Scientific Arugments for Geocentrism

THE BASIC SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENTS FOR GEOCENTRICITY

Malcolm Bowden

This subject generates far more heat than light in Christian circles. Invariably the reaction is emotional because Christians do not want to be tainted with the labels of “scientific ignoramus” and such like. I here set out the basic arguments that are given more fully in my “True Science Agrees with the Bible” – Appendix 10.

(1) BIBLICAL SUPPORT. There are many references to the sun “going down”, “arising” etc. NOT ONCE does the Bible ever refer to the earth rotating. Those who say that the Bible is only recording the “appearance” of the movement of the sun–

(a) are having to ADD to the most obvious meaning of the understanding of the Bible passage and

(b) are adopting the same position as liberal critics who have tried to destroy the Bible by saying that many of the sayings of Christ were “adapted to the simple understanding and low education of His hearers” and that we are more educated today to correct what he said – or such like. The Bible is true in its normal sensible understanding of its statements. We say sensible because we do not literally interpret what are clearly allegories and metaphors – this is usually used by critics to ridicule Bible believers.

(2) THE SEQUENCE OF CREATION. There is a major Biblical problem facing Christian heliocentrists. The sun is not referred to until Day 4. Most contend that it was created on Day 1 but only became visible on Day 4 so that they can have the earth going round the sun from the very first day of its creation. The problem is that the same word is used for the creation of the sun as for other material or animals in Genesis 1. “Bara” and “Asah” are both used for creation and there is no distinction between creation from nothing and creation from previous created material. Both words are used of Man’s creation. To say that the sun had already been created before day 4 is to twist the scriptures beyond acceptability in this one specific case to save the heliocentric position – and Hebrew scholars agree. If this interpretation is used in this one instance, why is it not used for all the other verses in Genesis. It would make nonsense of the whole record of events.

So the Hebrew insists that the sun was created on Day 4. How then did the earth rotate around a non-existent sun for three days? And when the sun was created on Day 4, did God give the earth a jolt and send it on its circular route around the sun? Surely the most obvious explanation is that the earth was created FIRST of all the universe – as the Bible says – and the universe rotated around it – with all the planets created later on Day 4. How this could take place scientifically we examine below.

(3) SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS. Most scientists know about the Michelson-Morely experiment – that failed to detect any movement of the earth round the sun. This had to be overcome so the Fitzgerald-Lorentz shortening of the apparatus was proposed, and eventually the paradoxical Relativity Theory was invented by Einstein to overcome this problem. However, there are three other experiments that have been deliberately ignored by universities because they support geocentricity –

(a) The Michelson-Gale experiment (Reference – Astrophysical Journal 1925 v 61 pp 140-5 – I forgot to put this reference in my book!) This detected the aether passing the surface of the earth with an accuracy of 2% of the speed of the daily rotation of the earth! Thus, the Michelson-Morely experiment detected no movement of the earth around the sun, yet the Michelson-Gale experiment measured the earth’s rotation (or the aether’s rotation around the earth!) to within 2%! This surely speaks volumes for geocentricity.

(b) “Airey’s failure” (Reference – Proc. Roy. Soc. London v 20 p 35). Telescopes have to be very slightly tilted to get the starlight going down the axis of the tube because of the earth’s “speed around the sun”. Airey filled a telescope with water that greatly slowed down the speed of the light inside the telescope and found that he did not have to change the angle of the telescope. This showed that the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so that no change was needed. This demonstrated that it was the stars moving relative to a stationary earth and not the fast orbiting earth moving relative to the comparatively stationary stars. If it was the telescope moving he would have had to change the angle.

(c) The Sagnac experiment (Reference – Comptes Rendus 1913 v157 p 708-710 and 1410-3) Sagnac rotated a table complete with light and mirrors with the light being passed in opposite directions around the table between the mirrors. He detected the movement of the table by the movement of the interference fringes on the target where they were recombined. This proved that there IS an aether that the light has to pass through and this completely destroys Einstein’s theory of Relativity that says there is no aether. It is for this reason that this experiment is completely ignored by scientists. More recently Kantor has found the same result with similar apparatus.

