Flat Earth Forum

Posted on November 2, 2015 by revealed4you

Flat Earth Forum

I’d like to apologize for the error in the link for our flat earth forums. I had left out one letter, and, of course, the link didn’t work. So, if you would like to go to our forum please do so. The correct address is:

http://www.cfeministries.freeforums.net

The full name of our forum is Christian Flat Earth Ministries.

You can join the forum for free and add your thoughts. Or, you can visit it as a guest and read all the material and watch the many videos that are posted there. There are videos there that are not posted here, so be sure to check them out.

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Attraction is a Myth

Posted on November 2, 2015 by revealed4you

Attraction is a Myth

From Earth Not a Globe Review, January 1895

By “ Zetetes”

The attraction of gravitation a myth ? Y e s ! a fabulous story, with

no foundation in fact, though having an APPARENT support in some

terrestrial phenomena. Many people imagine that gravitation is a word

representing some discovered fact or force in N atu re ; but let them

proceed to show us what fact or force, and they will discover their

mistake. Gravitation was an invention, not a discovery; and a supposition

necessitated by another hypothesis, viz .; the globular theory. One

was invented to support the other. Without gravitation the globular

theory falls ; and without the globular theory what would become of

gravitation ? I t would become less and lighter than our little molecule

of hydrogen, and fly away into unknown and uncivilized regions.

“ Parallax” proved the globular theory false, by the F A C T that the

surface of water is horizontal; and “ Zetetes,” the investigator after

Truth, practically proves, that the theory of gravitation is utterly false,

by a little molecule of hydrogen gas ! No one can even tell us what

gravitation is, or how it acts. Now, although we may not know what

electricity is, or magnetism ; we do know how they act. As I showed

in No. 2 Earth Review, Newton did not know how gravitation acts, or

whether it really be attraction, or repulsion ; that is, he did not know

whether there is such a thing as attraction or not. Where Newton

failed to guess, what other mathematician dare try ? I f the inventor did

not know, who amongst his pupils can tell ? But they should first prove

that gravitation does act before they attempt to explain how it acts.

The magnet is no proof of gravitation. Its power is selective and

limited. It seems to attract steel and soft iron, but it will not draw

stones and wood ! Gravitation is supposed to attract all bodies, even

the stars. They are all supposed to be pulling hard at one another, yet

they never get any nearer together. It is strange ! But does the magnet

really attract steel ? The iron or steel goes towards the magnet, but is

its motion caused by the attraction or the repulsion of some force ? It

may be carried by a magnetic current, not drawn by the magnet itself.

Newton confessed that the idea of bodies acting “ upon one another at

a distance,” and “ without the mediation o f anything else by and through

which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other,”

is “ so great an absurdity, that,” says he, “ I believe no man, who has in

philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into

it.” Yet many do fall into this error. They are not Zetetics. I stand

on a bridge and I watch a log of wood coming down the stream towards

the bridge. Is the bridge attracting the log from a distance ? Yes, as

much as ever the magnet attracts the soft iron ! I f there were a weir by

the bridge, the log would remain by it, as the iron remains attached to

the magnet. I f not, and if the arch under the bridge be sufficiently

wide, the log would pass under and follow the stream. Then the bridge

would seem to be repelling the log, like one “ pole ” of the magnet will

repel the magnetic needle. Ye t by such flimsy arguments and pre

texts is the theory of attraction supported. No man in the world can

define gravitation, nor tell how it acts ; it is a tissue of philosophical

speculations and falsehoods, unworthy of honest men and thinker’s,

perhaps the most ingenious theory of gravitation ever proposed is that

of Le Sage. He “ imagines,” says Mr, J. E. Gore,

“ An infinite number of ultra mundane corpuscles of excessive minuteness, speeding

through space in all directions, and with enormous velocities. Two bodies in this

ocean of flying corpuscles screen each other from the molecular bombardment, and

would consequently move together with a force varying inversely as the square of the

distance.”

Upon which Professor Tait remarks:

“ It is necessary also to suppose that the particles and masses of matter have a cagelike

form, so that enormously more corpuscles pass through them than impinge upon

them ; else the gravitation action between two bodies would not be as the product of

their masses.”

