How Much Proof Is Needed?
If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. ” – I John 2:15 -17
Yes, in the beginning, in Genesis, we read that God created the world and it was good. We must think back to when He said it – it was before all the evil and violence that occurred. Not only do we have wickedness among the people but certain wealthy people have corrupted what God created. Such things as damaging and even changing our DNA. They have poisoned the water we drink, the food we eat, the soil and air they have polluted.
When you talk to those who are not Christian, they love the world, meaning, they love the world political and economic system. Most of the wealthy are very materialistic, that they think nothing of starting a war in order to rape other nations of their natural resources, or to get them trapped in the ungodly usury system and get them tied into the world banking system. This, in short, impoverishes the people and makes certain people extremely rich. Yes, they love the world and all that is in it. As Christian people who know their Identity, we do not love this world system.
If you look up the Greek word for “world” here it means, “cosmos” or “world order.” This is what we are against, are we not? We are against just about everything that this “world order,” or “New World Order” is pushing. So, don’t think I mean being against the Earth and all of God’s beautiful creation.
That doesn’t mean that Christians should not like nice things and have a better standard of living, it’s that we are not to love the Beast System that we have in place.
It’s plane to see that loving the things in the world order is contrary to God. Yet, the Edomites are pushing people to be materialistic. Just look at Madonna and her song, Material Girl – making being materialistic look cool. The antichirsts uses technology to push their system; they know how music and films can be used to make people think “it’s the cool thing to do.” They know psychological programs and triggers work to get you to join the crowed; to make you feel as an odd ball if they don’t join your friends; that if you are different, you are a racist and Nazi. Maybe it is this group of people, along with others, that they fear most, so that is why those use such labels. Check out what the opposition really believes and don’t let the enemy tell you what they believe; when you do this, you’ll find the opposite is true.
Think of the world system (cosmos). Do you love:
Do you like this? Of course not! Then you should be against the world – the world system. For any Christian who really loves God and His Laws, it’s quite easy to be against the “New World Order,” as they call it. There really is nothing “new” about this; it’s an age-old system used by the enemies of ancient Israel, some of whom were the Canaanite and Edomites (whose descendants are with us today).
Do we not stand opposite of globe earth believers? Are we not opposite of Evolutionists? This is all part of loving the world. We love the world as Yahweh, God, created it and not what has become now.
Another Memorial Day has come and gone with the usual, heartfelt “remembrance” for those who have suffered and died “for our great country.” It is the obligatory test of patriotism to pay tribute to “the fallen heroes” who made the sacrifices so we could have “our freedom.” Platitudes abound as ceremonies commence “to honor those who gave their live in service to their country.” But like so many areas of life in America, such staged events paste over the truth about all the wars and other unlawful military adventures and occupations “to fight the war on terrorism.”
But before I go on, and least I be tarred and feathered as un-American, let me say that I am an ardent patriot. My ancestors came to America in the early 1600s. My roots go back a long time ago, so my patriotism extends back to the early fathers of this nation who helped form this nation.
A true patriot is one who cares enough to remain loyal and yet tell the truth about all those so-called “righteous” wars and other military conflicts. To read more, Click Here.
“When we consider that the advocates of the earth’s stationary and central position can account for, and explain the celestial phenomena as accurately, to their own thinking, as we can ours, in addition to which they have the evidence of their sense, and scripture, and facts in their favour, which we have not; it is not without a shew of reason that they maintain the superiority of their system. However perfect our theory may appear in our estimation, and however simple (?) and satisfactorily the Newtonian hypothesis may seem to us to account for all the celestial phenomena, yet we are here compelled to admit the astounding truth that, if our premises be disputed, and our facts challenged, the whole range of Astronomy does not contain the proofs of its own accuracy.”
Dr. Woodhouse, professor Astronomy at Cambridge.
“The whole of Astronomical science, so far as the stellar universe is concerned, is founded upon a false basis. This arises from the fact that the construction of the heavens in respect to the apparent arrangement of the stars in space is always erroneous, ad yet necessarily all astronomy is founded upon this suppositious situation of the stars.”
The English Mechanic, Jan. 4th, 1889
“Whoever considers aright will acknowledge, that, next to the Word of God, the most certain cure of superstition, and the best aliment of faith, is the knowledge of Nature.”
