High Priests of “Science”

Posted on March 27, 2016 by revealed4you

Ask Questions to Make Debunkers Think (If That is Possible)

flat earth handoutsWe all know the mass of people who are addicted to the religion of scientism is overwhelming. Those people usually subscribe to all those “science channels” on youtube and worship people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye (which I think is the absolute worst of them all), Michio Kaku, Richard Dawkins and so on.

People like that (and probably most people anyway) will not listen to any legitimate flat earth scientific proofs. So before you can actually engage them in any kind of debate they are long gone (and probably think you are some kind of a prankster who was attempting to steal their time). This means that even mentioning flat earth will turn them away immediately and they will never question their whole “scientific”world view.

So why not disrupt their science religion and giving them a headache by asking simple questions that they have never really thought of and make them at least go….hm? The key here is to come off really interested in their opinion and make them believe that they might be able to really help you understand their ludicrous ball-earth “science.”

Just hit them with one question at a time and make sure you don’t show your support for the flat earth (because if you do that in any way – conversation probably is over).

Here are some examples:

Begin like this: “Hey ______, I really like your ___work/youtube science channel/blabla/whatever_____. I have question that I hope you could answer me: ……”

1) ….How is it that there are no tides in lakes, ponds, rivers, etc. (not even in a glass of water) and why is it that the moon’s gravity doesn’t seem to have any effect on the gases in our atmosphere?

Are there some kind of winds that follow the moon’s path over the earth? (and people on the side of the low tide might be gasping for air, lol…just kidding)

2) …Can you please explain me how it is possible to see a blood moon (lunar eclipse) at daytime?

also: lunar eclipse at sunrise

3) …I would like to know how is it that the durations of twilight are shorter in the southern hemisphere and longer in the northern hemisphere?

For example look at the duration of civil twilight:

http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/australia/sydney (southern hemisphere)

vs.

http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/sweden/stockholm (northern hemisphere)

vs.

http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/ecuador/quito (near the equator)

Never could get my head around that. Please someone explain in a simple way so that I understand. Maybe I’m too dumb, but simply turning my toy globe doesn’t help me find the solution. So, please help 😉

4) ….Why does the atmosphere rotate with the earth? I mean the mass below it stays the same no matter of the location, so therefore I just don’t get the “Because of gravity”-answer. In other words, why does the cloud care whether Africa, New Zealand or Antarctica is below it, when there is always the mass of the whole world below it? So why is the atmosphere so “glued to the ground”? How does this work? Could you please explain?

5) ….I noticed that the continents on the globe of google earth (which claims to have a mathematically correct model of the earth) do not match up with the NASA photos of earth from space.

just one example

How can google be so wrong? What kind of mistakes are those guys making? I mean, I know that there are all kind of different projections of earth for 2D-maps where the sizes of the continents are all wrong and so on, but with the globe itself this cannot happen, right? *confused*

6) ….Shining light on a spherical object always creates a hot spot, right? So why do we not see such a hot spot on the moon or on any NASA picture from the earth or the other planets?

7) ….When airplanes fly straight, the earth underneath them curves, right? So to keep a constant altitude, do they actually have to descent all the time? I mean, otherwise they would end up higher and higher and eventually leave the atmosphere just by flying straight, right? How much do they have to descent?

8) ….Where exactly is the barrier between the atmosphere and the vacuum of space? How does it work and why is the vacuum of space not powerful enough to suck the atmosphere from the earth?

Has somebody ever tried to build for example a high cylinder where the inside is under vacuum and there is a valve (as an air-inlet) at the bottom? The goal of course would be to measure the pressure on top vs. on the bottom of the cylinder with different amounts of air put into the cylinder via the inlet at the bottom.

Hopefully this will at least get them to try to think for themselves a little bit.

As I don’t have a youtube account (and I do not want to have one), I will not contact those YT channels. But I will try to do it via e-mail to some science websites.

So if you like this idea, please join me.

Some more questions:

To continue my approach of hitting all those science experts with questions that will lead them to at least think a little bit for themselves, here are some more questions. I hope you guys will come up with new ones as well.

Here we go….

9) …in my everyday experience I feel that there is a big difference between sunrise and sunset. Sunrise to me looks more bright, golden and energetic, whereas sunset feels more quiet and reddish. So they look and feel completely different, although they should be the same right? (Like a film that you play backwards looks the same.)

So what are the factors that play into this perception? Has it to do with temperature? Is it more a psychological thing (hard to imagine, because if you just look at google images you will see the difference there as well)? What’s the reason exactly?