All these experiments are never taught at universities, so consequently, scientists, including most Christian creationists, are ignorant of this evidence for geocentricity. Is it any wonder, therefore, that Christian geocentrists find their most vociferous opponents are fellow Christian creationists to whom geocentricity comes as a shock. They do not want to be tarred with such a heretical brush that will only increase the great ridicule they are already receiving for their stance against evolution?

THE ROTATION OF THE UNIVERSE

How can the universe rotate so rapidly without disintegrating? There is growing evidence that the aether has “Planck density” – it is extremely dense and the sun and planets are like corks in very dense water comparatively. This whole universe sweeps round the earth because otherwise it would collapse in on itself due to its density. The mechanics of this system forces the other planets etc. to describe ellipses in their orbit around the sun. Ernst Mach proposed that it is the weight of the stars circling the earth that drags Foucault pendulums around, creates Coriolis forces in the air that give the cyclones to our weather etc. Barbour and Bertotti (Il Nuovo Cimento 32B(1):1-27, 11 March 1977) proved that a hollow sphere (the universe) rotating around a solid sphere inside (the earth) produced exactly the same results of Coriolis forces, dragging of Foucault pendulums etc. that are put forward as “proofs” of heliocentricity! This paper gives several other confirmations of the superiority of the geocentric model.

Thus, there is evidence that the earth is NOT moving around the sun, but either the aether is moving around the earth carrying the planets with it, or the earth is spinning on its axis. The most likely model is that the aether is rotating around the earth as calculations show that if it did not, it would rapidly collapse upon itself. [OUR NOTE: THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT MENTION THE FIRMAMENT. GOD SET THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS IN THE FIRMAMENT OF THE HEAVEN. THE FIRMAMENT IS A DIVIDER OF WATERS (SEE DAY TWO IN GENESIS CHAPTER 1). IT IS FIRM. THE AETHER MR. BOWDEN DESCRIBES MAY ACTUALLY BE THE FIRMAMENT.]

Malcolm Bowden.

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Note: I haven’t read Mr. Bowden’s book [may be here–http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/b4trusc3.htm%5D, but Chris has this to say:

This book is really good and goes into things that we are not normally told. For example the theory of relativity was promoted partly because of the inability of experiments to prove that the earth moved. Bowden also notes that to hold a geocentric position is to open oneself up to abuse even from creationists who will think that you are discrediting the whole argument.

The other thing that he discusses which is fascinating is the idea that the speed of light may not be a constant, but may have slowed down over the last 6000 years or so since creation which would explain a lot of the facts that scientists throw our way.

The following is the e-mail I sent out to my e-mail list. After the responses to this e-mail I came up with a new title for myself, “A fool for Christ’s sake”. I’ll be a fool for truth’s sake. As Isaiah says, truth is fallen in the street. I won’t pass it by, I’ll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

The following is just a brief portion of an old email–

[Reminder: this list is for Bible-believing Christians.]

Dear Friends:

Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

A brother recently wrote asking me about geocentricity. I just learned about it myself last year…

***What is geocentricity?***

Simply put, geocentricity says the earth is the center of the universe, not the sun. The sun revolves around the earth, not the earth around the sun. I know that you did not learn this in public school, but this is what the Bible teaches. [Do you believe the Bible, all of it?] Please read on.

***What do you know about this, Tracy?***

I learned about geocentricity last year at the King James Bible conference. Dr. Gerardus Bouw, a [professed] Bible-believing astronomer [I later read his comments spoken at a Catholic conference where he said that the Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Version of the Bible and the Authorized King James Bible were on the same level] told us attendees all about it. I’m going to break it down for you the way Dr. Bouw broke it down for us… [end of excerpt]

***Dear Reader, do you believe EVERYTHING the Bible says?

Assuming the answer to this question is yes, let me ask you some questions from some scriptures–

1. In Joshua 10:13, the children of Israel are avenging themselves on their enemies. The Bible says that THE SUN STOOD STILL and hasted not to GO DOWN about a whole day.