“The defence of the sacred Scriptures is today the great talk of the Christian apologist, and most of the attacks that are made upon the Bible are based upon scientific theories of some kind or other. But the Christian has nothing to do with defending the sacred Scriptures. ‘The Word of God is quick (living) and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart,’ Heb 4:12 It is fully able to defend itself; what the Christian wants is the sacred Scriptures as a defence for him.
“To those who dwell in the secret place of the Most High, the promise is, His truth shall be they shield and buckler. Those who profess the religion of Christ need such an acquaintance with the sacred Scriptures, that they will not be alarmed least that Rock should be overturned by idle ‘scientific’ theories.”
The Catholic World
For those who missed the flat earth conference, here is a 30 minute clip of that meeting. The speaker comes on after about a minute from when the video starts. Click Here.
When reading old flat earth booklets, you often come across a person named Lady Blount. So, who was this person? We read from wiki.tfes.org:
Sometimes known as Zeteo, Lady Elizabeth Anne Mould Blount was a vocal advocate of Flat Earth theory in late 19th and early 20th Centuries and one of the founders of the Universal Zetetic Society. She worked extensively with Albert Smith (‘Zetetes’) to propound their Flat Earth viewpoint. Lady Blount was a devout Christian and her writings used a mix of scriptural and experimental arguments to support her views. Blount’s wealth and social status allowed her access to England’s social elite. Her Universal Zetetic Society’s first membership roster includes an archbishop, major-general, scholars and a number of other aristocrats. By practically all accounts, Lady Blount was likable and good-natured, balancing out some of the more contentious members of the Flat Earth movement at the time.
In addition to her work with the Universal Zetetic Society, she was also poet, songwriter and wrote pamphlets on a wide variety of subjects. Blount was a progressive thinker and humanitarian. She was a vegetarian and – like Marjory Johnson – an anti-vivisectionist, often using the Earth Not A Globe Review to “cover these subjects in flowing prose and verse, alongside references to her work as president of the Society for the Protection of the Dark Races”.
In 1898, Lady Blount published a novel titled Adrian Galilio, or a Song Writer’s Story, a fantastical story about an aristocrat who escapes her unhappy marriage and reinvents herself as a world-famous Flat Earth proponent who “tours Europe giving elaborate lectures on cosmology, the creation, true love and hell”.
The confessions of the Church of Rome, when confronting the then Astronomical innovator, Galileo, who recanted and publicly confessed that his doctrine of the earth’s motion was false:
I The proposition that the Sun “is the centre of the World and immovable from its place, is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to the Holy Scriptures.
II The proposition that the Earth is not the centre of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is also absurd, philosophically false, and theologically considered, equally erroneous in faith.
And so we say, pronounce and by our sentence declare, degree, and reserve, in this and in every other better form and manner, which lawfully we may and can use. So We, the subscribing Cardinals pronounce.”
This 26th day of February, 1616.
(Subscribed by Seven Cardinals)
We are often advised by well-meaning Christians, who are ignorant of the bearings of our contentions, to allow the subject of the plane flat earth and to “drop it.” They content that just proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Here is what what one person wrote:
“You believe the earth is flat and stands still. I may give it a passing notice. I am surprised to find a man of so much intelligence and learning should persist in such notions. It is not a clear fact that we can determine the approximate size of the globe. And if you go in a straight line in any direction you will come to the place from which you started, and how do you account for the Seasons, and the differences in the length of days at different Seasons, and the tidal motions, etc? I think you would be better engaged in helping to swell the world-wide cry of the Gospel. Don’t you think so?”
You may have experienced something like this. You might have heard, “What difference does it make?”
In answer to the last question we say decidedly, “No!” Not at the expense of leaving off teaching the plain truth. It is undeniable that the Holy Scriptures teach that the earth is stationary; that it rests on “foundations” and “pillars”; and that it is “established so fast that it cannot be moved.” We, therefore contend that if, as some of our Christians friends would have us believe, the Bible is not true in its material teachings respecting the Universe, it is not reliable in its promises of spiritual blessings. In fact these very same Christians would be confronted by atheists that would say, “Since you believe in a spinning globe earth, when your Bible says that it’s stationary and on pillars, how can you believe in Jesus Christ? How can you believe in the rest of the Bible?” To which, the average Judeao-Christian would either have to do some back-tracking, or their own faith would come into doubt.