10) ….as we all know, we cannot see a new moon from the earth. At night that’s totally logical of course, but what about daytime? The moon is between the sun and the earth. You can only see it when it’s directly aligned with the sun during a solar eclipse. However you can often see the complete moon at daytime when it is crescent. You mostly see the illuminated part, but you can also see the rest (faint but still visible). Any picture that tells you it is a depiction of a new moon at daylight always has one side brighter than the other – therefore it can only be a crescent moon not a (full) new moon.

Why isn’t it possible to see a faint (full) new moon at daytime (like holding any object between my eyes and any bright enough light source, I can always make out its shape)?

In other words, shouldn’t the light-scattering of the atmosphere not obscure the (bigger) faint part of a crescent moon like it does with a new moon? By the way, you can also see the faint part of a crescent moon at night time. Can someone please explain?

more questions regarding the global warming hoax:

11) ….as we all know the density of CO2 is higher than that of the normal atmosphere (air). Otherwise CO2 fire extinguishers won’t work and if you throw dry ice into water the “steam” would just rise and not fall over the edge of the glass, right?.

So if the concentration of CO2 in the surface area is about 400 ppm of the atmosphere, then how much is it let’s say in 20 km height?

And if this height is the place where most of the heating up of the atmosphere is happening (global warming – reflection of heat back to earth) and the little amount of CO2 up there (should be way way less than 400 ppm) is so potent to heat up the entire planet as it does, then why don’t we just use CO2 to isolate our homes? For example make double glass windows and fill them with pure 100% CO2. Shouldn’t that have a super strong effect in reflecting the heat back into your home? Am I missing something or shouldn’t this work just like it does in the upper atmosphere? ?????

12)…I have learned that heat always flows from hot to cold, never the opposite way. Can somebody please explain why this seems to be different in all those explanations for global warming? How can the heat be reflected at 20 km height where the temperature is much colder than on the relatively hot surface of earth? If it is just because of the reflection of infra-red radiation, then why is the layer of CO2 in the atmosphere not reflecting all the incoming infra-red radiation from the sun back to into space, so it doesn’t get to earth in the first place? In other words, shouldn’t CO2 have a cooling effect instead of heating? Or at least shouldn’t the reflected IR rays from the earth and the sun just cancel each other out?

 

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Debunking the Debunkers

Posted on March 27, 2016 by revealed4you

Earth is the Center of the Universe

The Earth is Not Moving

what's going on with antarcticaThey then claim that the Flat Earth model does not explain the Sun’s movement over and around the stationary Earth, which of course it explains far better than the ridiculous heliocentric model. The Sun and Moon luminaries revolve around the flat Earth once every 24 hours illuminating like spotlights the areas over which they pass. The Sun’s annual journey from tropic to tropic, solstice to solstice, is what determines the length and character of days, nights and seasons. This is why equatorial regions experience almost year-round summer and heat while higher latitudes North and especially South experience more distinct seasons with harsh winters. The heliocentric model claims seasons change based on the ball-Earth’s alleged “axial tilt” and “elliptical orbit” around the Sun. Their flawed current model even places us closest to the Sun (91,400,000 miles) in January when its actually winter, and farthest from the Sun (94,500,000 miles) in July when its actually summer throughout much of the Earth. They say due to the ball-Earth’s tilt, different places receive different amounts of direct sunlight and that is what produces the seasonal and temperature changes. This makes little sense, however, because if the Sun’s heat travels over ninety million miles to reach the ball-Earth, how could a slight tilt, a mere few thousand miles maximum, negate the Sun’s ninety million mile journey, giving us simultaneous tropical summers and Antarctic winters?

“The earth is a stretched-out structure, which diverges from the central north in all directions towards the south. The equator, being midway between the north center and the southern circumference, divides the course of the sun into north and south declination. The longest circle round the world which the sun makes, is when it has reached its greatest southern declination. Gradually going northwards the circle is contracted. In about three months after the southern extremity of its path has been reached, the sun makes a circle round the equator. Still pursuing a northerly course as it goes round and above the world, in another three months the greatest northern declination is reached, when the sun again begins to go towards the south. In north latitudes, when the sun is going north, it rises earlier each day, is higher at noon and sets later; while in southern latitudes at the same time, the sun as a matter of course rises later, reaches a lesser altitude at noon and sets earlier. In northern latitudes during the southern summer, say from September to December, the sun rises later each day, is lower at noon and sets earlier; while in the south he rises earlier, reaches a higher altitude at noon, and sets later each day. This movement round the earth daily is the cause of the alternations of day and night; while his northerly and southerly courses produce the seasons. When the sun is south of the equator it is summer in the south and winter in the north; and vice versa. The fact of the alternation of the seasons flatly contradicts the Newtonian delusion that the earth revolves in an orbit round the sun. It is said that summer is caused by the earth being nearest the sun, and winter by its being farthest from the sun. But if the reader will follow the argument in any text book he will see that according to the theory, when the earth is nearest the sun there must be summer in both northern and southern latitudes; and in like manner when it is farthest from the sun, it must be winter all over the earth at the same time, because the whole of the globe-earth would then be farthest from the sun!!! In short, it is impossible to account for the recurrence of the seasons on the assumption that the earth is globular and that it revolves in an orbit around the sun.” –Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (124-125)

