A Truth Seeker’s Attack On The Flat Earth, part 2
Continued from the previous Post
The idiom, “Throwing the baby out with the bath water” comes to mind.
Same principle applies to teaching concerning the shape of the Earth. Do I agree with everything everyone who has taught me concerning the Earth? No. My study of the subject showed me there are many flaws and problems with the spinning rotating spherical Earth position. That has led me to question what I thought I knew about the subject, just like I did when I studied other “conspiracy theories” like the assassination of JFK, the moon landing, the “evil Nazis,” Adolph Hitler, WWII, the alleged holocaust, 9/11, etc.
Finck isn’t suggesting that we’ve been lied to about all those other “conspiracy theories,” by the Jewish controlled media, but we were told the truth concerning the Earth we live on, is he?
Something smells fishy here.
One biblical subject found in Genesis 1 has always been a mystery to me: how does the firmament mentioned in verse 6 fit in with the Earth as a spinning globe theory? In my opinion, the spinning rotating Earth theory does not work with a firmament. However, in the stationary flat Earth model, the firmament makes perfect sense.
Keep in mind, that up until 500 years ago, this was the model accepted by all “mainstream everyday people,” many of whom were very scientific, better educated and more intelligent in many ways than many of the so-called Scientists, the High Priests of the Religion of Science, of our day. For one thing, they possessed common sense, something quite lacking in many people I know today. Does it feel to you like you’re spinning around at several hundred miles per hour? Does the moon look like its 242,000 miles away? (Edit: Link to a video showing clouds moving behind the moon. The moon would have to be much closer than we’ve been told, and accepted all these years to have clouds moving behind it. A closer moon makes perfect sense – inside a firmament). The Science Priests call what they believe Science and the followers of Science believe what they are told. That is not Science; that is faith, a belief system of the New Religion of the Age, Science.
Finck then goes on to attack Eric Dubay and his PDF “200 Proofs the Earth is Not a Spinning Ball,” labeling Dubay a “race mixer,” a plausible (possible?) Jew, a straight clown and a liar.” I’m not going to defend Dubay, as I have had my run-in with him, being banned almost immediately from his forum, The International Flat Earth Research Society, for attempting to share the truth of Scripture related to the creation of the Earth.
A video/audio presentation of Dubay’s “200 Proofs” can be found Here. Check it out for yourself as to whether Dubay’s reasoning is “quackery.”
Further, I too discovered the book Finck mentions written by Carpenter.
However, Finck is mistaken when he states, “From what I can see, Carpenter is not even mentioned on Dubay’s website.” Carpenter’s book is mentioned here: http://ifers.boards.net/thread/28/100-proofs-earth-globe-ebook in a post dated Mar 3, 2015.
Eric Dubay isn’t the only person promoting flat Earth. If one wants to attack the merits of the non-spinning, non-rotating spherical Earth deniers’ ideas, why not chose those who have a less anti-Christian position like Jeran of Jeranism? Or the pro-Christian, pro-Scriptural positions of Rob Skiba?
Finck, attacking the “race-mixing possible Jew” Dubay and his “200 Proofs” as if his “proofs” are identical to all other flat Earther’s views, is disingenuous. Other proponents of the stationary level Earth theory have several if not dozens of legitimate arguments. Why didn’t Finck, et al, examine those other more relative and stronger points? Is it because Finck, et al, have already made up their closed minds? Hypocritical, is it not?
Finck then proceeds to attack Ernest Pierce, whom he refers to as “a supposed Christian Identity so-called pastor, the clown just showed up a couple of years ago,” who has made this “flat-Earth drivel” one of the centerpieces of his so-called ministry, which, in Finck’s opinion, all it does is discredit “real Identity Christians.”
I know nothing of Ernest Pierce, and am not here to defend him, but what if the flat Earth, with a firmament, is not “drivel,” as Finck claims? What if it turns out we don’t live on a spinning spherical heliocentric globe? What if, Yahweh forbid, Finck is wrong? Is Ernest Pierce still a “so-called pastor clown with a so-called ministry?”
Or is it Finck who is the clown with a so-called ministry?
As stated above, all one has to do is express an opinion that differs from Finck’s dogma, and one is a “clown,” a “lunatic” a “quack,” or worse.
Don Spears is the next victim of Finck’s junkyard dog like attack. He refers to Spears as “that Baptist ass-clown from south Alabama, who’s claiming to be an Identity Christian, and he’s really just fooling himself,” who, because of his “big ego and bad eyesight,” was prevented from doing his own video podcast on the subject of the flat Earth, and instead hooked up with Mark Sargent, whom Finck claims, “is a Jew who has infiltrated and is trying to co-opt the so-called flat Earth movement for his own design.”
Although one may disagree with Don Spear’s King James Only position, as I do, does that entitle one to publicly attack him as a “Baptist ass-clown from south Alabama, who’s claiming to be an Identity Christian, and he’s really just fooling himself,” and having a “big ego and bad eyesight” for reasons he had an interview with the alleged Jew, Mark Sargent? How is Finck’s typical attack-dog approach going help in reaching “mainstream everyday people” with the Christian Identity message, that Finck himself seems so concerned about?
Starting at about six minutes in, Finck continues his pro-spinning rotating heliocentric spherical Earth and anti-stationary flat geocentric firmament encased Earth rant with many unsubstantiated claims. For example, this “Mark Sargent character, who is a Jew, has “infiltrated the flat Earth movement and is trying to co-opt the flat Earth movement for his own designs.”