Well might Sir John Herschel say:

“ The hypothesis of Le Sage, which assumes that every point of space is penetrated

at every instant of time by material particles sui gene7-is, moving in right lines in

every possible direction, and impinging upon the material atoms of bodies, as a

mode of accounting for gravitation, is too grotesque to need serious consideration! ”

“ Too grotesque to need serious consideration!” One of the

theories of gravitation “ grotesque ! ” And a clever astronomer says so,

not an humble zetetic! An humble zetetic agrees with him though.

What then must the poorer theories be ? Readers, take your choice

between common sense and reason, theories “too grotesque to need serious

consideration.”

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Gravitation Defined

Posted on November 2, 2015 by revealed4you

Gravitation Defined

From Earth Not a Globe Review, January 1895

By “ Zetetes”

In the science schools of to-day our pupils are taught the atomic

theory, namely : that all bodies consist of innumerable minute particles^

so small that they are invisible and cannot be further divided, or cut up,

as their name, atoms, implies. These atoms, the gods of the scientist

and evolutionist, may all be the same size, if we can attach size to such

infinitely small things, or potentialities, but they have not all the same

specific gravity or weight. Hydrogen, a kind of gas, is the lightest body

known. Hydrogen may be obtained by a combination of sulphuric

acid, zinc clippings, and water. As the gas bubbles up through the water

we catch a little in a glass bottle, or a test-tube. We may fix our mind’s

eye upon one molecule of hydrogen, and let all the others go free. -We

work this molecule safely inside a small glass tube. It is the lightest

body known upon the earth, and it is easier to pull about light bodies

than heavy ones. Now, the theory of gravitation is that all the atoms

in the earth and in the world are attracting, or pulling at this molecule

of hydrogen ; and that, being nearest to the earth, the latter will have the

most power over it. We will not pause to show further the absurdity of

this theory, and the infinite number of bonds and filaments our little

molecule must possess to be in pulling connection with all the atoms of

the universe; but we will proceed to liberate it from the bottle, not from

the bonds, and watch, with mental vision, its behaviour, on being so far

set free. Now what course ought the molecule to take, if the theory of

our astronomical friends be true ? Clearly and rapidly downwards to

the earth, pulled down unmercifully by ten thousand times ten million

threads or gravitating cords. We turn the bottle neck downwards and

draw the cork. The molecule of hydrogen ascends in the glass, and

refuses to leave the bottle. Remember, every atom in the so-called

“ globe” is pulling with all its might at our little molecule of hydrogen;

yet It refuses to leave the jar ! Turn the glass right side up, and now

our molecule, really liberated, mounts up above the highest clouds, in

complete defiance of the combined pull of all the gravitating forces in

the “ globe.” That molecule must be a Zetetic. It stands aloof from

all the nonsensical “ forces,” or theories, of the astronomers, and mounts

upwards and onwards in defiance of them. It defies, as we defy, all

their metaphysical “ reasoning ” and jargon about gravitation. I f

bodies falling to the earth prove gravitation, what do bodies ascending

from the earth prove ? I f the “ globe ” can pull at a distant body like

the moon and make it “ fall ” through sixteen feet per second, why can

it not pull at air, smoke, clouds, gases, & a , close at hand, and make

them all lie down in layers upon its surface ? The conclusion is evident;

a force that cannot overcome a little helpless molecule of hydrogen, is

no force at all. The apple was too much for it, and so is the molecule.

Bodies rise or fall, according to their inherent density, or weight, and

they remain at rest whenever and wherever they attain their equilibria.

This is reasonable, because it is natural; yet at the same time it is utterly

opposed to the fanciful speculations of the scientists, who darken counsel

with words without knowledge. In the whole wide world there is no

such thing as the astronomer’s “ attraction of gravitation.” I challenge

any of them to prove it. I will, in conclusion, proceed to show that

their idea of.

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Something on Gravitation

Posted on November 2, 2015 by revealed4you

From Earth Not a Globe Review, January 1895

By “ Zetetes”

A correspondent, interested in Zetetic Truth, asks me for “ Something

on Gravitation.” I propose, therefore, to give a few of my thoughts

thereon in the Earth Review, as others besides my missionary friend

may be interested in reading something on this subject.

But a difficulty meets one at the outset. How am I to write

“ something” about nothing? I cannot create, as some erroneously

suppose the world was made, out of nothing. Paul says the things which

are seen were not made out of “ phenomena,” or things which do appear ;

but he nowhere teaches that they came out of absolutely nothing, except

invisibility. Now, “ Gravitation ” has been created, not only out of

invisibility, but out of nothing, except the vain imaginations of astronomical

minds. I t was not “ discovered,” but invented; and I shall

proceed to prove that there is no such thing as the “ attraction of

Gravitation ” in God’s universe, and that the phenomena supposed to

countenance the theory are capable of other and more natural interpretations.