Next up, The Young Turks, YouTube channel that has over 1 million subscribers, give the controlled opposition Flat Earth Society bullshit fake flat Earth argument of “Universal Acceleration” of the flat-Earth disc constantly accelerating upwards to account for gravity. This same ridiculous false flat-Earth argument also appears on Wikipedia and the FES homepage. It is provably wrong as the “upwards accelerating disc” would smash into all helicopters, planes and hot-air balloons making sustained flight of any kind impossible, but they purposely promote these strawman arguments so flat Earth neophytes will rightly laugh off their dumb explanations, and then following suit, write off the entire subject. In reality, Gravity Does Not Exist, and everything purported to be explained by gravity is in fact a property of Density.

They next explain their “red-shifting” non-sense color method of determining distances to stars! Modern astronomy’s highly “scientific” way of determining the distances to the stars is by matching the color of light coming from the star on the electro-magnetic spectrum with an alleged distance starting with the closest star being 25 trillion miles away! In actuality you can watch stars twinkle and change color regularly, and if they have never even been to the closest star, then measuring based on the color of light is complete speculation. Geocentrists for centuries, however, have used sextants and plane trigonometry to determine the distance of the celestial bodies and found them to be within a few thousand miles from the surface of the Earth, NOT a ridiculous 25+ trillion miles away!

“If there were not any satellites in space, you could not be watching this video.” No. All supposed “satellite” technology is done via ground-based towers and technologies. Fibre-optic cables running across the oceans are responsible for worldwide internet (as shown in my video below) NOT satellites. Google images of satellites and you’ll find nothing but cartoons and photoshop bull. Not to mention, the components in satellites would completely melt in the thermosphere where they’re said to exist. The lights you see moving across the sky are planes, drones, stars, or other unidentified flying objects, NOT “satellites” or space stations “floating” in the vacuum of infinite space (which as I’ve explained in every interview, is philosophically/physically impossible).

Next they lie again and claim that I claim that “there are no flights to the South Pole.” I’ve never claimed this, I’m well-aware and speak of the guided tourist photo-ops they make to an arbitrary point along the Antarctic ice and call the “South Pole.” It’s just a red/white barbershop pole with a ball-Earth on top they encircled with the flags of all the sell-out nations that signed the Antarctic treaty. This is provably NOT the South Pole.

Of course, much more can be said of the different allegations the debunkers throw at flat earthers, but this will be covered at another time or as these allegations arise.

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Flat or Spherical, part 6

Posted on March 23, 2016 by revealed4you

THE IMPORTANCE OF A CORRECT COSMOGONY

telescope-1A false cosmogony is leading thousands to infidelity and to death. The infidel says: –

“As we are whirled upon our spinning and glowing planet through the unfathomable spaces, where myriads of suns, like golden bees, gleam through the awful mystery of the vast void night, what are the phantom gods to us?”-Clarion, April 24, 1903.

If we, by the mercy of God, have escaped this “vast void of night,” shall we leave others to perish in it? We Zetetics know that the world is not “a planet,” but a plane; and the plane-earth truth knocks the bottom out of the Evolution theory, with its dark and hopeless godlessness. Let us therefore do all we can to save others from unconsciously imbibing the fatal poison of this evolutionary science, a “science falsely so-called.”