What evidence does Finck give in support of these allegations? Finck certainly does not provide any evidence for such an opinion, and that is all it is, his opinion. And this is just my opinion; maybe, just maybe, because of his big ego, Finck believes his opinions are more valid than anyone’s opinion on this subject and many other subjects, subjects he knows little about.
Finck continues giving his opinion: “One problem with some of these flat Earthers is this: “They latch onto many so-called conspiracy theories, which actually have credibility and they add ridiculous flat Earth and other equally ridiculous so-called conspiracies to them, which simply discredit everything they purport to profess. It is very plausible that they are doing this on purpose, so that, by associating flat-Earthers with holocaust revisionists, or those who are aware of and try to spread information about Jewish media control or about Christian Identity …. or about those who doubt the existence of dinosaurs or evolution or anything else, are thereby seen as flat Earthers, lunatics, to be discredited in the eyes of the general public.”
As for sharing flat Earth theory to the general public, I have found, through personal experience, unlike Finck, it is actually easier to discuss the opposing theories regarding the Earth, than it is to even bring up the subject of the holocaust, because when one does bring up the holocaust, the general public has been trained, (by the very same Jewish controlled media Finck refers to), to immediately label you as an “anti-semite,” a “holocaust denier,: “hateful,” or, and this may be the worst of all, a “Nazi.”
I find it easier to have a discussion with friends and acquaintances about the Earth and whether it is spinning or stationary, flat or a sphere, simply because when discussing these subjects, one can point out anomalies existing right in their world that gets them questioning their beliefs. And many, many more people are interested in the physical world around them affecting them daily, than they are about something, like the holocaust, that did – or didn’t – happen to the Jews over 70 years and they see as having no affect on them whatsoever.
Then, once they start questioning the view of the world they are standing on, their eyes and minds are more open to the idea that they have been lied to about many other things, including the true identity of the Israelites of Scripture and even the so-called holocaust. From this vantage point, it is easier to segue into “components” of Christian Identity doctrine, and or the truth of other so-called “conspiracy theories.”
From personal experience, the reality is exactly the opposite of Finck’s opinion.
“Christian Identists who promote flat earth, (that includes me) actually discredit Christian Identity; they think they are smart, but they are actually idiots.”
There it is again: if you don’t believe EXACTLY like I do, you discredit Christian Identity and are an “idiot.” If I am not mistaken, Finck just called me and those who think like I do regarding the non-spinning, non-rotating stationary flat firmament enclosed Earth, idiots.
The stationary flat Earth covered by a firmament is arguably the “Mother of all conspiracy theories.” If someone should start out by coming to the correct knowledge of this “Mother of all conspiracy theories,” how is calling them “quacks,” “lunatics” and “idiots” going to endear them to the message of the lesser “conspiracy theories,” like the Christian racial Identity message or the fact that Jesus was not a Jew or the “Jews are not God’s Chosen Ones”?
7:40 seconds into the podcast Finck states: “Eric Dubay is an absolute liar.” He then goes on to offer what he believes is evidence in support of his claim that Dubay lied and deceived others by responding to Dubay’s item #45. That “evidence” is the fact, that only took Finck “30 seconds” to discover, is that “Quantas Airways has a direct flight from Perth, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa that is 11 hours and 30 minutes. You’ll find that South African Airlines has a direct flight that is 11 hours 30 minutes.” Well, if Finck would have spent more than 30 seconds investigating the subject, he perhaps might have discovered the actual truth of the matter.
Perhaps if Finck would have spent just a little more time examining this issue, like I did, he may have discovered those flights quite likely exist only on websites and not in reality.
Airplane Routes Exposed.
Did Finck actually book a flight on those two airlines that say they have these flights? Can one actually take those flights, or are they merely listed to make people believe they can fly around the spherical Earth on a direct flight? Why would an airline, if they could actually fly directly between those two cities in 11 hours and 30 minutes, have the option of flying between the two cities on a flight that takes twice as long, consumes twice as much fuel and, quite likely, is more expensive? Why in the spherical spinning world would a passenger choose the more expensive longer flight, 10 hours longer, over the less expensive flight of shorter duration?
Does that make any business sense to you, for the airline or the passengers?
Did Finck take the time to find out if anyone else has actually taken those flights? With all the current attention given to the flat – globe Earth debate taking place, quite likely, if anyone has indeed taken those flights, one of the passengers or crew would have posted some information by now on the internet as to their validity? How does he know those flights are, in reality, actual flights? The answer is, of course, he did not research the matter fully and therefore does not know for a certainty that those flights actually take place. To use Finck’s words, “Do those listed flights actually exist? Probably not.”
In my view, that is pretty unstable grounds upon which to call someone a liar and a deceiver, but then again, Finck is quick to condemn anyone who disagrees with him.
One may also notice, rather than suggest that others take a look at Dubay’s “200 Proofs” or even Carpenter’s “100 Proofs” and decide for themselves the merits or demerits of those proofs, the listener is simply expected to take Finck’s word that the entire subject is “quackery” and anyone who entertains the idea we live on a flat stationary Earth is a “quack” and an “idiot.” Finck has spoken and there is nothing else to know about the subject.
Letting the leader think for the members is a characteristic of a cult following.