O f course, I speak of “ Gravitation ” in the astronomical sense

of a universal power in all bodies, celestial and terrestrial, to attract, or

pull one another together, with forces directly in proportion to their

masses, and inversely as the squares of their distances. So that terrestrial

attraction and phenomena will be seen to be only a small part of this

question of Universal Gravitation. The former we may explain by

weight and currents ; but the latter we utterly deny. Let us try, in the

first place, to realize what is meant by, and implied in the astronomical

theory of gravitation, and its

Universal Attraction

According to this idea, every body in the universe, however large or

small, has the power, by some means or other, to attract, or pull towards

itself, every other body in the universe, however near or distant. Yea,

not only is every body supposed to have this power, but the power is

said to be in actual operation every moment of time for ever. So that,

if I hold an apple in my hand, it is connected with, and pulling at all

the apples in the world ; all the pears and plums, all the trees, gardens,

walls, houses, all the stones, rocks, rivers, and mountains; yea, and every

separate drop of water in the ocean, and every grain of sand on the sea

shore. A n d these are a ll pulling at the apple. Yet it remains passively

on my hand, while I study gravitation, or decide whether I will eat the

apple now, or leave it for further experimentation. This apple ought

to dance about, or at least to show some symptoms of the awful internal

struggles going on within it. Perhaps it has learned the art of appearing

passive, an art which some astronomers seem to acquire, and to keep a

quiet and serene countenance, while internally tortured with ten thousand

doubts and pangs. Ten thousand ! Yea, ten thousand times ten

thousand gravitating cords or strings are pulling at it ! For we must

remember that sun, moon and stars, and supposed millions of millions

of “ other worlds than ours ” are each and all interested in that apple;

and they send out their innumerable long and filamentous fingers to

clutch it out of my open hand. Ye t it remains outwardly unmoved in

.serene and blushing passivity. 1 shall have to eat it, threads and all,

with whatever tentacles, or other attractive matter may be attached to

it! What a peril! But there is such an attractive force, either in the

apple, or in the natural taste God has given us for common fruit, as well,

as for common sense, that I take all risks and disappoint the sun and

stars. I am glad that Newton was led to muse over an apple falling to

the ground by its own weight, when the stalk was rotten. He would

have mused more had it “ fallen ” upwards.

But we, dear reader, can also muse over apples. While so musing, I

wonder why my apple makes no tremulous motion towards the moon,

which is rising as I write, especially as she is now between the two

“ ponderous and superior” planets. Mars and Jupiter, which are approaching

towards conjunction. Ye t through the varying positions and

relationships of the heavenly bodies, as they roll around the world and

my apple, it remained on the shelf twenty-four hours perfectly stationary,

as though no such tremendous forces were playing their mighty artillery

upon it. They may try from their various vantage grounds, east or west,

north or south, mid-heaven or sideways, yet the apple will not move.

Yet a breath would have caused it to roll. There is no proof for

Zetetics of universal attraction in this apple. But perhaps mine is

different from Newton’s. It will not bow to fair Luna as she pulls it

sideways, assisted by the two powerful giants, one on each side, attending

her like guards, much less will it attempt to rise towards the mighty sun

as he pulls with all his meridian power and glory. Its weight is the same

throughout the twenty-four hours. No ! friends. I must see an apple fall

upwards before I believe in solar gravitation.

But a superficial thinker may object that the reason bodies only fall

downwards to the earth is, because the earth being nearer than the sun,

its force of attraction is the greater of the two. Is it ? Let us take

another instance, which proves, not only that there is no such thing as

terrestrial gravitation, or attraction, but which shows that this supposed

power may be defied.

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Using the Flat Earth Design in Building a Home

Posted on October 29, 2015 by revealed4you

Grand-Designs-3I recently saw a UK program called “Grand Designs” of one family who had the first floating home built in England. This was on an island in the Thames. It wasn’t until near the end that I realised that this home is built, in part, on what the flat earth is theorised to be built on. It was really amazing when I connected the home to the flat earth!