Let us warn our children as they go to school. Let us try to aid others by voice or by pen; and by scattering literature, or pamphlets, upon the Plane truth. God, through His servant Moses, began the Bible revelation with a formal account of the Creation of the World. We should begin there. We must come back to this Divine Cosmogony. He instituted the Sabbath as its weekly memorial; but both, alas! have alike been forgotten. We must come back to first principles. The world ere long will be divided into two camps, and we shall have to take our place in one or the other. Zetetics, or Planists, will be last to give up their faith in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Bible. True Zetetics will never give it up. But the last battle of Inspiration will have to be fought on these lines. Real Facts will help us; Nature will help us; and God will help us. The down-grade critics, the scientists, the infidels, and the devil will oppose. They all attack the Cosmogony of Genesis, and only the Christian Zetetic can stand intelligently to it. Let us therefore buckle on our armour, and quit ourselves like men and Christians; and so we shall save ourselves, and our children, from this apostate and untoward generation. “If God be for us, who can be against us”? Remember: –

“When our Lord Jesus Christ shall be revealed from heaven, with His mighty angels, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction;”……….then “He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was belied) IN THAT DAY.” Paul.

“Amen, even so, come Lord Jesus.”

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Flat or Spherical, part 5

Posted on March 23, 2016 by revealed4you

WORD OF WARNING

From the booklet in the 1890s, Science and Religion or Blatchford and Blasphemy, by “Zetetes.”

The Apostle Paul, who as a man was no mean scholar and reasoner, as proved by his Epistle to the Romans, when writing to the brethren at Colosse reminds them that “In Christ are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” And he reminded them of this “Lest any man should beguile them with enticing words.” If a man therefore reject the Christ of God, the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden from him. He becomes an unsafe guide or leader. Now what was Christ’s attitude towards the divine cosmogony revealed through Moses? He endorsed Moses’ writings; and the man, or minister, who does not believe the writings of Moses, cannot really believe the words of Christ. See John v. 47. Paul says: “The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.” And again: “He taketh the wise in their own craftiness,” I Cor. iii. 19. When will Christians learn that there is a subtle and deep-laid plot for the overthrowing of their faith? There is a fascination and a subtlety in speculative sciences which, for a time, veils their sceptical trend. In schools and in colleges, without suspecting or calling in question their hypothetical character, we have unconsciously imbibed their false doctrines, before we could see where these “scientific” theories were leading us. Especially is this true with regard to cosmic theories, or cosmological “science.” We Christians have need to be on the alert, to watch, and to “prove all things”; especially those things which concern the revelation of God’s Word and His Works. His purpose, and our own hope of life and immortality through His beloved and resurrected Son require this. Apart from Jesus, the Christ, we have no hope of any immortality; for, as Paul says, Christ brought “life and immortality to life through the Gospel.” Let us therefore take heed to the warning of Paul, who says: —

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy amd vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Col. ii. 8.

Once a man is spoiled through philosophical speculations, he becomes unfit for immortality. These speculations, or theories, abound at the present time. So that in the closing days of this dispensation we have more need than ever to give heed to the above apostolic warning. Faith is departing, and infidelity is waxing bold in the name of so-called “science.” It is as though some deep and subtle power were coordinating the various branches of “science.” So that their united influence might be directed to the undermining of all faith in God’s Word and in God’s Son. Bible doctrines are denied, or, what is perhaps worse, distorted. But one point is clear, Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; and no man can come to the Father but by Him. Men of eminence in “science” are mostly infidels, because they trust in their own natural ability to find out all about the higher truths of the universe. If they heed not the warnings which God has graciously given through His servants they will be “taken in their own craftiness.” “The wages of sin is death”—not life in torment for ever, -and there are mental sins as well as physical sins, which lead to destruction or death. When a man, because of his scientific beliefs, loses faith in the Bible, and in the God of the Bible, what hope can he have of eternal life through our Lord Jesus? These considerations ought to show everyone, and especially the humble Christian.

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Creating Graphics for Spreading the Flat Earth Truth

Posted on March 21, 2016 by revealed4you

Tickets-2

It’s been a long time in coming and I was wondering why this wasn’t started previously – literature for spreading the flat earth message.

Here, you’ll see my humble attempt to design literature to get the message out.

Recently I purchased some software that allows me to design graphics. Now, I don’t have an education in graphic design, but with a little imagination some decent literature can be made.

Click on image for larger view.

Click on image for larger view.

I see with the program that I have I can make the following: post cards, business cards, A5 size literature, and “tickets.” The image you see here is the size of a ticket. This software also designs covers for ebooks – to make it look like a report, magazine covers, hard cover book, etc. Also, it makes designs for web pages, including headers.

In the near future I’ll have more of my art work posted here – as it does take time to design. If you would like to have something designed contact me and let me know your wishes. This can be sent to you where you can print it out locally or do it on your own printer.

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What Is The Ice Wall?