But we maintain that the Bible is true; true to fact and to every day observation; and that the earth does not move. We have a right to ask for one proof, and we only ask for one, of the earth’s supposed terrible motions? It appears stationary. It fells stationary. Then why should we give up the evidence of our God-given senses for the sake of a mere astronomical and unsupported assumption?
There is much more behind this question of the shape of the earth than our good natured but illogical advisers are aware of. If we are credited, we are by those who know us, with at least an average share of common sense, and a little more than the average amount of intelligence and learning, how is it that our advisers – who for the most part never really studied the question – how is it they cannot credit us with understanding this subject, which we have studied, and with understanding its importance as supplying a good foundation for our confidence in the sure Word of God? We maintain that if the Bible is not true respecting the material Creation, it is not reliable in its promises of Salvation; and that it is perfectly useless to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to men who have lost their faith in the inspiration, or truthfulness of the World of God. It is, moreover, a great pity when Christian friends unite with sceptical foes in support of a godless science, falsely called “science,” (as the Apostle Paul wrote), which strikes at the very foundation of the truth of the Creator’s Word. They incur a grave responsibility in so doing. Let them take heed.
In answer to our correspondent’s questions, we say, it is not “a clear fact that we can determine the approximate size of the globe.” It is not a clear fact that the earth is a globe at all! Let proof be offered. And again, it is not possible “to go in a straight line in any direction, and come back to the place of staring.” Any “straight line” is an impossibility on a spherical surface. But apart from this self-evident fact, no one has ever travelled on voyaged due North, or due South, and come back to the same place again. The great ice barriers would prevent this. Yet our correspondent thoughtlessly says, “in any direction”! Men can go round the world in an easterly or a westerly direction; but this is also possible on a plane. Hence it is no proof of the earth’s sphericity. But our opponents do not seem to be able to discriminate in these things. It is the faulty, doubtless, of our system of “education,” which crams young minds with other men’s ideas, instead of teaching them to think for themselves, and to think cautiously and accurately.
Let us hope that Christian Flat Earth Ministry will help, at least, to raise enquiry, and so teach men to think for themselves; and not to leave all their thinking to professional and interested preachers of “science”. Let us hope that all lovers of truth – natural truth or spiritual – and all lovers of original ideas, possessing true freedom of thought, will rally round us, and help us on towards a world-wide circulation of the truth in all its forms.
2 There are also passages showing that the waters surrounding the earth have their bounds on the great southern circumference. Job 26:10 “He has compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.” In margin, “until the end of light with darkness.” In the R.V. It is, “He hath described a boundary on the face of the waters, unto the confines of light and darkness.” Job 38:8-11, “Who shut up the sea with doors when it brake forth. When I made the cloud, the garment thereof and thick darkness a swaddling band for it. And prescribed for it my decree (or boundary) and set bars and doors, and said, hitherto shalt thou come, but no farther, and here shall they proud waves be stayed.” And far out there on the southern circumference, are solid and impassable ramparts of ice, barriers – cliffs of ice – forbidding the further progress of daring navigators. It was so with Captain Wilks and Jas. C. Ross. Well, you ask: Do the Scriptures mention these solid walls and barriers of ice out there on the southern circumference? Yes, they do. Job 38:30, “The face of the deep is frozen.” The daring navigators on the southern seas, who have told us of the solid walls of ice – the barriers and cliffs of ice – disclose to us the meaning, the sublime meaning of such passages as Job 38:30; Ps. 33:7.
The earth and ocean together constitute an immense circular plane, according to the other “book” of God, Nature. There are phenomenal proofs that the earth is not a globe, with north and south poles, but that the earth is a plane, having the central region for its north, and, the southern circumference for its south.
Long periods of light and darkness, regularly alternating is a phenomenal peculiarity of the north, but not of the south, and proves that the north is the central region, and the south is the circumference.
