Typical Objections to a Flat Earth 23 January

Posted on January 23, 2016 by revealed4you

Here are some objections to a flat earth. This was actually sent by a reader. I’ll do my best to answer them. You’ll probably find more detailed objections in many of the flat earth videos that are posted on the internet and what are on Christian Flat Earth Ministry blog site right here. So, here goes…

Q: If the world is flat, why do objects appear over the horizon?

Objects ‘appear’ over the horizon because they come into view, not because they came over the curve. It’s the law of perspective – your eyes can only see so far.

Q: Do you really believe every space mission ever was just a conspiracy?

The quick answer is, ‘Yes.’ People, in general believe that someone lied when the lie is small. That’s because they make small lies themselves. But they believe a big lie because they don’t think that anyone would lie on such a grand scale only because they would never do it. Thus, it’s hard for people to believe that a whole space agency (NASA), that the educational system and that governments would lie. People typically think, ‘They wouldn’t lie to us.’ Thus, they fall for the big lie.

By the way, do a YouTube search on: fake moon landing

Q: What would space agencies and increasingly private space projects have to gain by faking the entire thing?

There are several reasons for this, they include: to make money from us, to have us believe that we evolved from apes and that man has ‘all the answers.’

NASA gets billions of dollars per year. Some of this is spent to ‘put on a show’ but the majority of it goes in their pockets. Most people can’t accept that. I understand people doubting this when the lie is so monstrous. Surely, the average person would think that they would be found out. When you have powerful people and you use some of that money to ‘grease the hands’ of others – people keep their mouths shut. In government, employees have to sign ‘non-disclosures’ in order for them to keep their mouths shut.

But one thing you should keep in mind is, that your flat earth research should be based on facts of physics. Don’t base the flat earth on ‘How can so many people be on the “take.”  Base this on facts, such as, ‘Water can not stay on a ball and that includes the globe earth.’ Once you examine that, then what the rest the government tells us MUST be a lie.

It would be a vast waste of money and human resources to fake building the International Space Station.

Not when the money comes from the taxpayers.

The Soviet Union was deeply humiliated after being beaten in the race to the Moon. It would have been easy to admit that there had been a conspiracy and spacecraft did not go around the Earth.

The Soviet Union knew about the true nature of the earth; they had their fake orbiting around the earth. So, they, too, kept their mouths shut. Remember, Russia was, at that time, was an Anti-Christ communist system and the central part of their philosophy is ‘that there is no God, that Christ did not exist and the Bible is not true.’ They were a big supporter of what Charles Darwin wrote – that we evolved from lower forms of life. If the facts of the flat earth were told; that there is a dome over us and that above this dome is Heaven itself, it will throw out the whole evolution lie in one fatal blow. This, they can’t have, so Soviets were more than willing to go along with it. To make all this heliocentric universe look real they have to make it look like there are space missions, International Space Station, trips to Mars, new planets found, ad nausea.

The ‘outer space’ we are presented with is nothing more than computer generated images (CGI). For example, to make a ‘space station’ could cost $50,000, but this is nothing with the billions dollars they receive for funding every year. A very nice profit indeed!

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Questions by a Reader for 20 January

Posted on January 23, 2016 by revealed4you

A reader has a few questions about the flat earth. Now, what I should do is, tell all readers that most questions – if not all – are answered in the various videos on this blog site. Then, even if I answer the questions, what should I do when someone else asks a month later? Answer again? Do I have to keep an index of letters, search through them all, find the right one and copy-and-paste it?

I don’t want any reader to think that I’m personally ignoring them but I hope that they see the time it would take on my part to do this.

To answer the reader who wrote and asked me several questions, the answers are in the videos. You might not come across the specific ones you asked, however, you’ll probably come across some questions that you haven’t even thought of. AND, you would have the answers to those questions.

Yes, it would be nice to have all questions neatly filed in alphabetical order for people to read. It would be nice to have what questions are answered in what videos, but I don’t have the time to do that. And I don’t that has already been done. If you know of someone who has done that – kindly let the readers know here. Thanks!

I’ll some of the questions this reader has in a future Post, as they are good ones. But as of now, I hope that the above explanation will do.

I’ll leave you with this one thought:

A judge asked the witness to come to the stand. So, one man came up. He was asked by the Judge, ‘Are you the witness?’

Man: ‘No your honour. There are 10 reasons why he can’t be here.’