Posted on March 20, 2016 by revealed4you

antarctic-mountains-1Us flat earthers know what the ice wall is when we talk about it, but those that are sceptical of the flat earth will remark, “Where is the ice wall?” When they are shown that it’s the ice that is surrounding Antarctica, and it is literally called an “ice wall,” these people play dumb. When you do a Google search on “Antarctica ice wall,” you’ll see pictures of cliffs of ice about 200 feet high. In some places you see mountains that come right to the shore. This is plenty high enough to contain the ocean.

antarctic-mountains-2Now, is there another wall? Since I was never there, and I know that no heliocentric believer had ever been to the far interior of the Antarctic, I don’t know. BUT, I would not be surprised that if you were to travel all the way in, you’d come to the dome or the firmament, as the Bible calls it. Now, this could be some kind of physical structure. In fact, ancient writings talk about it being crystalline. I, personally feel, that there is something physical there, that was part of Creation. It keeps our atmosphere in.

There is speculation by some flat earthers that the land goes out further and into utter darkness. Again, since I wasn’t there and since they were not there, who is to say? But there are limits to the earth and the limits might as well be right were the firmament is. After all we are TOLD by Scripture that this is where the Sun, Moon and stars are (much higher up, of course, and not near land surface.

Antarcticabook2Not only does the ice wall contain the oceans of the world, the Antarctic also contains us. God, in His wisdom, didn’t want us to go outside of it. And what prevents us from doing so? The bitter cold where temperatures can go down to -50C, the wind, snow and probably darkness if we go far enough in. Then, there is the firmament which might be made of some indestructible substance. There is no food nor animal life in the interior, so that is plenty enough to keep us here.

That is my take on this.

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The Distance That Light Travels

Posted on March 20, 2016 by revealed4you

Dear Readers,

Here is a thought about light traveling from our Sun.

sunset-1‘We are told’ that light from stars travel trillion of miles to reach us. Have scientists a way to prove this? Do they really know how far light travels before there is no detection at all? One thing us flat earthers know is that the Sun is about 3,000 miles from here and it’s about 32 miles in diameter. I know that the type of light, he size of it, and the medium that it travels through determines if we can still see it. Of course, it’s also determined by each a person’s eyesight. But to say that we can light from a source thousands of light years away (or more) is just baloney!

adult-1Take a look at this photo here of a setting Sun. It’s like you can get the indication that the rays of the sun is reaching the limits that it can travel. Think of it this way, we know that the Sun doesn’t go behind the earth – it’s still above a flat plane but it’s only much further away; there really isn’t anything that is blocking our sight. Yes, there is the law of perception – when something gets too small we simply can’t see it. But since we are talking about photons – these light particles are traveling to us. Remember, there is nothing stopping the light traveling to us, YET we can’t see the light – not matter how good your eyesight is. Now, I’m not an expert, but to me this tells me that light just can’t travel any more. It’s like it’s being absorbed in darkness.

For heliocentric believers, if they ask about the stars. The fact is, stars are also within thousands of miles from us – not trillions of miles, not millions of light years. And, we only see them when it’s dark. Many of them we can only see when we are away from any city light. That’s why observatories are on mountains away from city and even village lights.

This should make you think about light and how far it can travel.

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Take A Picture While You Are On The Beach

Posted on March 19, 2016 by revealed4you
Zoom in.

Zoom in.

Take a picture of something out at sea. In this picture, you see mountains. Use a high resolution camera. When you upload it, look at the base. Then as you zoom in, look at it. You can also use a zoom lens at high resolution but make sure you are on optical setting. Now, after you downloaded it to your camera, zoom in. In all cases you can see right to the base line.

The above picture is 1.85MB, so click on the picture and get a closer look. You’ll be able to see down to the water line.

If you know the distance of how far that object is away, that would be better.

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Flat or Spherical, part 4

Posted on March 19, 2016 by revealed4you

BLATCHFORD’S BLASPHEMY

In The Clarion for April 24th nearly the whole of the fifth page is devoted to vilifying the God of Israel, notwithstanding that. He has warned all men. He will not hold them “guiltless who take His Name in vain.” Mr. Blatchford heads his chapter with the great and glorious Name, and says that Jehovah was “the adopted heavenly Father of Christianity.” On reading this one of my sons remarked that he had “never before known a son adopt his own father”! I simply remarked that he did not understand the peculiar nature of infidel logic and “reason.” Mr. Blatchford says that in the universe which Science has revealed to man there are “20 millions of living, moving, radiant suns with all their wonderful revolving planets, &c.” Now this dogmatic assertion is the merest speculation for no planet has ever been discovered by the most powerful to telescope except the seven belonging to our own system. This doubly unfounded statement is another example of infidel credulity where “science” is concerned, especially any so-called “science” which opposes Bible teaching.