Friends, according to the science text books (including the so-called “Christian” ones, the sun does NOT go down, the earth turns. The Bible says that the sun goes down. Man says the sun does not go down. So now what? What do you believe in? IN YOUR OWN BRAIN, WHICH ONE DO YOU BELIEVE–THE BIBLE OR MAN? NEXT, A YES OR NO QUESTION–DOES THE SUN CIRCUIT THE EARTH, YES OR NO?

2. Isaiah 38:8 says THE SUN RETURNED ten degrees by which degrees it was GONE DOWN.

In this case, did the sun really GO BACK ten degrees or was the shadow on the sun dial just an optical illusion?

3. This one is a showstopper. It comes from Malachi 4 the last chapter of the Old Testament. It would be about 400 years before God spoke to Israel through John the Baptist. Malachi 4:2

“But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE with healing in his wings…”

Look at this again. Notice how “Sun” has a capital “S”. This obviously refers to the Lord Jesus Christ. HE DID ARISE with healing in his wings. Notice how it does not say “Son”, it says, “Sun”. If the “sun” DOES NOT rise, does this mean that THE SON did not rise? HE DID RISE AND SO DOES SUN. IT IS NO ILLUSION. IT IS EXACTLY ACCORDING TO WHAT YOUR OWN EYEBALLS SEE EVERYDAY YOU LOOK OUTSIDE.

***What does all this mean?***

It means that once again we’ve been lied to. Ever heard of the “Copernican revolution?” Copernicus is the guy who came up with the “heliocentric” model that we use today–the idea that the earth revolves around the sun.

There is a lot of interesting information concerned with the false science associated with the heliocentric model. But it will have to be reserved for another time, Lord willing.

In the mean time you can check out http://www.biblicalastronomer.org. Dr. Bouw who uses a modified Tychonic model to explain how the solar system works.

Just like with evolution, there are many things that cannot be explained with the heliocentric model. I’ll warn you that this area of astronomy can get quite technical and mathematical. I’m no expert…

I recently heard someone say, “Science blew away western religion.” [When people say things like this they are oftentimes talking about heliocentricism and evolution.] This is how many look at the Copernican revolution false science with it’s heliocentric model (not to mention Darwinian evolution). This is how the Encyclopedia Americana looks at it too (emphases ours)–

“This sharp separation between heaven and earth was basic in the view of the universe that was accepted by Copernicus’ contemporaries. Copernicus comprehended the TRUE nature of the earth. He fully understood that it is a planet revolving about the sun, in the company of other planets. Therefore, like its fellow planets, it too is a heavenly body. Since the earth itself is in the heavens, the contrast between heaven and earth VANISHED, being REPLACED BY THE MODERN CONCEPT OF SPACE.”

What does Genesis 1:1 say? In the beginning God created the HEAVEN AND THE EARTH. The encyclopedia says this distinction VANISHED with Copernicus. See what I mean?

The Encyclopedia Americana goes on to say in no uncertain terms that geocentric model was an error. In other words, the Bible is in error. They are the ones in error because they are lying against the Bible. [Note: THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH ALSO SHOWS THAT HEIGHT AND DEPTH ARE A CREATED THING WHICH CAN BE FURTHER SEEN IN THE SCRIPTURES WHERE THEY SAY THINGS LIKE HEAVEN FOR HEIGHT AND EARTH FOR DEPTH.]

My friends, I know this is a radical concept but don’t believe everything science tells you. They make a liar out of God! With the Copernican revolution all of a sudden not only did the Bible lose its authority in science but in morals and other areas as well. It was, and is, looked upon as unreliable.