Judge: ‘Well, then give me the reasons.’

Man: ‘Reason one, the witness is dead.’

Judge: ‘That’s ENOUGH. You can keep the other nine reasons.’

Do you get my point?

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Elements of a Good Flat Earth Conversation

Posted on January 23, 2016 by revealed4you

By Richard Snowden

Here are, what I think, are good elements of a conversation talking about the flat earth to strangers (or anyone else for that matter). This refers to the previous conversation Click Here to access it.

1 – Be friendly. No one likes to talk to someone with a frown or someone that doesn’t look like fun to be with.

2 – Start with small talk. You don’t have to start with the weather as that is old a trite. Find something else you can talk on and if it’s something that makes them laugh, so much the better. This way, you’ll look like a friendly person to be with; someone they would like to listen to.

3 – Then, introduce the flat earth topic. There are many different ways you can do this. Here are a couple, but you might think of your own.

Did you hear about the big talk going around the internet about the flat earth? (If you are talking to a young person, associate this to Facebook, as many young people are into social media.)

I heard this crazy talk about the flat earth; what do you think about it?

Someone recently told me that the earth is flat and I though he was crazy?

A lot of people are ignorant about geography and I thought I knew it all.

Do you think there is a possibility that the earth is flat?

There are many variations of the above or something that is different. Wait for their response. Firstly, they might already think the earth is flat or have their suspicions. If not, tell them you thought the say way, too. Secondly, by using, what is called in grammar ‘talking in the third person singular’ you saying that someone else is saying this, so it’s not directly reflected back to you. That is, until you talk more. But this is very useful when introducing a very controversial subject.

4 – Start with a hard-hitting piece of fact. In my conversation (see previous Post) I had use water and that it seeks its own level. You can use other examples, but make sure that it gets to the point fast.

I then followed through with maths involved in a planet that is 25,000 mile in circumference; that the maths doesn’t work out. In short, this a a quick ‘1, 2 punch.’

The edge to contain the water I used next. So, this is number 3 of something that is hard to dispute – even if they are heliocentric believers.

Most people never heard of a wall around the earth and would think you are crazy until you tell them about the Antarctic ice wall. When they see the pictures, they can’t deny it or, they might already know about this but never thought it as a wall. They start to really think at this point, they start to doubt what they’ve been told.

5 – Gently correct someone if they get off track, like I did when the man brought up Columbus sailing to the new world.

6 – Answering other questions or statements that they bring up. If you have time to answer them, do so. If you don’t know the answer, simply say you don’t know but you do know enough to question what you have been told about the earth from astronomers.

7 – If the conversation ends before they are convinced – which, in all probability it will – end with ‘Just do a YouTube search on the flat earth; there are many videos to choose from. Do your own research and don’t believe; check it out yourself.

As a side note, when you say, ‘You don’t have to believe me…’ this works to your advantage. The subconscious mind does not understand or accept the words: not, no don’t So, their subconscious cancels out the ‘don’t’ and is left with, ‘You have to believe me.’ Sneaky, huh?

After any conversation you have, write down anything they say that shows disbelief or even scepticism. If you don’t know the answer, find it out. If you can’t find the answer, just tell them you don’t know. As the saying goes, ‘One sharp sword sharpens another.’ What this means, it will make you a better ‘soldier’ you’d be able to handle even the difficult questions that may come up later.

When you do give your talk, bring up the questions that people will most likely ask and answer them first! This is known as ‘a pre-emptive strike’ (lol)!

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Flat Earth Chat With Strangers 23 January 2016

Posted on January 23, 2016 by revealed4you

By Richard Snowden

I thought it would be good to have a regular feature about my chat with strangers on the flat earth. Hopefully, this will encourage you to have conversations about the flat earth, too.

Today, I went to my regular café and saw another couple having coffee. We were the only ones there, so it made it an ideal time to to talk about the flat earth. I started off with small talk. After awhile I introduced the flat earth topic. It went something like this:

‘You know, a lot of people are ignorant about geography. So, let me start with this – if I pour water off a table it falls to the floor, right? This is because water seeks its own level. If I pour water off a basketball – it would fall off, too. If I threw the basketball thousands of miles per hour – if such a thing would be possible – it would disintegrate. YET, we are told this is what’s happening to the earth!