During the summer solstice, the northern or central region of the earth is illuminated for several months together, during those months it is a long day without a night. This is a phenomenal characteristic of the north. This being the central region, the diameter of the sun’s orbit in June is much smaller than that of its December or winter solstice, its speed is not so great or rapid as it is in December when on its outer path, or orbit on the Tropic of Capricorn, consequently its rays continue over the northern centre for several months. But in the south this is not the case, though it would be if the earth were a planet. In the south, on the contrary, the day closes abruptly in summer, they have little or no twilight. In the south seas beyond the 50th parallel, the sun will be shinning brightly, and, in a very short time, the sailor who happens to be aloft, will be in pitch darkness. The sun seems to drop below the sea. At Auckland, New Zealand, there is little or no twilight. At Nelson, it is light till about 8 o’clock, then in a few minutes it becomes too dark to see anything, and the change comes over in almost no time. Twilight lasts but a short time in so low a latitude as 28 degrees south, according to Capitan Basil Hall, so that from 28 degrees south, to beyond 50 degrees south, there is little or no twilight. But, in the corresponding latitudes north, the twilight continues for hours after visible sunset. In the north at midsummer, for many nights in succession, the sky is scarcely darkened.
The difference between north and south with regard to organic life, vegetable and animal, show that the earth and ocean is a circular plane. The long periods of sunlight in the north, develop with great rapidity numerous forms of vegetable life, and furnished subsistence for multitudes of living creatures. But in the south, where the region is circumferential (not central as in the north, the sunlight cannot linger, but sweeps quickly over the greater southern circle, completing it in the same time as the shorter circle of the north, viz., 24 hours, and so has not time to excite the surface, has not time to aid and stimulate animal and vegetable life to the same extent as in the north, consequently in comparatively low southern latitudes, everything wears an aspect of desolation.
The South Georgia’s latitude 54 and 55 degrees in the very height of summer, is covered deeply with frozen snow; but in the farthest north, nature is adorned with summer beauty; flowers and grasses bloom during a brief and rapid summer. Kerguelen, 49 degrees south, boasts 18 species of plants, only one being useful in cases of scurvy, it is a peculiar kind of cabbage; but Iceland, 65 degrees north, 15 degress nearer the pole in the north, boasts 870 species. Kerguelen’s land, or, Desolation island, was discovered in 1772 by M. de Kerguelen, a French Navigator. Here December corresponds to our June. According to Captain Morrell Kerguelen is situated in the latitude 48 degrees, 40” south, longitude 69 degrees 6” east. Many of the hills on this island, though of moderate height, were covered with snow, notwithstanding that the season was midsummer. January corresponding to our July. There is not the appearance of a tree or shrub on the whole island. Captain Morrell, 1822 to 1831, in latitude 62 degrees 27”, longitude 94 degrees 11” east, met with extensive fields of ice, one of which would have measure 150 miles, east and west.
The bones of musk oxen, killed by Eskimos, were found on the 79th parallel north, while in the south, man is not found above the 56the parallel of latitude.
These differences between north and south could not exist, if the earth were not a globe, turning upon axis and moving in an orbit round the sun. the latitudes corresponding north and south, would have the same degree of light and heat and the same general phenomena. The distance round a globe would be the same at 50 degrees south as at 50 degrees north, and the surface at the two places would pass under the sun with the same velocity, and the light would approach in the morning and recede in the evening in exactly the same manner. There would be a sameness of phenomena north and south, if the earth were a globe; but the differences are in harmony with the doctrine of the circular plane of the earth and ocean.
The meridian lines diverge southwards, and the degrees of longitude increase accordingly; but if the earth were a globe, the degrees of longitude northward or southward from the equator would diminish.
From the known distance between two places in the south on or about the same latitude, and the difference of solar time (or difference in longitude) we can calculate the length of a degree at that latitude.
John T. Lawson,
Parry Sound District
There is an agreement between the word and works of God. The allusions of the word to the works are strictly accurate, and the facts of nature attest that accuracy.
The works of God are magnificent; but their magnificence is diminished and misrepresented by fanciful theories at variance with His word. To maintain the connection is to hold fast an important truth; which is a delightful duty, and is one of those few things by being faithful to which we may be “ made rulers over many things.”
According to the book of Revelation, the word “world” is used more than 260 times in the Bible, and the word “earth” 350 times. The words “round” or “globe” or “sphere” are never once applied to it. Not a single expression is used from the beginning of the inspired book to the end, suggestive of the idea that the earth is a planet, or, suggesting that the earth is anything else than a stationary plane.