I am looking at a magazine ad right now (a free magazine from the grocery store with recipes). It has on it, a picture of the solar system with the caption, “The Geocentric System” (earth at the center). It says,

“Five hundred years ago, the sun was thought to revolve around the earth. People DID NOT KNOW then what we know now. Truths change.”

No they don’t. TRUTH NEVER CHANGES. Truth is absolute. God knew exactly what he was saying when he told us the sun arises and goes down, he made it. This ad was by the Office of National Drug Control Policy. In this ad, they say [ that God’s word is the product of ignorant men–that is a lie. People who believe their lies are the ones that are ignorant]. The Lord gave me this ad maybe one or two days after that brother asked me about geocentricity.

There was a gentleman named Sir Fred Hoyle. He was knighted for his cosmological and astronomical prowess. He said this–

“We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has NO physical significance.”

The geocentric model is not unscientific, it is correct. Unsurprisingly, [it] explains many of the phenomena that heliocentricists can’t figure out.

Here are dozens of verses that say that the sun moves. Do you [really] believe the Bible?

Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was GOING DOWN… 15:17 …the sun WENT DOWN… 19:23 The sun was RISEN UPON THE EARTH… 28:11 …the sun was SET… 32:31 …the sun ROSE upon him

Exodus 22:3 If the sun be RISEN upon him… 22:26 …the sun goeth DOWN:

Leviticus 22:7 And when the sun is DOWN…

Numbers 2:3 And on the east side toward the RISING of the sun

Deuteronomy 11:30 …by the way where the sun goeth DOWN 23:11 …when the sun is DOWN… 24:13 …when the sun GOETH DOWN… 24:15 At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go DOWN upon it…

Joshua 8:29 …as soon as the sun was DOWN… 10:13 And the sun STOOD STILL, and the moon stayed…So the sun STOOD STILL in the midst of heaven, and HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN about a whole day.

Judges 5:31 …but let them that love him be as the sun when he GOETH FORTH in his might. 8:13 And Gideon the son of Joash returned from battle before the sun was UP, 9:33 And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is UP.. 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun WENT DOWN… 19:14 …the sun went down upon them

2 Samuel 2:24 …the sun WENT DOWN… 3:35 …till the sun be DOWN. 23:4 …when the SUN RISETH…

2 Chronicles 18:34 the time of the sun GOING DOWN he died.

Psalms 50:1 …RISING of the sun unto the GOING DOWN thereof. 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his GOING DOWN. 104:22 The sun ARISETH… 113:3 From the RISING of the sun unto THE GOING DOWN of the same the LORD’s name is to be praised.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ARISETH, and the sun GOETH DOWN, and HASTETH to his place where he AROSE.

Isaiah 38:8 …So the sun RETURNED ten degrees, by which degrees it was GONE DOWN. 41:25 from the RISING of the sun 60:20 Thy sun shall no more GO DOWN; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself…

Jeremiah 15:9 her sun is GONE DOWN…

Daniel 6:14 …he laboured till the GOING DOWN of the sun to deliver him.

Amos 8:9 I will cause the sun TO GO DOWN at noon…

Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did ARISE…

Micah 3:6 the sun shall GO DOWN over the prophets…

Nahum 3:17 …when the sun ARISETH…

Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation…

Malachi 1:11 For from the RISING of the sun even unto the GOING DOWN of the same 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness ARISE

Matthew 5:45 …he maketh his sun to RISE…

Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did SET…

Luke 4:40 Now when the sun was SETTING…

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun GO DOWN upon your wrath:

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner RISEN…

***Conclusion***

Dear friend, pray about it. Question EVERYTHING the wicked world tells you.

for Jesus’ sake,

[Tracy]

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…I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 2:4, 6

Source: jesus-is-lord.com

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Angels as Stars

 

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Did This Rocket Hit The Firmament?

Did This Rocket Hit The Firmament?

 

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Is This Balloon Scrapping The Firmament?

Is This Balloon Scrapping The Firmament?

