsletter that are completely anti-Christian and constitute blasphemy against the Almighty God. Even though she makes no claim to be Christian in any manner, she discusses how we are “divine” and how the deceased “Ramtha” is the Enlightened One, a person of Light. Of course, this is the height of sacrilege.
In other words, why are people who are being honest on one side not able to live regular private lives? And by that, I refer to living a Christian life. This woman has been a member of a cult and still is.
Check out the video below to discover more about the Ramtha cult during its height in the 1980s. But I suppose it’s people like Ana who keep it running with her money.
Update: Looks like Dr Ana is now the driving force behind this 1980’s cult. Check out this video and website.
Scam Artists in Churches
Scam Artists in Churches
Although this site is about the flat earth, you know that I talk on other topics that I believe are of importance. This is also a ministry where there are Bible lessons that you will not hear in churches today. In short, we don’t like to be lied to, to be scammed. With that in mind, I plan to put up videos that talk on this topic. To start with is the big lying televangelists. Here is that is done by a good pastor talking about the big names of Baal Priests that God warned us about.
I plan to put up videos that will cover other scams, other liars that are found in MLM companies, the Law of Attraction, and get rich programs. The purpose of this is so you will not be cheated out of your hard-earned money; so people don’t play on your vulnerability, etc.
What does MLM companies, Law of Attraction and get rich programs have in common? The techniques that these gurus use is much the same that you see in these mega-churches today. The only difference is the Baal churches says, if you give money, God will give more back to you. The LoA, says, if you visualize 1 million pounds, you’ll get it. While the companies actually sell products (though over-priced) and a plan that doesn’t work.
I’m just providing information for your consideration that it will help you in some way. It’s not just NASA lying to us, there are many more that are doing so, too. And, the common thread of this website is to expose lies and liars.
Here is a good preacher talking about these false preachers.
How People Are Lied To
Shocking Video of Media Manipulation
Getting journalist to lie and not report the news in an unbiased way.
Being Cursed by Snakes
Snakes of Judgement
In the Bible we are old that we will be cursed by snakes (among other things). This is also an end-time prophecy. God sends snakes for judgement. Let us read Numbers 21:6 6,
Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
You may ask, “What does this have to do with us?” Well, if you know anything about the Bible, you know that God sends curses to us for disobedience to his laws, statues and judgements. You can see all of his laws that we are breaking, so I don’t have to go into detail here.
If you think that the punishment was only for is people in the Wilderness, I would like to think about this. First, God does punish us by different methods, so it’s not just by one thing at a time. For example, some of the punishment is by: locust, draught, invasion, etc. But he also punishes us by snakes.
Now, I had never thought of this before until I listen to a radio sermon that immediately made me ‘connect the dots,’ so to speak.
I want to focus on snakes for this article. Here is another verse to consider:
Joel 1:6 Joel 8:17 “See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you,” declares the Lord.
God speaks to his people in terms that they understand, as this was over 2,000 years ago. But translating this verse into today news we can see that this is happening today.
It was several months ago that I learned that one of the deadly ingredients in the covid gene altering injection is snake venom. Now, look at how many people got this injection – billions! I believe that this is one way we are being cursed.
What happens when you get bit? It depends from what kind of snake you were bitten, where you were bitten and how fast you got treatment. But many people do get paralyzed and even die. Think about this in today’s society.
Look at Jeremiah 8:17,
For behold, I will [a]send serpents, and cockatrices among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall sting you, saith the Lord.
Have not people who got the injection got some kind of reaction? They did not all die, they did not all get crippled, but had lessor reaction.
With today’s technology, it does not take a literal snake bit to be poisoned – it can be done via the covid inject that most people received. Would this not have the same effect? It most assuredly has.
As mentioned above, there are other ways that we are being punished but with snakes is something that most people have not thought of – until now!
Remember what we just read: Numbers 21:6
Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.
What about today, have not many people died? More than ever in the history of the world.
Continuing, verse 9
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
To me this means that people who believed in God were healed. What about today? Perhaps those who got the injection, realized their mistake and repented, and turned to Yahweh, God in belief will be healed.
Christ called his enemies snakes. This is just not anger on his part but a sign for us to watch who our enemies are – those who seek to rob, injure and destroy. Consider the sign of the snake that we see, such as in the NASA logo, there is the forked tongue of a snake. Taking $58 billion a day from the taxpayer is certainly stealing.
What about the snake symbol in the medical profession. Even the medical profession admits that approximately 200,000 die each year in the US by doctor prescribed medicine. This does not count what they don’t admit – those dying by so-called treatment of cancer.
In short, God sends us warning signs of what will shortly come to pass be the day of great destruction. Listen to this sermon to learn more. Though it was made about 2003, the pastor had no knowledge of what we have experienced now. But I’m sure if he was alive today, he would have ‘connected the dots’ for us.
The Satanic Aspects of NASA
The Satanic Aspects of NASA
By Texe Marrs
Marrs shows that the majority of astronauts are Freemasons.
The Flat Earth from Old Bonanza Film
The Flat Earth from Old Bonanza Film
Here is a bit of truth from the old Bonanza TV series. However, the narrator on this video clip mixed lies with truth. She equated the belief in the flat earth with a belief that Covid is safe. This is an old propaganda technique. This audience knows that Covid is a lie, so by attaching the flat earth to this, is hoping that the people will see the earth is flat is a lie, too. She did recognize that the “holocaust” is a lie. In short, she got two right and one wrong.
Jeff Rense, where this link came from, has his whole reputation tide up with aliens, space, spinning planets, etc., so he doesn’t want to change now. In the beginning his site was sightings.com, which had a lot about UFO, aliens, etc.
It’s better to admit that you were wrong and change, than to keep supporting the same old lie.
David Dees, who made a lot of memes for Rense’s site was a flat earth believer until he died, which was only a couple of years ago. Rense knew he was a flat earther but was not convinced by Dees. However, to Rene’s credit, he did support and looked after him until the day that he died.
David Dees even made some flat earth memes, which were really great.
In summary, some people just don’t want to change – despite the evidence provided.
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