I then talked about the distance you can see an object. ‘We are told by astronomers and people in NASA of the maths involved (8inches times the distance squared). This is the figure that they give us.’ Then I used the Bradford Canal in Cornwall experiment; that we should not be able to see a boat that is 6 miles away. I said, ‘How is this possible IF the earth is a globe?’ They couldn’t answer this.

Then the lady quipped, ‘I guess some things we are just to accept.’

I then went into an example of a swimming pool. ‘A swimming pool contains its water because it has a wall around, too. So, too, earth has a wall around it.’

‘Really?’ the lady said.

‘Yes, and you can find many pictures of this just.’

‘You can?’

‘Just go to Google and do a search with the words: ‘Antarctic ice wall,’ and you’ll find many pictures of ice walls from 150 – 200 feet high.’

Throughout the conversation I said three times, ‘You might think that I’m crazy but that’s OK. Just check it out yourself.

‘The Antarctic is not like Australia – surrounded by water but it’s stretch out along the edge. Just think of the earth shaped like a CD; with the centre of the CD being the North Pole.’

I also mentioned you can go around the earth that is flat like you can a globe. Just imagine you are on the centre of the grove on the CD, you can go from East to West and come back again on a flat earth as you can on a globe.

The gentleman then brought up Columbus and said, ‘Christopher Columbus sailed looking for India; how did he do that? Why didn’t he sail off the edge?’

I responded, ‘He would have had to sail South. He didn’t because he wanted to stay within certain latitudes to find India. He would have had to sail South a long way.’ (Of course, no one can sail off the edge because of the ice wall and the elevated continent.) When I reminded him about the ice wall conversation we had; then he understood.

‘The gentleman then said, ‘What about the flights in space?’

I responded, ‘Did you ever hear that we didn’t go to the moon?’ And they both had heard about it.

In short, it was a pleasant conversation. Because they had to go at this point, I ended the conversation with, ‘Just do a YouTube search with the words: flat earth, flat earth proof, flat earth clues. You’ll find many videos. They also have good pictures and video clips that go along with the conversation.’

They both said they’ll check it out this evening.

I also gave them my contact information.

In the next Post, I’ll write about the elements of this conversation that should help you when you talk to strangers about the flat earth.

I hope you find this article and the next one of interest.

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Flat Earth Outreach Comments

Posted on January 21, 2016 by revealed4you

If you have not read the Page titled: Flat Earth Outreach, please do so. For those who have, this is where I would like to hear you ideas about ways of reaching others with the flat earth AND Bible truths.

Thank you.

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Jeff Rense and the Flat Earth

Posted on January 19, 2016 by revealed4you

Jeff Rense – the big UFO believer – has a link on his website to an article/video by one of his contributors. This doesn’t mean that Rense believes in the flat earth but it MAY mean that he is thinking his options. This is great that he at least has a post on his site to the flat earth, as Jeff had a large following and, hopefully, some of his people will consider the the globe earth is another conspiracy.

Rense-flat-earth

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UFO believer and flat earth debate

Posted on January 19, 2016 by revealed4you

Stanton Friedman and Mark Sargent

Many of you know that Stanton Friedman is one of the biggest advocates of UFO, Ets and life on other planets. All people who believe in UFOs also believe in a heliocentric universe (globes travelling through space). UFO believers either don’t believe in a flat earth or they never heard the facts about the flat earth.

By the way, Mark Sargent gave some misleading information. For example, he allowed the plausibility of a dome that stretches way beyond the earth – ‘like putting a large bowel over a 50 cent piece’ he said. Sargent also said of the possibility that Aliens are just not allowing us out. It is God that is not allowing us outside the dome.

People who know about Sargent, like Eric Dubay, claims he’s a shill. But putting that aside this video should be interesting.

Back to Friedman, once they accept it they have no choice but not to believe in other planets and life on some of them. What will Stanton Friedman believe in the end? Will he continue to live in a fary tail or will he accept the truth? Friedman has a lot at stake for he made a name for himself as a big advocate of UFOs; he has written many books on the subject in which he derives his income from. Will he give this all up and become a flat earth believer or will he stay a UFO believer with billions of planets travelling through space. Listen and find out.

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Earth is Flat and Stationary

Posted on January 3, 2016 by revealed4you

Happy New Year 2016. We pray that the news of the the flat earth will reach more people this year and with that, people learn that the God of the Bible is the source for all our faith. May people be led to Christ – who is the only one that can save us from our sins.