Now, of course, the builders nor any one else knows about the flat earth but from my reading of the flat earth and its surroundings it was how, in small part, this home was built.

To prevent the home from being flooded the builders went about 4 meters into the ground. From there they build the walls and floor. Within this “box without a lid” construction was built the basement. So, visualise a box within a box. This smaller “box” would be the basement and the home would sit on top of it. There was a narrow space between the two “box like construction” where the water would go if there was a flood (which usually is on the island). The basement weighted 150 tons (I didn’t hear them say the weight of the rest of the house). This basement was mounted on what looked like steel girders.

Then the test when there was just the basement frame built. The contractor had water from the Thames River pumped into it to make sure it was waterproof. The workers and the owners looked down on the incomplete construction as the water was pumped in. Sure enough, the basement rose.

When the house was completed, there was a flood and indeed the home rose. I believe that the home could rise about 10 feet high! But they had noticed a problem and that was the home tilted! When Kevin McCloud, the host of the program was there, the owner put a billiard ball on the kitchen table and the ball slowly rolled down. He said this indicates the the home is slanting to the left. The contractor came out again and went to a small craw space below the basement. This was entered by a small opening in the floor. There, he placed cinder blocks on one side of the home until there was no more tilt. Sure enough, the billiard ball did not roll.

When Kevin stepped inside the home he said you could not tell if the home was floating on water. Earlier in the program he did a little experiment to show how the home would work (this was before the building was completed). He had a plexiglass see through container and inside it was a box made out of some heavy material. Then he poured the water in on the outside of this box. (The box had no top just like the real construction.) There was only a small space between the dimensions of the plexiglass container and the heavy box to which the water was pour. You would think that something that big and of a heavy weight placed inside a container that had, in turn, a small amount of water would not be enough buoyancy – but there was. He mentioned some “law” but I hadn’t heard of it nor remembered what he said. In short this law of physics is the bases of the “floating home” construction.

View the video here…

Relating this to the flat earth

We read in the Bible and in old flat earth booklets and books that quote the Bible that the earth is built on the foundations of the earth, the firmament and the dividing of waters (Genesis chapter 1), and other places.

I have learned from reading the Bible and flat earth material that the earth is built on a sea but not the sea that we see; that there are foundations to the earth to stabilise it so “it shall not move” as God said.

The earth not only has to be flat but it has to be level or otherwise we’d feel it. Like in the “Grand Designs” program when the owner put the billiard ball on the table. Even a tilt of the earth would be noticeable. Imagine if the earth was on a globe – we’d be falling all over the place.

There are some flat earthers (those who follow Mark Sargent) says the earth is kind of shaped like a roulette table. This is a lie and just as bad as believing in a globe earth.

This home has foundations, just as we are told that the earth has foundations. Being in this home when there was a flood and it was essentially sitting on water, you have no feeling at all that you were on water (unlike being in a boat). So, it is with the earth.

You can see the whole program here.

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David Icke’s Comment on the Flat Earth

Posted on October 28, 2015 by revealed4you
David Icke evades the flat earth question.

David Icke evades the flat earth question.

David Icke makes a recent comment on the flat earth. Though Ick has good information on the current news of the world and the conspiracies behind it, but he mixes truth with lies or, should I say, fantasy. If you have read this books, you know he has one where he thinks that reptilian aliens are controlling human think from the moon! (Lol.) In this video clip he talks about the non-reality of life. This is Bull. The non-reality of life is a big part of his seminars and books.

Ick is a real “nutter.” He doesn’t address the flat earth issue in any serious manner. He questions if we really live on earth. He said is the flat earth round or square. Is the sky blue or pink? The big danger for people who believe in Icke’s non-reality are several.

1) When someone buys into this, they really don’t care about things around them. On the one hand they say “this isn’t reality,” on the other, they show concern about chemtails, the engineered wars, etc. So, if this is not reality, why care? When people really don’t care, they lose their love, concern and care for their fellow man. If Icke really feels that this is “not reality” then let someone try to rob him and see what he says. He’ll yell, “Give me my money back!”

  1. The other thing that is wrong with Icke’s statement about the earth is he does not address it in a logical and scientific manner. Even in this so-called “non-reality state,” it takes science to develop all the things we have of civilization. If it wasn’t for people who believe in what they see; who believe in the things around them, we would not have books and computers for example. Without these two, David Icke would not have been known world-wide, nor would have the money coming to him from these two sources. So, when you dig deeper with the people who follow David Icke, they really do believe in reality or otherwise they’d be living in caves and wouldn’t give a sh*t about anything – they are hypocrites.