The editor then proceeds to blaspheme the Holy Name, which be flippantly and frequently repeats. He says of the great Being claiming this peculiar Name that—“He was fickle, jealous, dishonorable, immoral, vindictive, barbarous, and cruel.” . . . “He was a tribal God . . . . the idol of a savage and ignorant tribe. Himself a savage and ignorant monster.” He rashly indites other and worse blasphemies against the God of Israel. But it is noteworthy how infidels contradict one another. Grant Allen says: – “The purely monotheistic conception of a single supreme God, the creator and upholder of all things, had been reached in all its sublime simplicity by the Jewish teachers centuries before the birth of the man Jesus.” This is true to history; but the blatant blasphemy of The Clarion says that the Jews were “a savage and ignorant tribe.” It is strange how such a people could give even Christians the most sublime conception of One and “The ONLY true God.” It was in later times, as these writers have to confess, that Romanism foisted on to Christianity the Trinitarian ideas of paganism, with a multitude of lesser divinities, saints and mediators.

One objection sceptical writers bring against the God of Israel is that He is too “anthropomorphic,” too much like a man. He can see, and hear, and taste and smell; and walk about a garden in the cool of the day. They seem to want a God, if they have one at all, that can neither hear nor see, nor taste nor smell; one without body, parts or passions: a mere philosophical abstraction, like Euclid’s definition of a point. An atom? No doubt such a god would suit them better than a living, righteous, sin-hating and all-scrutinizing Being or Personage, such as our Lord Jesus described His Father to be. And of Jesus, it is written that He, the Son of God (not the Deity Himself) was “the express image.” of His Father’s Person. The Holy Scriptures reveal only One supreme Deity, the Father of our Lord Jesus, who is the Christ, or Messiah, of Israel.

We are next treated to a long quotation from some apostate Congregational Minister, who is a semi-infidel, and who says that the early Bible conception of God is one we cannot now accept. To this Mr. B., with evident satisfaction, immediately adds: –

“With this I entirely agree. We cannot accept as the God of Creation this savage idol of an obscure tribe. We have renounced Him, and are ashamed of Him, not because of any later divine revelation, but because mankind” (that is, men like Mr. B. !) “have become too en-lightened, too humane, and too, honourable to tolerate Jehovah.”

One cannot help exclaiming here, what “enlightened” men these infidels all are! And how humane and honourable too, as witnessed, for instance, by the facts of the French Revolution!

However, I only wish to deal here with their intelligence and logic as they make their boast of being more enlightened than we Christians, and so much more capable of reasoning. Let them therefore give us a reasonable proof that we are living on a whirling ball, turning us all topsy-turvy every twenty-four hours; and let them allow some competent zetetic to examine that proof for their and our mutual benefit. They ought to be able to silence a poor benighted zetetic, whose “evolution” has, in some way or other, been sadly neglected! Fancy Grant Allen, one of the masters of infidelity, tracing the “Evolution of the Idea of God,” on the part of Israel, to “a stone idol carried about in a box or ark.” Why, that very box, or ark, contained the Ten Commandments, written on stone, the sublime summary of all Moral Law, and these commandments witnessed against this very “enlightened” and modern idea! If we must give up Revelation, and bow down before Evolution and “Reason,” we should like the latter at least to be a little more cogent and convincing. Perhaps it is thought to be sufficient for the class of readers for whom it was originally intended? However, I will give, as briefly as I can, another specimen of “enlightened” reason, which The Clarion trumpets forth with its harsh and hollow sound. Next to the insignificance of the Bible Universe as compared with the modern “scientific conception,” which Nunquam affirms is merely “as a candle to the sun,” this editor delights in setting forth what he considers to be the “injustice” of God. It seems to be a favourite topic with such blatant blasphemers. But before quoting something of that which is written under this head I wish to refer to a previous paragraph in The Clarion of March 6th, page 5, column 4, where we have a short but interesting dissertation upon “earwigs.”