When spreading the flat earth news that you don’t stop there; that you tell them of Yahshua the Christ. We pray that you continue your journey of truth and share with others that we are to be ruled by God’s laws and not the ever-changing man-made laws that we have today. With that in mind, here is another flat earth video that I haven’t seen that I would like to share with you.

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Flat Earth and UFO Alien Deception

Posted on December 13, 2015 by revealed4you

Flat Earth and UFO Alien Deception

This continues where the last post left off.

 

 

 

 

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The New Age Agenda, UFOs and the Flat Earth

Posted on December 13, 2015 by revealed4you

New Age Philosophy, UFOs and Flat Earth

By Richlion

What does the New Age agenda, UFOs and the flat earth have to do with each others?

I shall attempt to “connect the dots” to the New Age, UFOs and the flat earth.

The New Age movement is not something that passed away in the 1980s but is very much with us today. Years ago it was decided (by whom, I don’t know) that the term “New Age” would be dropped because of the stigma it got. This stigma goes back to the 1970s with people taking pot, cocaine, free sex, and the life style that went with it. However, the trappings of the New Age is very much with us today. If you are into one of the many Eastern philosophies that are out there; if you are into some of the “alternative healing” practices; if you practice some of the mediations, listen to people like Deepak Chopra, and others who claim to improve your health. If you are into crystals therapy, Riki, the Law of Attraction, this is all basically the New Age repackaged.

Hold on and stay with me. I know that many of you think that I’m nuts. At one time I thought a person would be nuts if they told me what I just told you. I “thought” I knew about the New Age agenda and that what I was into was the truth and something different than what was going on in the flower-child age of smoking marijuana. Just give a few minutes to explain.

In the book, Inside New Age Nightmare by Randall Baer is a revealing book. This author was heavily into the above topics and more back in the 1980s. So, he is not a critic looking for something to criticise, but one who was in the inside and really believed in the leaders of this movement were saying. Finally, be became one himself.

Before I go on, you can get Inside New Age Nightmare by Clicking Here.

Back in the early 1980s, Santa Fe, New Mexico was the place to be for the “enlightenment” to take place. This is where the “enlighten” people were to gain “light bodies” and be “activated.” One of the “leaders” was called John and he said that part of the “Divine Plan.” John said he was beamed up and was greeted by the fleet commander. He was told that Project Beam-Down (also known as Project Second Genesis) was about to happen after several millennia of waiting. This, of course, never happened.

Randall Baer said that 75% of New Agers hold a completely unshakeable belief in the reality of UFOs. He said this is probably an understatement and that the figure is more like 85-95%.

Even big names got into this. John Denver made public the belief that he originated from a place called Lyra nebula. Shirley MacLaine, author of Out on a Limb, plays a major role in cosmic vision. Even today, believing that you’re from Orion, Sirius or Pleaides, among others, are very popular New Age beliefs among the New Agers.

When big entertainer names are involved, many people tend to believe what they say, and, in turn believe their false philosophy. UFOs play a big role in their involvement of deliverance of the world from its suffering and tribulation. The Aliens of the UFOs then will usher in the enlightened “One World Government” that is to take place.

We are told that the Aliens don’t get involved and cannot intervene directly until humanity is ready for their help. These extraterrestrials happen to have a philosophy the same as the New Age philosophy. In fact, if you are in the New Age movement and you don’t believe in UFOs, you are considered weird.

Again, I want to say that the words New Age is not used; you have to look at what the philosophies of the people who in the Law of Attraction, energy healing, or who are on the speaking circuit of the “enlightenment” is.

There have been many books written and recordings made of the so-called “transition” that mankind is going through; dates of our freedom from the troubles that face the world have been given; all of this have gone and went. No UFO contact, no angelic being appeared, nor will it happened as it’s all based on a satanic lie. Yet, people still hold on to the lies. When an excuse is given by a guru who wrote a book on the subject, gives some excuse of why it didn’t take place. And the sad thing is, people believe it; yet they are ready to have another go at it again; they queue up to buy the false prophet’s next book “of revelation.”

The reason why these earth-shaking events don’t take place is because it’s a big lie. For those who know about the flat earth also knows that there are no other planets out there; thus, there are no extraterrestrials who will deliver us. Once you realize this, ask yourself, what other lies have been told you by those who sell books and DVDs on UFOs. Just go to a “Health, Mind, Spirit” conference, look around and see the Tara Card readers, the psychics; see the people who sell books by those who promise you can have a ton of money by just visualising it and you’ll also find that the majority of them believe in extraterrestrials. You might even find people who believe that they have been reincarnated but actually came from another planet.

