Flat Earth Bible Study: Heaven Above The Earth
I thought I would bring a Bible study in the discussion of the flat earth. This topic would be the words “heaven and earth”. If we examine some of the verses that have the words “heaven” and “earth” we will see how this relates to the flat earth.
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Deu 4:39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
(Jos 2:11) And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
Here, we are plainly told that earth is beneath heaven. This has great importance in knowing the shape of the earth that we are living on.
If earth is a globe, as we are told, picture this: a globe earth and a section above it with heaven. You can draw this as an area either as big as earth or larger somewhere above. Now, what is wrong with this. Well, to some people heaven is above, but to the other half of the people, heaven is below – IF we live on a sphere.
If you live in Canada, for example, and you see heaven above somewhere; you point up. Now, the people in New Zealand, if they point up, it would be in the opposite direction. So, that could not be heaven. To point to the section of the sky that the Canadians do, they would have to point BELOW, indicating through the earth to to the sky in their direction. This would not be above – as the Bible says.
If Heaven was only above one section of the earth, then even that section would not be under Heaven all the time; since ‘we are told’ that the earth spins, that means that half the day Heaven would be beneath you.
Here are some more verses:
(1Ki 8:23) And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:
(Jer 31:37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
(Joh 3:31) He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Now, a person like Kent Hovind would say, and did say in his flat earth video discussions that, “This is metaphor.” This is his blanket statement to any Bible verse that us flat eathers woud use. Read these verses carefully – do they sound like a metaphor?
Again, Kent has done good work in debunking evolutionists, but when he talks on the flat earth he is wrong. Picture this, someone who is not a Christian but is open to what they say, comes to someone who is a Christian but does not believe in the flat earth. Now, if he went to hear a sermon for the first time and it happened to be on debunking the flat earth, they would hear something like Hovind said in his video.
When this person hears: “Well this is a metaphor,” or “That is a metaphor.” and it doesn’t sound a like a metaphor to this person who is seeking the truth, what will he think? He’ll think, “Maybe the whole Bible is a metaphor or talking in symbolic language. If I need someone to “interpret” the Bible for me, I’ll leave it here in the pew and go my own way!”
What I’m saying is, that by wrong preaching, it turns people away from Christ and from becoming a Christian.
No matter what the intentions is of Kent and Company, they turn people away from the Gospel. But, thanks be Yahweh, God, that he knows the heart of man and will lead them to the truth – if they are really seeking it.
Back to heaven above the earth. For the sake of argument, say heaven is the size of the earth. You have the solar system we are told we live in. So, where would you place heaven that it would be above the earth? Would it be above the plane of the solar system? Would it be off the sheet of paper? If it was off the sheet of paper, would be be 100 miles from you? Would it be in the next country, north-east of your in the town of Branson, Missouri? So, how would this be above the people on the earth? After all if the universe is billions of light years in diameter, you could easily have Heaven 1,000 miles away from you. But even this would be small in comparison to where Heaven could be in relation to the earth.
You have millions of Christians who believe in the Universe but not in evolution and that it got started 6,000 years ago, like Hovind and Company. Then you have Christians who believe it took 13 billions years for us to get here but we were created by God somewhere along the way. What I’m saying is, no matter what these Christians believe in, they all have a problem of where to put Heaven. Of course, you have those who say that all these verse are NOT to be believed literally, so they create an easy cop out to escape dealing with the Bible verses.
In a Universe that is billions of light years in diameter (or whatever shape), no matter where you put Heaven, it will not be above all the people on earth – simply because you can’t do that on a globe. You can get Heaven above a part of the population but not the rest. Now, if you put Heaven somewhere so far away, let me ask you this, what is above? Yes, what is above? What is below? There is no up down, north or south in a Copernican Universe that is like the model we are given – even heliocentric believers will tell you this. And if you are a heliocentric believer, you run into a problem with your Bible. So, when you are in a fix and you can’t get out of it, you just say these Bible verses are not to be believed literally. Then, people who are not firm in their beliefs will view the Bible as something you cannot really read, understand and rely on. Thus, those who hate Christ will have achieved their goal – driving people away from the God of the Bible.
If you are a Christian and believe in the Copernican Universe, and you put heaven ALL around earth, in all directions so as to completely cover it, you run into problems. Heaven would not be just above but below, too. It would also be on all sides. The word “above and below” would lose all meaning. And, where would heaven be in relation to the the earth? Can you really say it was below, when, if you travel a bit further you would be in Heaven again? No, a believe in the Copernican model of the Universe would make the Bible have no sense – at least in these verse.
As a side note, if there was a Universe as we are told and man went into space, he would COMPLETELY lose all sense of direction. We wouldn’t know where to go. I would compare this to being in a “white out”. If you don’t know what a white out is or never experienced it, let me explain. A “white out” is in a blinding snow storm where there is snow on the ground, and snow falling so think that you can’t see other object or colors except white. When you try to walk you have no idea where you are; your sense of direction is completely gone. Skiers on mountains during a snow storm will tell you this. You can even be in your town and experience this. Imagine being out in space, this is how it would be. So, all this nonsense of space exploration and visitation from Aliens from other planets is just a lie.
Yahweh, God gave us a plane where there is an “up” and “down”. And everything is in relation to that. He showed us, by these verses, that Heaven is higher than earth, His ways are higher than our ways, His throne is ABOVE THE EARTH. And, you can’t have God’s throne in a Copernican Universe and have it make any sense.
When we look at these verses as literal – which is what they are – the earth has to be flat. The earth can’t be anything else in light of these scriptures. This also means that Heaven is flat, too. Picture a floor that is called Heaven, and below that is another floor that is earth. The floors of both places have to be level and they have to be parallel to each other.
Christians who believe in a Universe that is taught us in school, would have to believe in a Heaven that it speeding and turning through space just as fast as the earth is suppose to be; Heaven would have to mirror all the gyrations that earth goes through. When you think of it, it’s all nonsense. No, the earth is flat and stationary and Heaven above is flat and stationary.
In short you cannot mix Scripture with lies. If you combined the two, you’ll get either bad science or you’d have to distort the meaning of various verses of the Bible to suit the lie. Unfortunately, this is what heliocentric Christians do; they are left with a belief in junk-science and distorted Scripture.
Some Bible References:
Gen_1:20; Gen_27:39; Exo_20:4; Deu_4:39; Deu_5:8; Jos_2:11; 1Ki_8:23; 1Ch_29:11; Psa_103:11; Psa_148:13; Jer_31:37; Joh_3:31; Act_2:19; Jas_5:12;