  2. Finally, people who believe in Icke’s “non-reality” don’t believe in the God of the Bible. They have a “god” that is some impersonal energy source who likes to fool his created humans and put them in some kind of virtual reality computer simulation game and play with their mind. In short, it’s another religion and a heathen one to be sure.

Once people buy into this non-reality junk they seem to buy into all the Bull that people like David Icke spouts. This leaves a big opening into your mind to fill it with lies. Haven’t we got enough lies without more added to it? To illustrate this, people who follow Icke believes what he tells you about reptilian aliens make up the British Royal family, and that reptilians control humans through some sort of “ray” that they beam to us. He says all this without a shred of evidence, of course. So, with evidence people buy into it.

Check out his video here (unless you are already fed up with him). Click Here.

 

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UFO Believers and the Flat Earth

Posted on October 27, 2015 by revealed4you

UFO Believers and the Flat Earth

Do you believe in UFOs and Aliens visiting us from other planets? If you do, you’ll probably have a strong bias against the flat earth theory. If you have made your reputation on UFOs and you are known as “the UFO guy” you’ll probably have more of a resistance of listening to flat earth information. Why? Because this is how most humans are. If they have more than just a belief in the possibility of E.T.s visiting the earth, they will probably reject the flat earth – even if you give logical explanation after explanation, they will not believe it.

Now, think about those who have made money from the UFO dissemination, people like Jeff Rense and George Noony of Coast to Coast AM. They have a lot more at stake. These two people probably have the most popular websites in the world if you are into UFOs. They have guests on their talk shows that give UFO updates and they have authors of books on the subject.

What would they do if Rense, for example, were to listen to the flat earth information – would he accept it or would he reject it? If he accepted it, then he would have to publicly announce that he doesn’t believe in Aliens from space, Planet X, Alien abductions and the rest of it. Would he take down all the articles that pertain to this? Would he delete all the audio files of interviews with people who do believe in it? And what would he say to those he calls his friends that have written books on the subject – would he risk losing their friendship?

Now, what about those who have written books on the UFO phenomenon – would they believe in the flat earth? Would they risk future income by not writing on UFOs? Or would they ignore the facts that are presented to them – no matter how strong?

Unfortunately, mankind will deny anything that goes against their long held beliefs – especially if they have made money on it in some way.

Now, I’m not picking on Jeff Rense. I think he is a fine guy and he does expose other conspiracies that is going on and he does have guests that talk on other subjects on government scandals, false flag operations, ect, but I just used him as someone who has made his identity, if you will, on the subject of UFOs.

Now, there is an exception to the rule and that is when Mark Sargent was guest on the Coast to Coast AM program back in May of 2015. So, how did Mark talk on the flat earth with host of the largest radio program who has one main topic of Aliens? He lied, as he claimed that the dome (firmament) above the earth was created by Aliens, that they created the earth, that they are observing us! This is out right rubbish and he knows it. No other flat earther – with the exception of deceivers – state that. With these lies it did not “ruffle the feathers” of Host George Noony. Mark did not get this information from Eric Dubay and he did not get it from old flat earth booklets and books. So, that is how Mark was able to get on Coast to Coast radio – he admitted that E.T.s are invovled. If Noony had someone like Eric on, the outcome would have been quite different.

For those who are new to this blog site and who don’t know about the flat earth. First, I would encourage you to read the articles and watch the videos here. Before you do, I just want to say that there are no Aliens out there, no E.T.s built the dome, and you can’t fly in and out. However, there is a Creator God who did build the dome (firmament), who created the earth and who watches over us.

Before I leave, I know that you may have many questions as to:

What about all those abductions?

What about the ancient astronauts?

What about the thousands of UFO sightings world wide over the millennia?

This would take a book to write about. But I do suggest you look on YouTube for the documentary film “Ancient Aliens Debunked” and this will answer many of your questions.

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Matt Boylan and Mark Sargent Are Wrong on Flat Earth Topics

Posted on October 27, 2015 by revealed4you

Matt Boylan and Mark Sargent Are Wrong on Flat Earth Topics

There was an interview done by Coast to Coast with guest Mark Sargent which you can hear on YouTube. One point in the audio, Mark was asked why there is dome; why are we kept in here. His response is that there are others out there that don’t want us to come in contact with them; that we will mess it up for them. He said that Matt feels pretty much the same way.