In other words these people are wrong in one major area (beliefs in extraterrestrial life), ask yourself what other areas are they wrong in. in order to do this, you should go to the Bible. After all, the Bible tells of a geocentric earth, so check out the rest of the book.

In the Bible we read many verses where we are told that the earth is fixed, it has foundations; that the sun moves around the earth; that the earth has ends to it (which a globe earth can’t have). Now, read the verses in the King James Bible where we are told that there will be false prophets, false Christs; that we are not to consult mediums, those who have contact with spirits. You can find some of these verses in Deuteronomy 18, II Chronicles, Titus.

If people were Christians or remember the verses in the Bible when they got involved in all this esoteric stuff, they would know that much of what we hear from these gurus is exactly what Satan said in the Garden of Eden, when he said you shall be like God. If you are in the esoteric movement you would have heard things like: “you are God, we are like gods, we can create out reality”. In short, they are saying that we don’t need a Saviour; that we can save ourselves. This is exactly what the great Deceiver said in the Garden of Eden.

In fact, you’ll hear these same old lies in some big churches in America today. This is what Christ warned us about – about the false prophets in the world. Televangelist, Ken Copeland said words to the effect: “God said we are the sons of God. So what does that make us? Gods. Dogs have little dogs, cats have cats, so God has gods.” This, of course, is taken completely out of context – and he knows it. Copeland also blasphemed God by saying: “I am that I am; likewise, too, I am the I am.” Taking what God said about himself and saying it about himself (Copland), too.

So, you don’t have to go to listen to some New Age guru in order to be lied to; church leaders use the exact same words. You can go to a mainline church and find this, too. Thus, you have to know your Bible and you have to know the church that you are attending. Since Satan is a great deceiver, he has influenced others to carry out his work. In the past century there has been many new versions of the Bible. The purpose of this is, to have a Bible that supports the lies that are said in churches. The Bible you should be reading – for English speaking people – is the 1611 King James Version. You can get a copy online for free if you don’t find it in book stores. (Beware, don’t buy the New KJV, as that is not the original KJV.) With that in mind, you will be on the right track in searching for the truth.

You want to learn about success, great relationships, good health? The Bible has the answers, you won’t find it in the material that are sold at conferences such as the “Health, Mind Spirit” ones.

You want to find out about happiness? You can go to do a search if you have a Bible software that allows you to do this. In fact, you can go to openbible.org and do a search there. Check out all the verses that relate to this, check this with your 1611 KJV to make sure of the verses, and you’ll have the answers for “happiness.”

The Flat Earth Connection

If you are already in the philosophies that goes with the New Age and you learn about the flat earth and if you come to accept it, you’ll have to reject the “Aliens will save us” mantra and belief. If you know about the flat earth then are exposed to the many teachings of the New Age philosophies, you’ll see the lies right away.

I had told some people I know who were heavy into the New Age garbage, and after the accepted the flat earth information, they had to reject some of their previous beliefs. Though they still have a ways to go, it’s only because they are so deep into it that it has become part of their identity. Demons have a great hold on you the more you buy into their lies; ask anyone who has been involved. The author of Inside the New Age Nightmare, Randall Baer, will tell you. If you have just started to read the books on the eastern philosophies, and realise it’s all a lie, the hold on you is not nearly as great as those who, have been in it for years (like my acquaintance).

If you have learned about the flat earth, your next step in research is to find out the other lies they have told us about the Bible. Studying about the flat earth, you’ll see in your research the many Bible reference to such. This, of course, should lead you to find out more about the Bible. After all, since the flat earth is a Bible truth, it only stands to reason that other major things that the government and educational system has told you is also a lie. You can discover, in part, what they are by simply reading the Bible; read it as it is, without caring “if it’s going to offend some religious group, without fear that it is not “politically correct,” ” and you’ll find out that you’ve been lied to in other areas as well.

Some Bible Verses

Some Bible verses to check out – in regards to contacting spirits – are:

Deuteronomy 18:9

Deuteronomy 12:29-31

Leviticus 18:26-27

II Thessalonian 2:9

Matthew 24:22

Matthew 24:24

2 Corinthians 11:14-15

I pray that this article has helped you. Do your own research and check out what I said is true; pray on it and ask Christ to lead you – and you will be lead to the truth!

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