 

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Spinning Ball of Water in Slow Motion

Flat Earth Experiment

Putting water on a spinning ball and filming it at high speed to see what it looks like.   This is what happens when the ball is spun by hand (a couple of miles per hour at the most). Now, tell your friend what it would be if it was at 1,000 mph. Gravity or no gravity no way can water stay in a spinning ball at 1,000 mph!

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Jesuits and the Flat Earth Cover Up

Here is a good article that I found online today. It’s about the Jesuits and how they kept the flat earth information from the public. It’s a long and well researched article.

This essay is an attempt to lay the groundwork to show primary and circumstantial evidence that the Society of Jesuits (Jesus), founded by Ignatius Loyola in 1540, have been highly instrumental in the creating and perpetuating the Great 500 year Lie that the Earth is a round ball sphere rotating around a central Sun held in orbit by gravity.

Below you will find that the Jesuits and the Vatican have been the intimately and deeply involved in all things space, including owning the earliest telescopes and to this day, the largest owners of observatories and telescopes in the world today.

From Copernicus’ dedication to “On the Revolutions” to Pope Paul III to Galileo Galili who was feted Rome, honoured by the Jesuits of the Roman College and received by Pope Paul V to Isaac Newton who conspired with Jesuits at Lige in England to Albert Einstein who yielded, the publicly praised, the Big Bang Theory Story created by his colleague, Jesuit Priest, Georges Lamaitre, the Society of Jesuits have been intimately involved with both the spreading of heliocentric theory and the burying of 5,000 years of Flat Earth Cosmology.

The Jesuits are rulers of all powers that we are aware of and are ruthless in their pursuit of world domination for centuries, no matter who is killed or what has to be done to maintain and establish world order out of chaos.

Read the whole article by Clicking Here:

(Link no longer working – not surprising.)

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Paul Harvey and Freedom

Paul Harvey On Freedom

It’s true today as it was back in 1965.

 

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Christians Who Are Wilfully Ignorant About the Flat Earth

Christians Who Are Wilfully Ignorant About the Flat Earth

There are Christians who are wilfully ignorant about the flat earth. Why is this? I can think of several reasons.

  • They are afraid of what others will think
  • They are mentally lazy and don’t want to do the work
  • They don’t think it’s important for whatever reason
  • They have another agenda – in short they are really not a Christian to begin with

I hope you are not one of the above. I understand if you don’t believe in the flat earth or if you never heard of the arguments about it. If the latter is the case, there is plenty of information right here for you to read and to consider.

This article will focus on those who do know that the earth is flat and what to watch out for for those who are not honest with themselves. If you are not convinced that the earth is flat – all well and good – as this article will be very helpful when you are dealing with others. By using the guideline below, you’ll know if the speaker is telling you the truth – not only on the flat earth topic but on ANY topic – biblical or secular. For, there are certain behaviors dishonest people are engaged in when they don’t want you to learn the truth. Knowing what they are, knowing what questions to ask and comments to make will keeping you from falling for a lie.

  • This article will focus on the flat earth but keep in mind it can be applied to any topic.
  • The person who is not honest about the flat earth will:
  • not want you to read flat earth material
  • not answer difficult questions
  • engage in name calling
  • argue on a minor topic
  • will fret of the detail and ignore the main points
  • need the answer to 100 questions when answering a couple of them will prove the point
  • cut someone off in their talk
  • insult you or insinuate that you are “stupid”
  • become hostel when you don’t agree
  • diverts the question or make light of it and moves on
  • does not back up what he says with facts

I have seen a couple of these traits come up by a Christian who slams flat earth believers. Though this man knows his Bible in many other areas he is, in my opinion, wilfully ignorant when it come to the flat earth.