1 – Passages speaking of the heavens above as “stretched out,” and the earth spread forth and stretched out upon the waters, so that the line of the heavens is parallel with that of the earth – Isaiah 42:5; Psalm 136:6. “To Him that stretched out the earth above the waters.” Psalm 24:2. “He has founded the earth upon the seas and established it upon the floods.” Genesis 1:10, informs us that the waters were gathered together unto one place, and called seas, and upon those seas the earth was founded, consequently the waters are beneath and around the earth. The waters sustain the earth, sustain the earth as a whole. 2nd Peter 3:5. “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing or consisting out of the water and in the water.” R.V. Reads: “For this they wilfully forget that there were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amidst (or through) water, by the word of God.” Compacted – held together – leagued with – united. The earth is one – the continents appear to us who are on the surface as being a great distance apart, yet these continents are joined together; they are connected in the water and together they constitute one earth. These connections keep down in the water of continent with continent, are themselves sustained by the waters underneath. “The waters under the earth.” Those waters under the earth, sustain the earth as a whole; sustain the earth in its entirely. “The earth compacted out of water and amidst water by the word of God.” The dry land above, or out of the water compacted, united with, the earth in the water and that again compacted, united with, the other continents amidst or through water.
The continent of America is compacted, united with the continents of Europe and Asia, amidst throughout the water of the Atlantic. The continent of Africa, though connected with Asia by the Isthmus of Suez, yet is compacted, united with Asia and Europe amidst or through the water of the Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, and probably Arabian Sea. Australia compacted, united with Asia amidst or through the water of the Indian Ocean.
As the heavens are spread out above, and the earth stretched out upon the waters, so the line of the heavens is parallel with that of the earth. That is the reason why the heavens seem to close or touch the earth at the horizon. They are parallel. Parallel lines appear to converge in the distance. In a long tunnel, the floor appears to rise to a level with the eye at the entrance, and the roof to come down to a level with the eye, they are parallel; so with the earth and sky, they are parallel. The distant horizon appears on a level with the eye, and the sky in the distance seems to descend to a level with the eye. This has been observed by anyone flying a passenger jet. At their greatest elevation, the horizon seemed to be on a level with the eye, and the sky in the distance seemed to close with the horizon.
This parallel is not just an imaginary line but a force; this is force, some call it the law of density, is why water seeks its own level. Earth has to be level in order for builders to build homes that are level. A builder’s level works the same in Spain as it does in Argentina and it can only happen on a flat earth.
This is according to the law of perspective, parallel lines appear to converge. In Isaiah 40:22, we read: “It is He that sitteh upon (or over) the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants are as grasshoppers.”
it is not said here “circle of a globe,” no, but “circle of the earth.” He sitteth over the arctic circle and beholdeth to the ends of the earth. The earth being stretched out upon the waters, and therefore in its general configuration it is a plane, it is flat; the centre of the earth is north, the circumference is south. The ends of the earth, the extremities of the earth are out towards the southern circumference. Cape Horn is an end, New Zealand is an end, Tasmania and Cape of Good Hope are ends. The great God sitteth over the circle of the earth – over the north centre and seeth to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 45:22. “look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth.” We could not live on a globe – a globe resolving on its axis and shooting away through space it its orbit round the sun. it would be impossible to live upon it, constituted as we are. In Isaiah 45:18; “Thus saith Yahweh that created the heavens. God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited.” He says: “I am Yahweh and there is none else.” A revolving globe – a planet earth would not be habitable. A planet earth, such as the modern astronomers speak of, is a thing of the imagination; it does not exist in nature. It is a vain thing; it is not the habitable earth. What a cutting rebuke is here in these few words in Isaiah to the modern astronomers, the followers of Copernicus and Sir Isaac Newton! What a contract to their theory. God formed the earth and made it’ it became a reality; He established it; He created it not in vain; He formed it to be inhabited. Can you apply these words to the planet earth of Copernicus and Sir Isaac Newton? “Formed the earth and made it, established it.” Is it so with the planet earth? No. It is not formed, not made, not established; it has no real, material existence. It is just a thing of the imagination, supposition, hypothesis. God created the earth not in vain, He formd it to be inhabited.
God said, let the dry land appear, the dry land did appear. Let the waters be gathered together unto one place, and the waters flowed into the place appointed for them, beneath and around the earth. Here we are on this earth – living, moving, working, trading, buying and selling. This earth is a real earth, it is inhabited as God meant it to be, and some of our fellow beings go down to the sea in ships and see the wonders of God on the great waters. This earth is a real, material earth, and this material earth, really, unmistakably and without doubt, is compacted out of the water and amidst the water. But the planet earth of Copernicus and Sir Isaac Newton is not real – it has no material existence, it is fictitious and visionary.