The reason why I bring this up is that these two people are big in the flat earth movement. There are other flat earthers who disagree with these two people, including Eric Dubay, the people on his chat forum. And, Christian Flat Earth Ministry disagree. Let me explain.

Mark Sargent puts out some good flat earth information but where he is wrong will lead good people astray. He talks about that the dome was made by others, implying an alien race. That they want to keep us in this enclosed dome and that is why it is there. With that in mind, listeners will still believe in aliens and if they don’t believe in them now, will be lead to believe in aliens.

First, most flat earthers, including myself, know that the dome or whatever you want to call it was not built by another civilization but by Yahweh himself. We are told this in the Bible, so what more do you want. To say that it was built by E.T.s then Mark will have some explaining to do, namely, where did they come from?

If some other race outside of earth built it, then where do they live? Does that mean that Mark Sargent believes that there are other worlds out there? And are these other worlds globes speeding through space? If they are flat, then show some proof.

In this Coast to Coast interview with George Noony, George does not ask the obvious questions about what kind of planet do the aliens live on – is it round or flat? And, whatever shape, how does that fit in with the earth?

What this dome is, which the Bible calls the “firmament,” that it keeps our atmosphere in place. Think if you are to make a contained living space but the animals need a certain kind of atmosphere, what you would you need to keep it in? You’ll need some form of dome (probably a glass one) would you not? If you were to make an atmosphere that is composed of different ratios of gas than what we have on the outside, you’ll need a dome to do so, otherwise it will quickly drift away from this little land area that you created in a lab. Now imagine that this kind of animal needs a different ratio of gases than what we breath, they would die if there was not a dome to keep it in. After all, air very easily drifts away. It doesn’t matter what kind of gas it is, it could be oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, argon or carbon dioxide, all gases are very susceptible to air movement.

This firmament serves two purposes, one to keep out atmosphere in, and two, to keep us inside.

What is on the outside?

We just have the Bible to go on but this book has proved to be the word of God, so we can absolutely trust it. Over the dome we are told is heaven and where the throne of God is. There has to be some form of dividing. And as for what they breath, I don’t know, so that must be another reason. Since we are talking about the spirit world, I don’t know what they breath or even if they have to. Just thank God that the beautiful dome with the stars in it is there.

With Mark Sargent taking God out of the equation and saying that aliens put us here is going back to what the Jew World Order wants us to believe, or soon wants us to believe. What is that? That aliens created us and not Yahweh God.

As for other planets, as for endless space? There isn’t any. All we have to do is read the Bible again to find out answers. John 3.16 says, for God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not die but have everlasting life.

What does this verse mean that millions of Christians know by heart? It means, in addition to believing in Christ that we shall live forever but it has another message. “Only begotten” means one. And what that means – there can’t be other planets out there! For if there were billions of other planets – as we are told – then logic would say at least a small percentage would have sin. And if they have sin, how would they be saved? Knowing about the flat earth should really humble us in that we are the “apple of God’s eyes;” that He really does love us and He is watching right over our head.

We are the object of God’s attention and with that, that means there can’t be billions, millions, or even thousands of other planets out there that God has to give attention to. This means that outside of the firmament (dome) is NOT what Matt and Mark would have you believe it is.

Mark Sargent goes on to say in this interview “…that it’s not just the world leaders want to make us think we are on a ball but also those who built it; as the globe model will serve their (meaning aliens) purpose. As a globe model would keep us from knowing we are under a dome.” These are not his exact words but this is the essence of what he said.

Again, mark Sargent is wrong by saying that aliens put us here and that the globe would keep us from looking at the boundaries. While it is true that a globe earth will not make us think that we are contained in here, it is NOT the aliens that created us or created the earth. It’s God that did the creating.

He is also wrong in that this is meant to be kept from us. God did not act like the world leaders to make us think our earth is different than what it really is. God Himself told us about the nature of the earth, he did not deceive us as our world leaders have done. And, we have not been deceived by some alien race that built earth. God said there is a dome (firmament) over us. He said the Sun moves (as opposed to the earth). He said the earth has foundations that it cannot move (disproves the speeding earth through space). God said that he sits above the circle of the earth (you can only have a circle on a flat surface).