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Attraction is a Myth

Attraction Is A Myth

From Earth Not a Globe Review, January 1895

By “ Zetetes”

The attraction of gravitation a myth ? Y e s ! a fabulous story, with

no foundation in fact, though having an APPARENT support in some

terrestrial phenomena. Many people imagine that gravitation is a word

representing some discovered fact or force in N atu re ; but let them

proceed to show us what fact or force, and they will discover their

mistake. Gravitation was an invention, not a discovery; and a supposition

necessitated by another hypothesis, viz .; the globular theory. One

was invented to support the other. Without gravitation the globular

theory falls ; and without the globular theory what would become of

gravitation ? I t would become less and lighter than our little molecule

of hydrogen, and fly away into unknown and uncivilized regions.

“ Parallax” proved the globular theory false, by the F A C T that the

surface of water is horizontal; and “ Zetetes,” the investigator after

Truth, practically proves, that the theory of gravitation is utterly false,

by a little molecule of hydrogen gas ! No one can even tell us what

gravitation is, or how it acts. Now, although we may not know what

electricity is, or magnetism ; we do know how they act. As I showed

in No. 2 Earth Review, Newton did not know how gravitation acts, or

whether it really be attraction, or repulsion ; that is, he did not know

whether there is such a thing as attraction or not. Where Newton

failed to guess, what other mathematician dare try ? I f the inventor did

not know, who amongst his pupils can tell ? But they should first prove

that gravitation does act before they attempt to explain how it acts.

The magnet is no proof of gravitation. Its power is selective and

limited. It seems to attract steel and soft iron, but it will not draw

stones and wood ! Gravitation is supposed to attract all bodies, even

the stars. They are all supposed to be pulling hard at one another, yet

they never get any nearer together. It is strange ! But does the magnet

really attract steel ? The iron or steel goes towards the magnet, but is

its motion caused by the attraction or the repulsion of some force ? It

may be carried by a magnetic current, not drawn by the magnet itself.

Newton confessed that the idea of bodies acting “ upon one another at

a distance,” and “ without the mediation o f anything else by and through

which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other,”

is “ so great an absurdity, that,” says he, “ I believe no man, who has in

philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into

it.” Yet many do fall into this error. They are not Zetetics. I stand

on a bridge and I watch a log of wood coming down the stream towards

the bridge. Is the bridge attracting the log from a distance ? Yes, as

much as ever the magnet attracts the soft iron ! I f there were a weir by

the bridge, the log would remain by it, as the iron remains attached to

the magnet. I f not, and if the arch under the bridge be sufficiently

wide, the log would pass under and follow the stream. Then the bridge

would seem to be repelling the log, like one “ pole ” of the magnet will

repel the magnetic needle. Ye t by such flimsy arguments and pre

texts is the theory of attraction supported. No man in the world can

define gravitation, nor tell how it acts ; it is a tissue of philosophical

speculations and falsehoods, unworthy of honest men and thinker’s,

perhaps the most ingenious theory of gravitation ever proposed is that

of Le Sage. He “ imagines,” says Mr, J. E. Gore,

“ An infinite number of ultra mundane corpuscles of excessive minuteness, speeding

through space in all directions, and with enormous velocities. Two bodies in this

ocean of flying corpuscles screen each other from the molecular bombardment, and

would consequently move together with a force varying inversely as the square of the

distance.”

Upon which Professor Tait remarks:

“ It is necessary also to suppose that the particles and masses of matter have a cagelike

form, so that enormously more corpuscles pass through them than impinge upon

them ; else the gravitation action between two bodies would not be as the product of

their masses.”

Well might Sir John Herschel say:

“ The hypothesis of Le Sage, which assumes that every point of space is penetrated

at every instant of time by material particles sui gene7-is, moving in right lines in

every possible direction, and impinging upon the material atoms of bodies, as a

mode of accounting for gravitation, is too grotesque to need serious consideration! ”

“ Too grotesque to need serious consideration!” One of the

theories of gravitation “ grotesque ! ” And a clever astronomer says so,

not an humble zetetic! An humble zetetic agrees with him though.

What then must the poorer theories be ? Readers, take your choice

between common sense and reason, theories “too grotesque to need serious

consideration.”

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Flat Earth Firmament

Flat Earth Firmament

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