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Flat or Spherical, part 3

Posted on March 19, 2016 by revealed4you

By “ZETETES”

Early in this year, namely, on January 23rd, 1903, the Editor of a weekly newspaper called The Clarion, commenced an attack on religion generally and the Bible in particular. He attacks the truth and inspiration of the Bible on various grounds, but chiefly because of its cosmogony, the creation and order of the universe, as revealed therein. He bases these attacks on the assumption of the truth of the globular theory of the earth, and the theory of evolution which has sprung from it. He seems to think that which is written in the name of “Science” is infallible, and that the Bible, therefore, is in error wherever it is contradicted by the teachings of science: and there are contradictions. He complains that Christians accept the teachings of the Bible without submitting them to the light of reason; while he gives abundant evidence that he accepts the teachings of “Science” without having personally tested its claims. Gullibility is not confined to those who profess some religion. Men who are sceptical of Bible truth can swallow down unproven and extravagant cosmical theories when promulgated in the name of Science.

A man like Mr. Blatchford may deny that God made the world in six days; but he can believe it came into existence of itself, by merely “natural law” operating through millions of years! He can ridicule the belief of the early Christians who, as he affirms, thought “that the earth was flat like a plate”; but he cannot for the life of him give an unimpeachable proof that the earth on which he lives is a whirling globe flying through space faster than a cannon ball. It is often easier to ridicule than to reason; but sceptics who pride themselves on their ability to reason ought not to lay themselves open to this reproach.

In The Clarion for April 17th, 1903, about half of the front page is devoted to an article headed–

“THE UNIVERSE AND ITS CREATOR”

By R. BLATCHFORD

From this article we make the following quotations:

“The theory of the early Christian Church was that the earth was flat, like a plate, and the sky was a solid dome above it, like an inverted blue basin. The sun revolved round the earth to give light by day, the moon revolved round the earth to give light by night. The stars were auxiliary lights, and had all been specially, and at the same time, created for the good of man. God created the sun, moon, stars, and earth is six days. He created them by word, and lie created them out of nothing.

. . . To-day our ideas are very different. Hardly any educated man or woman in the world believes that the world is flat, or that the sun revolves round the earth, or that what we call the sky is a solid substance like a domed ceiling?”

Advanced thinkers, even amongst the Christians, believe that the world is round, that it is one of a series of planets revolving round the sun, that the sun is only one of many millions of other suns, that these suns were not created simultaneously, but at different periods, probably separated by millions or billions of years. Advanced thinkers, even amongst the Christians, have abandoned the fable of the six days’ creation, the story of Adam and Eve, and the fall. . . . All the advances in knowledge, and all the improvements in the Christian religion, are due to scientists and to sceptics, many of whom have been persecuted or murdered by the Church for their services to mankind.

There is no passage in the Bible which says the world was made “out of nothing.” But we acknowledge that the early Christians believed the earth to be a motionless and extended plane. We also acknowledge that the Old Testament Scriptures taught this doctrine hundreds of years before Christ’s time. Moreover, we Zetetic; in these days still believe this teaching. We think it is in harmony with facts and true to nature; and we challenge proof that it is otherwise. The world has never yet been proved to be globular; nor has it ever yet been proved to have axial or orbital motion. These doctrines are assumed. We know whereof we affirm. We have read some of the best books on modern astronomy: and have been surprised to find what a large amount of this so-called “Science” is based upon hypothesis or assumption. On two consecutive pages of a modern work on Astronomy we counted, as it lay open, a dozen terms like the following: —hypothesis, assumption, speculation, supposition, theory, etc., etc., now “Science” means knowledge, from the Latin Scio or Scientia; but hypothesis is supposition, or guesswork, not real knowledge. We Christians have too readily yielded the claims of modern theoretical astronomy. We should “prove all things,” and not accept science teaching on trust, because of great names; especially where that teaching contradicts the Bible.

Mr. Blatchford says that “Advanced thinkers even amongst Christians believe the world is round”—when he says “round” we suppose he means globular, for a penny is “round” and flat too. We should call such Christians very thoughtless, or even recreant Christians, if they, give up Bible teaching at the bidding of such speculative theories as now pass for Science. But the question is not what “advanced” Christians may “believe,” but “What is true” in itself: “Science,” so-called, or the Bible? We know it is fashionable and popular at the present day to believe in “science”; but it is a different thing to prove its ever-changing theories true. Let anyone try, for instance, to prove that the world is now rushing through “space,” as the astronomers affirm it is, about nineteen miles a second. We have asked Mr. Blatchford to try, but he declines! It is easier to flourish astronomical speculations and to flout their figures in the face of Bible cosmogony. Mr. Blatchford knows that at the present time they will be generally accepted as true. But he also knows that a theory which is not true may be generally accepted even by “educated men,” as he affirms of some religious opinions. Yet in the same article he complacently proceeds as follows:

We have seen the account of the universe and its creation, as given in the revealed Scriptures. Let us now take a hasty view of the universe and its creation, as revealed to us by science. What is the universe like, as far as our limited knowledge goes? Our sun is only one sun amongst many millions. Our planet is only one of eight which revolve around him. Our sun, with his planets and comets, comprises what is known as the solar system. There is no reason to suppose that this is the only solar system: there may be millions of solar systems. For aught we know, there may be millions of systems, each containing millions of solar systems. Let us deal first with the solar system of which we are a part. The sun is a globe of 866,200 miles diameter. His diameter is more than 108 times that of the earth. His volume is 1,305,000 times the volume of the earth. All the eight planets added together only make one-seven-hundredth part of his weight. His circumference is more than two and a half millions of miles. He revolves upon his axis in 25 days, or at a speed of nearly 4,000 miles an hour. This immense globe is supposed to be a solid mass, encased in an envelope of flaming gas. It affords light and heat to all the planets. Without the light and heat of the sun, no life would now be, or in the past have been, possible on this earth, or any other planet of the solar system.

The volume of Jupiter is 1,389 times, of Saturn 848 times, of Neptune 103 times, and of Uranus 59 times the volume of the earth. The mean distances from the sun are: Mercury, 36 million miles; Venus, 67 million miles; the Earth, 93 million miles; Mars, 141 million miles; Jupiter, 483 million miles; Saturn 886 million miles; Uranus, 1782 million miles; Neptune, 2792 million miles. To give an idea of the meaning of these distances I may say that a train travelling night and day at 60 miles an hour would take quite 176 years to come from the sun to the earth. The same train, at the same speed, would be 5,230 years in travelling from the sun to Neptune. Reckoning that Neptune is the outermost planet of the solar system, that system would have a diameter of 5,584 millions of miles.

But this distance is as nothing when we come to deal with the distances of the other stars from our sun. The distance from our sun to the nearest fixed (?) star is supposed to be about 20 millions of millions of miles. Our express train, which crosses the diameter of the solar system in, 10,560 years, would take, if it went 60 miles an hour day and night, about 35 million years to reach the nearest fixed star from the sun.

But these immense distances only relate to the nearest stars. Now, the nearest stars are about four “light years” distant from us. That is to say, that light, travelling at the rate of about 182,000 miles in one second, takes four years to come from the nearest fixed star to the earth. But I have seen the distance from the earth to the Great Nebula in Orion given as a thousand light years, or 250 times the distance of the fixed star above alluded to. To reach that nebula at 60 miles an hour, an express train would have to travel for 35 millions of years multiplied by 250-that is to say, for 8,750 million years. And yet there are millions of stars whose distances are even greater than the distance of the Great Nebula in Orion. How many stars are there? No one can even guess. But L. Struve estimates the number of those visible to the great telescopes at 20 millions. Twenty millions of suns! And as to the sizes of these suns, Sir Robert Ball says Sirius is ten times as large as our sun; and a well-known astronomer, writing in the “English Mechanic” about a week ago remarks that Alpha Orionis (Betelgeuze) has probably 700 times the light of our sun.

Can you suppose that such a creator would, after thousands of years of effort, have failed even now to make his repeated revelations comprehensible? Do you believe that He would be driven across the unimaginable gulfs of space, out of the transcendent glory of His myriad resplendent suns, to die on a cross, in order to win back to Him the love of the puny creatures on one puny planet in the marvellous universe His power had made? Well, next week I will contrast this idea of the universe with the idea given in the so-called Book of the Revelation of God, and I will contrast this idea of a creator with the pictures of the God presented to us in the Holy Bible.

And so our editor goes on with these extravagant and monstrous speculations. I have underlined the word “suppose” three times in the above brief quotations. On the basis of these supposition

he compares the “universe of science” with the universe of the Bible, and of course, very much to the disparagement of the latter. But thoughtful and faithful Christians will require proof that these speculations are justified before giving up the Bible and natural cosmogony. Proctor acknowledges that it is natural to think the earth is flat, because, as he says, it “looks flat.” And balloonists, who get a more extended view than others, acknowledge the same thing. And wherever an extent of still water has been carefully surveyed the surface has been found to be perfectly level or horizontal. By this means the Riddle of the Universe may be resolved, for a flat earth “knocks the bottom out of” evolution! For if the surface of standing water is horizontal, the earth generally must be a plane. Abundant proof of this fact has been given in The Earth, a monthly paper published in the interests of the zetetic cosmology. We have only space here for a short extract.

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