The goal of the Jew World Leaders is to announce soon that the aliens made us, as they have give up on the evolution as it caused too many problems for them. So, that is why you see major mainstream media introducing the alien visitation without the snide remarks that they used to make. Of course, by saying that aliens created us and the earth gets us away from God and his laws that we are to have. It will still make us worship a false god or no God at all. So, I see Mark Sargent steering the flat earth movement away from the God of the Bible, and leading it to aliens from another planet. All of this is alignment with the anti-Christs world leaders. The final question is, is Mark doing this on his own or is he working on the world leaders’ behalf? In any case, we will be lead away from the knowledge of the true God.

I would think that Mark is deliberately in agreement with the N.W.O. Why? Because, he has been to other flat earth sites, he’s read the posts and read the old flat earth booklets. In the flat earth booklets of 100 years ago, they were Christians, so he knows the many references to the geocentric earth and the Bible. And, Mark must surely know of Bob Skiba. In fact he was interviewed by him. Bob has done an excellent job in making the flat earth knowledge with the Bible. So, why didn’t Mark tell of the Bible connections to the flat earth? If he doesn’t believe in it, then why didn’t he try to debunk it?

To sum up, Mark does make good points in his videos and in his interviews, so you may see a video or two by him on this site. I just wanted to point out important errors he made.

No one has all the answers to this flat earth information, and I don’t have it, but what I’m sure in and what I think is important I have to bring it to the attention of others. Saying that aliens created us and/or created the earth and its surrounding is blasphemy. What else could I call it? Just don’t accept everything that Mark Sargent or Matt Boylan say.

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 5

Posted on October 26, 2015 by revealed4you

The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles. Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles. This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions! One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude. On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality. This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South traveled the farther the divide.

“From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles. These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (52)

Similar calculations made from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa to Melbourne, Australia at an average latitude of 35.5 degrees South, have given an approximate figure of over 25,000 miles, which is again equal to or greater than the Earth’s supposed greatest circumference at the equator. Calculations from Sydney, Australia to Wellington, New Zealand at an average of 37.5 degrees South have given an approximate circumference of 25,500 miles, greater still! According to the ball-Earth theory, the circumference of the Earth at 37.5 degrees Southern latitude should be only 19,757 statute miles, almost six thousand miles less than such practical measurements.

“The above calculations are, as already stated, only proximate; but as liberal allowances have been made for irregularities of route, etc., they are sufficiently accurate to prove that the degrees of longitude, as we proceed south-wards, do not diminish, as they would upon a globe, but expand or increase, as they must if the earth is a plane; or, in other words, the farthest point, or greatest latitude south, must have the greatest circumference and degrees of longitude.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (258)

“Parallels of latitude only – of all imaginary lines on the surface of the Earth – are circles, which increase, progressively, from the northern centre to the southern circumference. The mariner’s course in the direction of any one of these concentric circles is his longitude, the degrees of which INCREASE to such an extent beyond the equator (going southwards) that hundreds of vessels have been wrecked because of the false idea created by the untruthfulness of the charts and the globular theory together, causing the sailor to be continually getting out of his reckoning. With a map of the Earth in its true form all difficulty is done away with, and ships may be conducted anywhere with perfect safety. This, then, is a very important practical proof that the Earth is not a globe.” –William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (14)

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Antarctica and Flat Earth part 4

Posted on October 26, 2015 by revealed4you

During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.

“The commanders of these various expeditions were, of course, with their education and belief in the earth’s rotundity, unable to conceive of any other cause for the differences between log and chronometer results than the existence of currents. But one simple fact is entirely fatal to such an explanation, viz., that when the route taken is east or west the same results are experienced. The water of the southern region cannot be running in two opposite directions at the same time; and hence, although various local and variable currents have been noticed, they cannot be shown to be the cause of the discrepancies so generally observed in high southern latitudes between time and log results. The conclusion is one of necessity, forced upon us by the sum of the evidence collected that the degrees of longitude in any given southern latitude are larger than the degrees in any latitude nearer to the northern center; thus proving the already more than sufficiently demonstrated fact that the earth is a plane, having a northern center, in relation to which degrees of latitude are concentric, and from which degrees of longitude are diverging lines, continually increasing in their distance from each other as they are prolonged towards the great glacial southern circumference.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (261)

“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” –Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

“In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine – in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks – from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.” –Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”

The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

 

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